Lee picks for Vucevic and Moore

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

I want E'twaun Moore back, and Vucevic rebounds. In my mind with all our guard depth and the rumors around Lee not being used in the playoffs, he's the most expendable. We could toss in our 2013 round 1 and 2014 round 2 picks to the mix to sweeten the deal. Rip into this idea as you see fit.   

[kozlodoev]

I want E'twaun Moore back, and Vucevic rebounds. In my mind with all our guard depth and the rumors around Lee not being used in the playoffs, he's the most expendable. We could toss in our 2013 round 1 and 2014 round 2 picks to the mix to sweeten the deal. Rip into this idea as you see fit.

Yeah, not going to happen. Why would Orlando trade a cheaper Lee clone and someone they groom to be their starting center for someone who they got rid of?

[Monkhouse]

I want E'twaun Moore back, and Vucevic rebounds. In my mind with all our guard depth and the rumors around Lee not being used in the playoffs, he's the most expendable. We could toss in our 2013 round 1 and 2014 round 2 picks to the mix to sweeten the deal. Rip into this idea as you see fit.

No not going to happen, why would they want Lee back? There's a reason they got rid of him, and based on this years performance, the chances of him ever being sought after is very low.

[Who]

Vucevic is really overvalued around the league right now.

Orlando can get much much more for him than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Orlando could get a near All-Star caliber for Vucevic straight up.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Yeah, Lee likely won't be taken, but we could use Moore back in our rotation, with his back up call handling and knowledge of our system.

[clover]

Vucevic is really overvalued around the league right now.

Orlando can get much much more for him than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Orlando could get a near All-Star caliber for Vucevic straight up.

A 7-footer who went 13-12 as a 22-year-old.  How is he overvalued?

[LooseCannon]

Vucevic is really overvalued around the league right now.

Orlando can get much much more for him than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Orlando could get a near All-Star caliber for Vucevic straight up.

A 7-footer who went 13-12 as a 22-year-old.  How is he overvalued?

He's probably over-rated by people who focus on him averaging a double-double and don't mention that it sounds like he offers the combination of rebounding and defense given by Al Jefferson along with an offense that includes more mid-range jumpers. 

[kozlodoev]

Vucevic is really overvalued around the league right now.

Orlando can get much much more for him than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Orlando could get a near All-Star caliber for Vucevic straight up.

A 7-footer who went 13-12 as a 22-year-old.  How is he overvalued?

Right, and so did Andris Biedrins.

He may (or may not) turn out to be a nice player, but he's no Al Jefferson (16/12 in about the same mpg at age 22, by the way) -- in the sense that he's not a surefire thing for which you'd be justified to trade allstar-type talent.

[guava_wrench]

Vucevic is really overvalued around the league right now.

Orlando can get much much more for him than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Orlando could get a near All-Star caliber for Vucevic straight up.

A 7-footer who went 13-12 as a 22-year-old.  How is he overvalued?

Right, and so did Andris Biedrins.

He may (or may not) turn out to be a nice player, but he's no Al Jefferson (16/12 in about the same mpg at age 22, by the way) -- in the sense that he's not a surefire thing for which you'd be justified to trade allstar-type talent.

There were 2 players that came to mind for me based on his stats. One is Biedrins. The other is Lee. Clearly, Biedrins was best suited for fantasy basketball.

[clover]

Vucevic is really overvalued around the league right now.

Orlando can get much much more for him than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Orlando could get a near All-Star caliber for Vucevic straight up.

A 7-footer who went 13-12 as a 22-year-old.  How is he overvalued?

He's probably over-rated by people who focus on him averaging a double-double and don't mention that it sounds like he offers the combination of rebounding and defense given by Al Jefferson along with an offense that includes more mid-range jumpers.

There's a lot of room between Lee and AlJeff value, and also Vucevic is of.course a lot cheaper to pay than is Al.

