If we are moving on from Pierce, what can we realistically expect in return?

[BleedGreen1989]

I have been wondering this to myself since the season ended. In a way, this is one of my favorite times of year as it allows a fans imagination to run wild.

Although we are not getting "equal value" for Pierce, who could use him and what could we expect in return.

1. If CP3 returns to LA I see them as a very viable destination for Pierce, but what do they want to give up?

2. If Milwuakee wants to remain in playoff contention, they badly need somebody who can score outside of their 2 guards but again, what would they have to give up?

3. Can never count out Mark Cuban to make a splash and Dirk certainly needs another guy to go out swinging with but how bad would they want Pierce?

4. This is likely more of a dream scenario as simply a Pierce fan but how would San Antonio feel about getting Pierce in a sign and trade centered around Splitter?

Lots of "if" and "maybe" but what do you think are reasonable expectations in return for Pierce?

[Lucky17]

I think much of it depends on destinations that Pierce deems preferable. I don't think he'd want to go to Milwaukee.

Dallas and LA seem like doable destinations. Ainge would likely only take back expiring deals, assuming he can't trade Pierce into the other team's available cap space.

For the Clippers, something like Butler, Bledsoe, the partially-guaranteed contract of Grant Hill ($500K), and the fully non-guaranteed contract of Willie Green. Would the Clips give up Bledsoe? That's the sticking point.

[BleedGreen1989]

I think much of it depends on destinations that Pierce deems preferable. I don't think he'd want to go to Milwaukee.

Dallas and LA seem like doable destinations. Ainge would likely only take back expiring deals, assuming he can't trade Pierce into the other team's available cap space.

For the Clippers, something like Butler, Bledsoe, the partially-guaranteed contract of Grant Hill ($500K), and the fully non-guaranteed contract of Willie Green. Would the Clips give up Bledsoe? That's the sticking point.

Thats a good point Lucky and I don't see Danny doing Pierce dirty by sending him to Mill lol

I like Bledsoe as a sixth man type and simply as a player so I think I could live with that. LA has to trade Bledsoe sooner or later anyways if CP3 returns.

[AB_Celtic]

I think the general consensus is that the Clippers are the most likely destination for both Pierce and KG. Pierce would be at home, they'd be able to play together, and they'd be instant contenders.

It's all just a matter of what the Clippers would give us back. I doubt they're giving up CP3 or Blake (the other thread saying we're getting Blake is silly), but pretty much anything else would be fair game.

I could see...

Pierce, Garnett
for
Jordan, Bledsoe, Butler, Billups (S&T to make salaries match), pick(s)

Clippers:
PG: CP3
SG: W.Green
SF: Pierce
PF: Griffin
C: Garnett
6th: Crawford
= Instant contender

Celtics:
PG: Rondo
SG: Bradley
SF: Green
PF: Sullinger
C: Jordan
Bench: Butler, Billups, Bledsoe, Bass
= Young but deep team that won't really make it past the first round

[clover]

Starting by aiming high, what realistically could the LA teams get back in a S&T if their two respective FA stars said they wanted to go to team X?  Presuming team x wouldn't have the cap space to sign them as outright FA's, the LA teams would have significant leverage on such a deal.

[indeedproceed]

One important thing to keep in mind is that Pierce has value two ways; 1) he is still a viable top-7 or so (you could even argue top-4 or 5) SF, and 2) He is a valuable financial piece, because you can trade roughly 18.75 million in salary back to the Celtics, but you'll only take a 4 million dollar cap hit if you waive Pierce before 6/30.

Dallas doesn't has some ammo to offer for Pierce, and it would behoove them to acquire him, especially if they included Vince Carter in the deal. They could trade literally their entire roster, besides Dirk (Marion/Carter/Cunningham/James), and they could include the player selected with their #13 first round pick as well (they cannot trade the pick outright because they have other trade obligations on it, and only get to keep it this season through a top-20 protection).

