Would You Trade Bradley to Get Shabazz?

[chambers]

yeah I probably do it.
It would be a shame to deprive Bradley of one more season to prove himself now that he's on the road to being 100% healthy. If Bradley gets that jumpshot and his finishing at the rim to a consistent level then his value skyrockets. They're not the hardest things to correct because his form is good and his cutting and ability to get to the rim are intangibles that you just can't teach.

Here's the only problem.
He could be worth a lot more after next season, and the NBA draft next season is going to be better- with players that are better than Shabazz available. We may get more return on the dollar next year.
Counter argument to that is that no teams are going to want to trade out of next years top 10.
Tough call but yeah I'd do it.

[Fan from VT]

Forget where, but i read an article that scared me off of shabaz. Advanced stats perspective, he doesnt translate well. Shockingly old (which matters a lot for peojecting peak performabxe), with underwhelming priduction especially atbatgletic markers. Dint know.

[PhoSita]

Forget where, but i read an article that scared me off of shabaz. Advanced stats perspective, he doesnt translate well. Shockingly old (which matters a lot for peojecting peak performabxe), with underwhelming priduction especially atbatgletic markers. Dint know.

I don't think the advanced stat guys have really totally adapted their stats to evaluating players.

Year after year I see articles about how the smart money is on picking guys who were exceptionally productive in college and ignoring their athleticism, or how highly touted they were coming out of high school, or what talent scouts who don't use the stats think. 

Usually there are a few players who were undervalued by the traditional types who are touted as proof that the stats guys were right.  Then there are a few players who weren't considered highly by the stats guys who end up being really good because of that physical talent.

[ScottHow]

I'd do it. I'm not nearly as high on Bradley as some fans are. I think he's a great asset to a contender, not a rebuilding situation like us. Plus I would like scoring next to Rondo

[badshar]

Nah, I have a feeling he will be just another Monta Ellis type player who would care about his stats and money more than winning. I'd much rather have a player with heart than a player who only cares about his own game.

[The Rondo Show]

Nah, I have a feeling he will be just another Monta Ellis type player who would care about his stats and money more than winning. I'd much rather have a player with heart than a player who only cares about his own game.

What? How do you figure?

[Evantime34]

I would not, mostly because I'm a huge Bradley guy but also because I'm not a big Shabazz fan. Here are some quotes from Draft Express Scouting Report:

Standing 6-6, Muhammad is perhaps an inch undersized for the small forward position his skill-set appears best suited for.

Muhammad is a good, but not great athlete, relying more on instincts and superior strength than fantastic quickness or explosiveness, which is a bit more concerning when projecting to the NBA than his height.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2SqblCsQL
http://www.draftexpress.com

I think he is an average athlete who has been stronger and longer than the people that were guarding him. Watch his video on draft express but skip to the weaknesses section. His inability to create offense on his own (the majority of his offense comes from spot up jumpers) in the half court at a college level was problematic, it will be even worse in the league. His red flag were lack of defensive effort and not being a team player. He might come in the league and score a lot of points for a bad team while shooting a low percentage but he won't be the type of guy who wins games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ISAOSMA2kP8

[Evantime34]

Nah, I have a feeling he will be just another Monta Ellis type player who would care about his stats and money more than winning. I'd much rather have a player with heart than a player who only cares about his own game.

What? How do you figure?

During the year UCLA hit a game winning shot, he didn't celebrate but pouted because he didn't get the ball to end the game. He is the definition of a get mine player.

[badshar]

Nah, I have a feeling he will be just another Monta Ellis type player who would care about his stats and money more than winning. I'd much rather have a player with heart than a player who only cares about his own game.

What? How do you figure?

It is very rare to find players these days that have as much heart as the players on this team (KG, Pierce, Rondo, Bradley and possibly Terry and Green). He also has a lot of weaknesses that can hurt the team.

[badshar]

Nah, I have a feeling he will be just another Monta Ellis type player who would care about his stats and money more than winning. I'd much rather have a player with heart than a player who only cares about his own game.

What? How do you figure?

During the year UCLA hit a game winning shot, he didn't celebrate but pouted because he didn't get the ball to end the game. He is the definition of a get mine player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqoIq2mKfc0

[CelticConcourse]

Nah, I have a feeling he will be just another Monta Ellis type player who would care about his stats and money more than winning. I'd much rather have a player with heart than a player who only cares about his own game.

As if Monta Ellis didn't care about winning?

[badshar]

Nah, I have a feeling he will be just another Monta Ellis type player who would care about his stats and money more than winning. I'd much rather have a player with heart than a player who only cares about his own game.

As if Monta Ellis didn't care about winning?

No, he doesn't care about winning.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/09/report-bucks-monta-ellis-larry-sanders-almost-came-to-blows-after-game-3/

[BleedGreen1989]

I would not, mostly because I'm a huge Bradley guy but also because I'm not a big Shabazz fan. Here are some quotes from Draft Express Scouting Report:

Standing 6-6, Muhammad is perhaps an inch undersized for the small forward position his skill-set appears best suited for.

Muhammad is a good, but not great athlete, relying more on instincts and superior strength than fantastic quickness or explosiveness, which is a bit more concerning when projecting to the NBA than his height.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2SqblCsQL
http://www.draftexpress.com

I think he is an average athlete who has been stronger and longer than the people that were guarding him. Watch his video on draft express but skip to the weaknesses section. His inability to create offense on his own (the majority of his offense comes from spot up jumpers) in the half court at a college level was problematic, it will be even worse in the league. His red flag were lack of defensive effort and not being a team player. He might come in the league and score a lot of points for a bad team while shooting a low percentage but he won't be the type of guy who wins games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ISAOSMA2kP8

Your quotes sound a lot like Paul Pierce lol similiar size and lack of athleticism but just a pure knack for scoring. His lack of assists worries me a little but I believe that can be fixed.

[Tr1boy]

I would not, mostly because I'm a huge Bradley guy but also because I'm not a big Shabazz fan. Here are some quotes from Draft Express Scouting Report:

Standing 6-6, Muhammad is perhaps an inch undersized for the small forward position his skill-set appears best suited for.

Muhammad is a good, but not great athlete, relying more on instincts and superior strength than fantastic quickness or explosiveness, which is a bit more concerning when projecting to the NBA than his height.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz2SqblCsQL
http://www.draftexpress.com

I think he is an average athlete who has been stronger and longer than the people that were guarding him. Watch his video on draft express but skip to the weaknesses section. His inability to create offense on his own (the majority of his offense comes from spot up jumpers) in the half court at a college level was problematic, it will be even worse in the league. His red flag were lack of defensive effort and not being a team player. He might come in the league and score a lot of points for a bad team while shooting a low percentage but he won't be the type of guy who wins games.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ISAOSMA2kP8

Your quotes sound a lot like Paul Pierce lol similiar size and lack of athleticism but just a pure knack for scoring. His lack of assists worries me a little but I believe that can be fixed.

good point about pierce comparison. But the difference is Pierce is a better shooter and willing passer. Shabazz is a ball hog, and will try to shoot out of his slump most of the time.

I would not go near muhammad, but somebody will. Should really stay in college another year and understand what it takes to win a title

[WeMadeIt17]

I think he has the tools to be very good in this league. I'd move up to get him. Some team may be looking to move back so you never know.