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Jimmy Butler
« on: May 07, 2013, 02:20:14 AM »

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This guy is a baller.
Hustle guy, plays great defense, he can shoot, smart player.

We should have drafted him in 2011

Instead we took Marshon Brooks (25), and then traded him for Jajuan Johnson (27), who is not even in the league right now. Jimmy Butler got drafted number 30.

DA missed out on this guy.
He could have been the perfect back up for Paul Pierce when Jeff Green was out due to his heart surgery.

And now that there is a chance that Paul is not coming back.

We could have had Jimmy as a back up 3/4 for Jeff Green.

Man oh man.

This kid is a baller.

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2013, 02:25:26 AM »

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...is the steal of the draft.

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2013, 02:30:52 AM »

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Chandler Parsons

...is the steal of the draft.

Agreed, at 38, thats definitely the steal of the 2011 draft.

But we could've had Butler at 25, instead all we got out of that year was JaJuan Johnson. Lol.

I guess its really hit or miss on draft nights.

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2013, 02:34:29 AM »

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Its a hit or miss league. I have no idea what Danny see's in guys like JJJ  and now im beginning to think he drafted a busts again in Melo.

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2013, 02:47:38 AM »

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Its a hit or miss league. I have no idea what Danny see's in guys like JJJ  and now im beginning to think he drafted a busts again in Melo.

To his credit, he did draft some gems. Most of which are not on the team anymore.
Tony Allen
Al Jefferson
Delonte West
Jeff Green Traded for RA and Big Baby
Avery Bradley
Jared Sullinger
E'twuan Moore (has been having a good year with the ORL)

But he drafted busts too.
Gabe Pruitt
JR Giddens
Orien Greene
Ryan Gomes
Lester Hudson

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 03:02:05 AM »

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Its a hit or miss league. I have no idea what Danny see's in guys like JJJ  and now im beginning to think he drafted a busts again in Melo.

To his credit, he did draft some gems. Most of which are not on the team anymore.
Tony Allen
Al Jefferson
Delonte West
Jeff Green Traded for RA and Big Baby
Avery Bradley
Jared Sullinger
E'twuan Moore (has been having a good year with the ORL)

But he drafted busts too.
Gabe Pruitt
JR Giddens
Orien Greene
Ryan Gomes
Lester Hudson

Rondo

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2013, 03:04:34 AM »

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Its a hit or miss league. I have no idea what Danny see's in guys like JJJ  and now im beginning to think he drafted a busts again in Melo.

To his credit, he did draft some gems. Most of which are not on the team anymore.
Tony Allen
Al Jefferson
Delonte West
Jeff Green Traded for RA and Big Baby
Avery Bradley
Jared Sullinger
E'twuan Moore (has been having a good year with the ORL)

But he drafted busts too.
Gabe Pruitt
JR Giddens
Orien Greene
Ryan Gomes
Lester Hudson

Rondo

Lol true, but Phoenix drafted him. no?

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2013, 03:59:48 AM »

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Chandler Parsons

...is the steal of the draft.

So as Isaiah Thomas I think...

I hated that JJJ trade. I think MarShon could have provided us with scoring off the bench. Jimmy Butler has red flags on his knees coming out, which is why he dropped otherwise he could have been a lottery pick.
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Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2013, 05:26:28 AM »

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Its a hit or miss league. I have no idea what Danny see's in guys like JJJ  and now im beginning to think he drafted a busts again in Melo.

To his credit, he did draft some gems. Most of which are not on the team anymore.
Tony Allen
Al Jefferson
Delonte West
Jeff Green Traded for RA and Big Baby
Avery Bradley
Jared Sullinger
E'twuan Moore (has been having a good year with the ORL)

But he drafted busts too.
Gabe Pruitt
JR Giddens
Orien Greene
Ryan Gomes
Lester Hudson

Rondo

Lol true, but Phoenix drafted him. no?
Not really. Phx "drafted" him, but they picked him for us with a deal already in place. They didn't want him, but you can't trade first round picks during the draft. You can only draft and trade after the pick is made.

The same does for JJJ.