Beidrins was a different style, slighter player than Vucevic and he still hasn't hit Vucevic's numbers from this year.  A lot of teams overlooked him and it makes sense for them to increase their estimation of him.

[Who]

Vucevic is really overvalued around the league right now.

Orlando can get much much more for him than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Orlando could get a near All-Star caliber for Vucevic straight up.

A 7-footer who went 13-12 as a 22-year-old.  How is he overvalued?

Little defensive presence. One of the weakest defenders amongst starting centers in the league last year. Skilled size with jump-shooting capability but only role player level offense due to limited shot-creation abilities. A middle of the pack offensive player. Strong rebounder which is his main value right now.

On most teams, Vucevic would only be a 20 minute a night player due to his limitations defensively and inability to make up for it offensively.

However, Vucevic was lucky ended up one of the worst teams in the league down in Orlando so he got to play 30-35 minutes a night and pad his stats while his team gets it's butt kicked night after night. Stat padder. 

[kozlodoev]

However, Vucevic was lucky ended up one of the worst teams in the league down in Orlando so he got to play 30-35 minutes a night and pad his stats while his team gets it's butt kicked night after night. Stat padder.

The fact that Glen Davis got injured helped, too. There was virtually no competition for minutes in that front court.

[Eddie20]

Vucevic is really overvalued around the league right now.

Orlando can get much much more for him than that.

I wouldn't be surprised if Orlando could get a near All-Star caliber for Vucevic straight up.

A 7-footer who went 13-12 as a 22-year-old.  How is he overvalued?

Little defensive presence. One of the weakest defenders amongst starting centers in the league last year. Skilled size with jump-shooting capability but only role player level offense due to limited shot-creation abilities. A middle of the pack offensive player. Strong rebounder which is his main value right now.

On most teams, Vucevic would only be a 20 minute a night player due to his limitations defensively and inability to make up for it offensively.

However, Vucevic was lucky ended up one of the worst teams in the league down in Orlando so he got to play 30-35 minutes a night and pad his stats while his team gets it's butt kicked night after night. Stat padder.

That's not an accurate statement. Vucevic actually had his best games against Miami in two closely contested games. In a 2 pt loss, he had 21 pts and 29 reb. And in a 1 pt loss he had 25 pts and 21 reb. In fact, if you look at his game log you'll find that he had better numbers in wins/close games than he did in blowout losses.

For example he scored 20 or more pts 9 times. The results were as follows:

2 pt loss
2 pt loss
9 pt loss
11 pt loss
1 pt loss
13 pt loss
6 pt loss
6 pt loss
10 pt win
12 pt loss

He had over 15 or more rebounds 18 times. The results were as follows:

8 pt win
6 pt loss
14 pt win
4 pt loss
2 pt loss
8 pt loss
3 pt win
11 pt win
2 pt loss
6 pt win
14 pt win
1 pt loss
8 pt win
6 pt loss
9 pt loss
1 pt loss
6 pt loss
10 pt win


So in his most productive games the biggest win margin was 14, while the biggest loss margin was 13. Neither is insurmountable and coaches play starters/rotation players to almost the end of the game with that lead or deficit.

[jambr380]

I agree, this would be the wrong time to go after a player like Vucevic...unless the Magic also understand his liabilities. Heck, Jordan Crawford averaged 15ppg in 11-13 and was averaging over 13ppg this year before he was traded to us. Obviously, Washington didn't think much of his numbers and dumped him for a 3rd string center.

While I kind of like Vucevic and what he brings to the table is obviously more than what Crawford brings, he is currently a product of playing on a horrible team [this could change].

[Fafnir]

Since when is having your team get outscored by 5.5 points per game for your 20 point games not putting up stats while getting your but kicked?

His team actually had a positive scoring margin for the 15+ rebound games +1.6

Orlando overall had a -7.0 scoring margin. That margin got worse as the season went on and Vuvevic got more playing time.

Just supports what Who is saing, he brings strong rebounding that's his value at the moment.