So Dallas Trades: Marion (9.3), Carter (3.2), Jared Cunningham (1.2), Bernard James (.78), Jae Crowder (.78), #13 overall (roughly 1.6 million cap hold)= 16.8 million

Boston Trades: Paul Pierce ($15.3)

So then Dallas can waive pierce right after the draft (as long as its before 6/30), and they'll only have 32 million or so in actual salaries, with cap holds that I don't really understand. They should, however, be in a position to offer 2 near-max level contracts, ala Miami.

[Lucky17]

One important thing to keep in mind is that Pierce has value two ways; 1) he is still a viable top-7 or so (you could even argue top-4 or 5) SF, and 2) He is a valuable financial piece, because you can trade roughly 18.75 million in salary back to the Celtics, but you'll only take a 4 million dollar cap hit if you waive Pierce before 6/30.

Dallas doesn't has some ammo to offer for Pierce, and it would behoove them to acquire him, especially if they included Vince Carter in the deal. They could trade literally their entire roster, besides Dirk (Marion/Carter/Cunningham/James), and they could include the player selected with their #13 first round pick as well (they cannot trade the pick outright because they have other trade obligations on it, and only get to keep it this season through a top-20 protection).

So Dallas Trades: Marion (9.3), Carter (3.2), Jared Cunningham (1.2), Bernard James (.78), Jae Crowder (.78), #13 overall (roughly 1.6 million cap hold)= 16.8 million

Boston Trades: Paul Pierce ($15.3)

So then Dallas can waive pierce right after the draft (as long as its before 6/30), and they'll only have 32 million or so in actual salaries, with cap holds that I don't really understand. They should, however, be in a position to offer 2 near-max level contracts, ala Miami.

Problem is Marion's contract is an ETO, so he can't be traded on Draft Night.

Meaning, he can't be traded for Pierce until after the point at which Pierce's contract becomes fully guaranteed.

However, would Cubes want to use his available cap space to put Pierce and Garnett (and potentially JET) with Dirk for one last shot at a ring? That could be a possibility, although it might take some serious cap gymnastics.

[Who]

A late first round pick.

[indeedproceed]

One important thing to keep in mind is that Pierce has value two ways; 1) he is still a viable top-7 or so (you could even argue top-4 or 5) SF, and 2) He is a valuable financial piece, because you can trade roughly 18.75 million in salary back to the Celtics, but you'll only take a 4 million dollar cap hit if you waive Pierce before 6/30.

Dallas doesn't has some ammo to offer for Pierce, and it would behoove them to acquire him, especially if they included Vince Carter in the deal. They could trade literally their entire roster, besides Dirk (Marion/Carter/Cunningham/James), and they could include the player selected with their #13 first round pick as well (they cannot trade the pick outright because they have other trade obligations on it, and only get to keep it this season through a top-20 protection).

So Dallas Trades: Marion (9.3), Carter (3.2), Jared Cunningham (1.2), Bernard James (.78), Jae Crowder (.78), #13 overall (roughly 1.6 million cap hold)= 16.8 million

Boston Trades: Paul Pierce ($15.3)

So then Dallas can waive pierce right after the draft (as long as its before 6/30), and they'll only have 32 million or so in actual salaries, with cap holds that I don't really understand. They should, however, be in a position to offer 2 near-max level contracts, ala Miami.

Problem is Marion's contract is an ETO, so he can't be traded on Draft Night.

I knew that, but I assumed there was some magic they could do to guarantee he won't exercise it (much like Dwight's ETO situation). Its not like he's gonna walk away from near 10 million dollars at this stage in his life.

[Lucky17]

One important thing to keep in mind is that Pierce has value two ways; 1) he is still a viable top-7 or so (you could even argue top-4 or 5) SF, and 2) He is a valuable financial piece, because you can trade roughly 18.75 million in salary back to the Celtics, but you'll only take a 4 million dollar cap hit if you waive Pierce before 6/30.