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2013, 06:43:14 AM »

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Its a hit or miss league. I have no idea what Danny see's in guys like JJJ  and now im beginning to think he drafted a busts again in Melo.

To his credit, he did draft some gems. Most of which are not on the team anymore.
Tony Allen
Al Jefferson
Delonte West
Jeff Green Traded for RA and Big Baby
Avery Bradley
Jared Sullinger
E'twuan Moore (has been having a good year with the ORL)

But he drafted busts too.
Gabe Pruitt
JR Giddens
Orien Greene
Ryan Gomes
Lester Hudson

Rondo

  Perk as well. And how could anyone list Gomes a bust? 50th pick in the draft and he's still in the league 7 years later. What's the typical expectation for a #50 pick? All-star?

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2013, 06:44:12 AM »

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If you hit on half your draft picks your doing well.   Drafting is a gamble.   Look where Danny has been drafting it's not the lottery.

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But he drafted busts too.
Gabe Pruitt
JR Giddens
Orien Greene
Ryan Gomes
Lester Hudson

Ryan Gomes was not a bust, bopna.   He has a 10 PPG career average and a seven year NBA career.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ryan_gomes/

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2013, 06:51:12 AM »

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If you hit on half your draft picks your doing well.   Drafting is a gamble.   Look where Danny has been drafting it's not the lottery.

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But he drafted busts too.
Gabe Pruitt
JR Giddens
Orien Greene
Ryan Gomes
Lester Hudson

Ryan Gomes was not a bust, bopna.   He has a 10 PPG career average and a seven year NBA career.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ryan_gomes/

Yeah a 50th pick too.

He would have drafted Granger, I think?

Green.

There's just no way you could call him a bad drafter.

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2013, 07:25:53 AM »

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Yeah, Butler would have been a steal when instead Danny took a bust in 3J.

But how does Danny compare with his colleagues in drafting overall?  Just ballparking it, I'd say he's done relatively better drafting in the mid-to-late second round than in the first.  He's probably a top five second-round draft picker, no more than 10th in picking in the first, and maybe seven overall.

He seems to have peaked in his drafting--and here I'm again just ballparking it--what, years two through six, maybe?  With the exception of missing the importance of size and strength for the PF spot, which hurt him with Gody and 3J but is understandable considering his hits with Gomes, Powe and Baby--he really seems to miss on judging some players' mindset. 

The Patriots put a lot of stock in how important football is to a player, how intelligent he is, and how coachable he is. Giddens, Green, maybe Melo and to a degree 3J seem to be examples of where Danny has come up short on that.  Bring back the brain doctor?  There's got to be another way, but I get the sense that they either don't research and/or value that aspect of players enough.  Oh, and that he hires his own kid as a primary assistant in this area isn't a great sign either.

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2013, 08:32:11 AM »

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Not to toot my own horn, but I'm pretty sure if you look back in the forums to around the time Butler was being drafted I did call that he'd be a great player. I'll accept TPs as payment for that, thanks :-)

But seriously, Butler's success isn't all that surprising to anyone who followed him at Marquette. He could barely get off the bench his first year, but he worked harder than any kid I've seen go through the program to make himself better, and by his senior year he was the unquestioned leader of the team. Plus, he made some of the biggest shots I've ever seen a player make during his senior season. You can't help but root for a kid who wills himself to be better.

That being said, Chicago's going to be up against the luxury tax soon, if I recall correctly, and I don't know that they'll be able to keep him. If nothing else we should keep an eye on their situation so perhaps we can take some of their high-salaried players off their hands to get Butler down the road.

Re: Jimmy Butler
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2013, 08:45:33 AM »

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Its a hit or miss league. I have no idea what Danny see's in guys like JJJ  and now im beginning to think he drafted a busts again in Melo.

I get confused when people rip on Danny for the Fab Melo pick.

He was considered a long term project at the time, he was considered a long term project during the season and he is considered a log term project now.

If you don't want to wait on a project than say that, otherwise what were you thinkig Fab would be? If he wasn't a long term project than he would have been like Sully, contributing and playing in the real NBA. If you thought that's what Fab was gonna be this or next season than you were seriously misinformed