Horford for Rondo if Dwight Howard wants to play at home

[Monkhouse]

Do we really think we could get Horford AND Teague for Rondo?

This was my initial reaction also.  We might be able to do Rondo + Lee or Rondo + Terry or something but Rondo + 2nd, I don't see it.

I do like the idea in its general sense and believe that it has promise for both teams.

In terms of creating a monster team in Atl, Rondo, Smith, and Howard are all good but flawed (health and otherwise).  I don't think this team beats Miami for example and I can see many scenarios where this team has "issues" and underachieves.

If Rondo + (Something Reasonable) can get us Horford and Teague, I say do it.

Only Rondo is coming off a injury, and Howard is now finally getting back to his defensive 20/10 self. Josh Smith would only further help grab boards, while Howard just throws everything down alley oop...

Not to mention all of the 3 players are very physical players down the paint, which the Heat would love to avoid.

[Moranis]

There is no chance that Atlanta would trade Horford and Teague for Rondo and a 2nd.  None at all.  I mean seriously which team would you rather have

Rondo, Williams, Smith, Gigantic ?, Howard

or

Teague, Williams, Smith, Horford, Howard

Clear no brainer, you take the second team and don't give it a second thought.  I don't even know if Atlanta would trade Horford straight up for Rondo, never the less add in Teague on top of it.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Rondo, Dwight, and Smith ... worst FT-shooting trio in NBA history? 

Teague seems like a pretty good young player ... he certainly gave the Cs some problems this season. Horford would be huge for us alongside KG.

I'd make this trade.

[CoachBo]

And I'd start fouling that Hawks team at the tip.

[TripleOT]

There is no chance that Atlanta would trade Horford and Teague for Rondo and a 2nd.  None at all.  I mean seriously which team would you rather have

Rondo, Williams, Smith, Gigantic ?, Howard

or

Teague, Williams, Smith, Horford, Howard

Clear no brainer, you take the second team and don't give it a second thought.  I don't even know if Atlanta would trade Horford straight up for Rondo, never the less add in Teague on top of it.

My proposed trade has ATL agreeing to give up Horford for Rondo, Smith and D-Ho have already colluded that they want to play together in Atlanta.  The reason the Hawks do it is it will get them Howard. 

Regarding the FT shooting - Smith is a career 65% and RR 62%. Bad, but not horrendous like D Ho, who shot 49%.  He shot 67% as a rookie, and around 59% every year until going under 50% the past two seasons.  The rest of the roster would be loaded up with shooters to complement their Big 3.   

[connor]

There is no chance that Atlanta would trade Horford and Teague for Rondo and a 2nd.  None at all.  I mean seriously which team would you rather have

Rondo, Williams, Smith, Gigantic ?, Howard

or

Teague, Williams, Smith, Horford, Howard

Clear no brainer, you take the second team and don't give it a second thought.  I don't even know if Atlanta would trade Horford straight up for Rondo, never the less add in Teague on top of it.

I think the idea behind Atlanta being willing to give up Teague and Smith is that Smith's resigning is contingent on bringing in his best friend Rondo or that Smith is willing to resign at below his market value because he wants to play with Rondo.

Rondo brings in extra value given his relationship with Smith and in making the team significantly more appealing to FA's by having 2 "stars" (Smith hasn't been an all-star yet).

Atlanta doesn't have the leverage here since Smith could walk as a free agent and they are really only getting anything back for him if Smith is interested in a sign and trade or if they convince him to come back. The Celtics on the other hand have all the leverage since they have no real pressing need to move Rondo given his contract and the state of our team.

[jambr380]

There is no chance that Atlanta would trade Horford and Teague for Rondo and a 2nd.  None at all.  I mean seriously which team would you rather have

Rondo, Williams, Smith, Gigantic ?, Howard

or

Teague, Williams, Smith, Horford, Howard

Clear no brainer, you take the second team and don't give it a second thought.  I don't even know if Atlanta would trade Horford straight up for Rondo, never the less add in Teague on top of it.

I think the idea behind Atlanta being willing to give up Teague and Smith is that Smith's resigning is contingent on bringing in his best friend Rondo or that Smith is willing to resign at below his market value because he wants to play with Rondo.

Rondo brings in extra value given his relationship with Smith and in making the team significantly more appealing to FA's by having 2 "stars" (Smith hasn't been an all-star yet).

Atlanta doesn't have the leverage here since Smith could walk as a free agent and they are really only getting anything back for him if Smith is interested in a sign and trade or if they convince him to come back. The Celtics on the other hand have all the leverage since they have no real pressing need to move Rondo given his contract and the state of our team.

Yeah, the Hawks really need to view this as getting equal value for a Smith trade [essentially trading Smith for Smith since he is a gonner without Rondo coming to town]. I agree that we might have to throw in a Lee or a Terry in order to acquire Teague, but I think that would make sense for both teams [we get a pg, they get a good defensive guard or a playoff performer].

[LooseCannon]

Rondo, Dwight, and Smith ... worst FT-shooting trio in NBA history? 

The average of their FT% this season is 55.13% (so, not weighted by free throw attempts)

It could be worse.  Imagine if the Celtics had traded KG and PP for players that include Deandre Jordan and Josh Smith.  Rondo/Jordan/Smith would average 50.9%

[LooseCannon]

Atlanta doesn't have the leverage here since Smith could walk as a free agent and they are really only getting anything back for him if Smith is interested in a sign and trade or if they convince him to come back. The Celtics on the other hand have all the leverage since they have no real pressing need to move Rondo given his contract and the state of our team.