Dallas doesn't has some ammo to offer for Pierce, and it would behoove them to acquire him, especially if they included Vince Carter in the deal. They could trade literally their entire roster, besides Dirk (Marion/Carter/Cunningham/James), and they could include the player selected with their #13 first round pick as well (they cannot trade the pick outright because they have other trade obligations on it, and only get to keep it this season through a top-20 protection).

So Dallas Trades: Marion (9.3), Carter (3.2), Jared Cunningham (1.2), Bernard James (.78), Jae Crowder (.78), #13 overall (roughly 1.6 million cap hold)= 16.8 million

Boston Trades: Paul Pierce ($15.3)

So then Dallas can waive pierce right after the draft (as long as its before 6/30), and they'll only have 32 million or so in actual salaries, with cap holds that I don't really understand. They should, however, be in a position to offer 2 near-max level contracts, ala Miami.

Problem is Marion's contract is an ETO, so he can't be traded on Draft Night.

I knew that, but I assumed there was some magic they could do to guarantee he won't exercise it (much like Dwight's ETO situation). Its not like he's gonna walk away from near 10 million dollars at this stage in his life.

True. Larry Coon says that an ETO could be mutually renegotiated between a team and player in order to make him eligible for a trade.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q57

Interestingly, there is no mechanism to notify the league that an option or ETO will not be exercised. Teams and players might want to do this in order to make the player tradable after the season ends but before July 1 (see question number 98), or because the player wants to be traded to a team which does not want the player if he might become a free agent. As described in question number 60, under these circumstances the team and player can mutually amend the contract to remove the option or ETO.

So, it could be possible. Marion wouldn't be happy about going to a rebuilding Celtic team, but I am sure Ainge could flip him, or maybe even buy him out so he could sign on with a contender (and still get paid).

[connor]

I really like the Warriors as a landing spot for Pierce. He gets to go back home to Southern Cali and the Warriors improve enough to make a serious run next year. They turned down an earlier deal of Pierce for Barnes and one of Jefferson and Biedrins, but I think after their current playoff run they might reconsider especially if we improved our offer. Something like:

Celtics get:
Barnes, Biedrins and Jefferson

Warriors get:
Pierce and Lee

With Pierce the Warriors would be a serious contender out West and the addition of Lee helps since Jack, Rush and Landry will all probably opt out this offseason for more lucrative deals. The Celtics on the other hand get the former 7th overall pick on a rookie deal and even more cap room for next offseason.

[CelticConcourse]

We won't! No! 

[celtsfan619]

I really like the Warriors as a landing spot for Pierce. He gets to go back home to Southern Cali and the Warriors improve enough to make a serious run next year. They turned down an earlier deal of Pierce for Barnes and one of Jefferson and Biedrins, but I think after their current playoff run they might reconsider especially if we improved our offer. Something like:

Celtics get:
Barnes, Biedrins and Jefferson

Warriors get:
Pierce and Lee

With Pierce the Warriors would be a serious contender out West and the addition of Lee helps since Jack, Rush and Landry will all probably opt out this offseason for more lucrative deals. The Celtics on the other hand get the former 7th overall pick on a rookie deal and even more cap room for next offseason.

The warriors are up north in oakland or san Francisco 

[hpantazo]

I love Harrison Barnes, and he would be good value for Pierce, but I'm not sure that it's the best move for us. Green has shown he can be the starting SF going forward. I would rather use Pierce and whatever other assets needed to try to get an impact big man or lottery picks in a future draft.

[CelticConcourse]

I love Harrison Barnes, and he would be good value for Pierce, but I'm not sure that it's the best move for us. Green has shown he can be the starting SF going forward. I would rather use Pierce and whatever other assets needed to try to get an impact big man or lottery picks in a future draft.

It wouldn't be a smart move for the Warriors either.