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Magic or McHale & Parish
« on: May 10, 2013, 03:18:16 PM »

Offline Moranis

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This came up in another thread, but I thought it was an interesting hypothetical worthy of its own thread.  Magic Johnson said that had the Bulls won the coin flip and not the Lakers that he would have returned to school and come out the following year i.e. 1980.  Boston had the 1st and 13th picks in the 1980 draft.  It traded both of those picks to the Warriors for Robert Parish and the #3 pick.  The Warriors took Joe Barry Carroll at #1 and Rickey Brown at #13, while Boston ended up with Kevin McHale at #3. 

So let's say that the Bulls do end up with the #1 pick in 1979 and Magic does actually go back to school.  Everything else is the same.  If you are the Boston Celtics do you keep 1 and draft Magic or do you still make the trade for Parish and then draft McHale? 

Would you rather have Magic and Rickey Brown or Parish and McHale?

EDIT: For the record, I think I'd take Magic over McHale and Parish.  Magic is in that special room in the HOF (as is Bird), McHale and Parish are not.  I think you have to go with the truly special player over the 2 special, but not nearly as special, players.
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Re: Magic or McHale & Parish
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2013, 03:22:45 PM »

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Magic, Bird and Ricky Brown

Vs.

Bird, Mchale, Parish?


I would go with the former to ensure the Lakers suffer. Chances are they don't win any titles in the 80's and we still win at least 2 or 3.

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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2013, 03:27:49 PM »

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Hindsight, I keep the Celtics the way they were. 


Chances are, the Celtics would have won those two titles they lost to the Lakers who would not have had Magic to go with Kareem. 


And in GS, Magic likely never has a team as strong as the Lakers

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Magic, Bird and Ricky Brown

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Bird, Mchale, Parish?


I would go with the former to ensure the Lakers suffer. Chances are they don't win any titles in the 80's and we still win at least 2 or 3.
It is interesting to ponder, of course the Lakers could have added Cartwright or Moncrief in 79 (I mean they still would have had the #2 pick) and they still had Kareem, Nixon, Cooper, and Wilkes (plus they added Spencer Haywood for the 79-80 season).  Probably not the dominant team they were, but also probably not that far away from a title, especially if they still were to add Worthy with that awful trade Cleveland made (also still could have added Rambis and other rotation players in the draft, the Lakers really did a good job of drafting back then). 

EDIT: And to be clear, the Lakers wouldn't have had Magic, at least not initially in this situation.
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The big three for me not the big two and Ricky.

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Magic + Bird

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One question would be, would Golden State have given up a better package to select Magic?  Could we have ended up with even more than McHale and Parish?

In hindsight, I probably stick with our Big Three.  At the time, though, I think it would have been impossible to pass on Magic.


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One question would be, would Golden State have given up a better package to select Magic?  Could we have ended up with even more than McHale and Parish?
That's a good question.

In the moment and in hindsight I think you take Magic. Having the two best players in the league on the same team isn't something you can pass up on.

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One question would be, would Golden State have given up a better package to select Magic?  Could we have ended up with even more than McHale and Parish?

In hindsight, I probably stick with our Big Three.  At the time, though, I think it would have been impossible to pass on Magic.
I would imagine at a minimum Boston probably gets to keep #13, but I didn't want to overly complicate the hypothetical and Rickey Brown (nor no one drafted immediately after him) would have done much for any title contending teams any way.
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2013, 04:11:21 PM »

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On face value I'd still take Kevin and Robert.  The problem with these hypotheticals is what else happens.  The Celtics had Tiny at the time.  Obviously they would trade him if they draft Magic.  What do they get for him?  Maybe that and Magic is better then McHale and Parrish but you just can't know. 

With Tiny on the team I'd take the Bigs. Great bigs are harder  to come by (and back then they mattered a whole lot more) and your doing two for one. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2013, 04:16:33 PM »

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This came up in another thread, but I thought it was an interesting hypothetical worthy of its own thread.  Magic Johnson said that had the Bulls won the coin flip and not the Lakers that he would have returned to school and come out the following year i.e. 1980.  Boston had the 1st and 13th picks in the 1980 draft.  It traded both of those picks to the Warriors for Robert Parish and the #3 pick.  The Warriors took Joe Barry Carroll at #1 and Rickey Brown at #13, while Boston ended up with Kevin McHale at #3. 

So let's say that the Bulls do end up with the #1 pick in 1979 and Magic does actually go back to school.  Everything else is the same.  If you are the Boston Celtics do you keep 1 and draft Magic or do you still make the trade for Parish and then draft McHale? 

Would you rather have Magic and Rickey Brown or Parish and McHale?

What an interesting thing to ponder.

If Magic doesn't end up on the Lakers I think the Bird/McHale/Parish teams would have won at least five rings.

On the other hand, I think the Celtics would certainly have held onto the pick and taken Magic if they had the chance.

On balance I think the game would have suffered. That Magic/Bird rivalry really saved pro basketball and made it one of the national games. (Remember that before them, the finals were on tape delay and pre-empted!).

Not sure that Bird and Magic would have clicked either. They were both super-competitive and very young, and had a fair amount of animosity toward each other.

Who knows, maybe their egos get the best of them and the whole thing blows up, and one demands a trade. Or at the least they don't play as well with each other as one could imagine.

Of course if that had happened the whole thing would have been 100% Magic's fault.

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Magic, Bird and Ricky Brown

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Bird, Mchale, Parish?


I would go with the former to ensure the Lakers suffer. Chances are they don't win any titles in the 80's and we still win at least 2 or 3.

I agree, we still end up with at least as many titles and the Lakers don't come near five. Parish and McHale were obviously great for Boston, but imagine Magic with Bird...it would have been even better than Lebron and Durant.

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I mentioned this in the other thread, but you've gotta go with Magic + Bird.  It's hard to know how other franchises would shake out, but the only actual 80s teams with any real chance of ousting us would've been the Sixers in the early years and Pistons towards the end.  They might've won 7-8 championships given any kind of supporting cast.

Since Parish was on the outs in GS anyway it's possible we could've picked him up regardless.  Probably never would've landed McHale, though.

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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2013, 04:41:33 PM »

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I would take Magic without hesitation.  Like someone said, you take the player who is in the special room in the Hall of Fame.  Bird and Magic would have been amazing together.  Just add a defensive minded center and a couple good shooting guards.  I think it would have been beautiful and amazing basketball.

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What an interesting scenario.

Would Bird and Magic have pushed each other to compete at the level they did if they had been teammates instead of rivals?
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