Smith can only sign as a free agent with a team that has cap space.  The Celtics need to send out salary if they do a sign-and-trade and you have to give the Hawks enough value so that are willing to take back those filler contracts.  What they ask for depends on if they feel like doing a tank job.  If I were the Hawks, I would have a hard time imagining taking back a package that does not include the Celtics 2014 first-round pick.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

My Goodness, the way folks are talking about Rondo in this thread you`d think he`s just some run of the mill 12 point 6 assist per game point guard. Sure we`d all trade a random run of the mill point guard for a big of Horford`s class without skipping a beat, but this is  Rajon Freaking Rondo we are talking about! Whatever issues he might have, you don`t:1. Let a guy with the capacity to hit highs like him go, not for the world, no matter his position 2. Let a guy that transcendent go to a team where he might help somebody else to your championshipsIts like the early 90s Chicago Bulls trading  Michael Jordan for Patrick Ewing on acount of the fact that good shooting guards are a dime a dozen, But good centers are rare.

[krook]

My Goodness, the way folks are talking about Rondo in this thread you`d think he`s just some run of the mill 12 point 6 assist per game point guard. Sure we`d all trade a random run of the mill point guard for a big of Horford`s class without skipping a beat, but this is  Rajon Freaking Rondo we are talking about! Whatever issues he might have, you don`t:1. Let a guy with the capacity to hit highs like him go, not for the world, no matter his position 2. Let a guy that transcendent go to a team where he might help somebody else to your championshipsIts like the early 90s Chicago Bulls trading  Michael Jordan for Patrick Ewing on acount of the fact that good shooting guards are a dime a dozen, But good centers are rare.

agree

[Juneauz]

My Goodness, the way folks are talking about Rondo in this thread you`d think he`s just some run of the mill 12 point 6 assist per game point guard. Sure we`d all trade a random run of the mill point guard for a big of Horford`s class without skipping a beat, but this is  Rajon Freaking Rondo we are talking about! Whatever issues he might have, you don`t:1. Let a guy with the capacity to hit highs like him go, not for the world, no matter his position 2. Let a guy that transcendent go to a team where he might help somebody else to your championshipsIts like the early 90s Chicago Bulls trading  Michael Jordan for Patrick Ewing on acount of the fact that good shooting guards are a dime a dozen, But good centers are rare.

Totally agree.
That's why I stopped reading comments after the first page. The op's question is legit, but it isn't worth it to debate with people who don't have the slightest respect for what Rondo did for this team, and for the amazing player he is.

[krook]

spieights and irving for rondo, would you do it?

or rondo for marc gasol and z-bo hahahaha
or rondo for dwight and kobe

[Moranis]

There is no chance that Atlanta would trade Horford and Teague for Rondo and a 2nd.  None at all.  I mean seriously which team would you rather have

Rondo, Williams, Smith, Gigantic ?, Howard

or

Teague, Williams, Smith, Horford, Howard

Clear no brainer, you take the second team and don't give it a second thought.  I don't even know if Atlanta would trade Horford straight up for Rondo, never the less add in Teague on top of it.

I think the idea behind Atlanta being willing to give up Teague and Smith is that Smith's resigning is contingent on bringing in his best friend Rondo or that Smith is willing to resign at below his market value because he wants to play with Rondo.

Rondo brings in extra value given his relationship with Smith and in making the team significantly more appealing to FA's by having 2 "stars" (Smith hasn't been an all-star yet).

Atlanta doesn't have the leverage here since Smith could walk as a free agent and they are really only getting anything back for him if Smith is interested in a sign and trade or if they convince him to come back. The Celtics on the other hand have all the leverage since they have no real pressing need to move Rondo given his contract and the state of our team.

Atlanta can re-sign Smith if they want.  They haven't wanted to pay him a full max contract, but they could easily re-sign him and Smith would go back there for a full max.  Smith isn't taking a discount just to play with Rondo.  He is going to sign for whomever shows him the money.

[connor]

There is no chance that Atlanta would trade Horford and Teague for Rondo and a 2nd.  None at all.  I mean seriously which team would you rather have

Rondo, Williams, Smith, Gigantic ?, Howard

or

Teague, Williams, Smith, Horford, Howard

Clear no brainer, you take the second team and don't give it a second thought.  I don't even know if Atlanta would trade Horford straight up for Rondo, never the less add in Teague on top of it.

I think the idea behind Atlanta being willing to give up Teague and Smith is that Smith's resigning is contingent on bringing in his best friend Rondo or that Smith is willing to resign at below his market value because he wants to play with Rondo.

Rondo brings in extra value given his relationship with Smith and in making the team significantly more appealing to FA's by having 2 "stars" (Smith hasn't been an all-star yet).

Atlanta doesn't have the leverage here since Smith could walk as a free agent and they are really only getting anything back for him if Smith is interested in a sign and trade or if they convince him to come back. The Celtics on the other hand have all the leverage since they have no real pressing need to move Rondo given his contract and the state of our team.

Atlanta can re-sign Smith if they want.  They haven't wanted to pay him a full max contract, but they could easily re-sign him and Smith would go back there for a full max.  Smith isn't taking a discount just to play with Rondo.  He is going to sign for whomever shows him the money.

Thats exactly my point. Atlanta could resign him if they want to give him a full max contract, but obviously they don't or they wouldn't be shopping him so hard.

I don't think they want to bring Smith back at the max, but if he were willing to take a discount to play with Rondo then they are 2/3 of the way to their own big 3.

I think its entirely possible Smith would take a pay cut to play with Rondo and vice versa. No contending team is going to want to hand over max money to Josh Smith so he can either go elsewhere for max money or he can resign a still very lucrative contract but below market value and play with Rondo.

I think Atlanta only does the deal if Smith resigns at lower than the max, but that doesn't seem too far fetched for me after seeing everyone take a pay cut to go to Miami.