Lebron doesn't get Unanimous MVP Vote Because of Celtics writer, Gary Washburn

[Rondo2287]

Might be interesting to see if Lebron can win MVP nomination if he plays for New Orleans or Washington

He won it in Cleveland, so yeah he could.

On a team without Bosh and Wade, Lebron's "MVP" status should just rise. 

[CelticConcourse]

I like Washburn

[Roy H.]

Lebron had a historic year.  57% FG% / 41% 3PT% to go along with his other stats is ridiculous.

I understand the argument for Carmelo, and was surprised that he didn't pick up a handful of other votes.  However, Lebron just crushed the league like no player in recent memory.

[eugen]

Might be interesting to see if Lebron can win MVP nomination if he plays for New Orleans or Washington

He won it in Cleveland, so yeah he could.

Cleveland at this time, reached the finals Vs SAS. So, was not comparable with Washington or New Orleans now...

[Roy H.]

Might be interesting to see if Lebron can win MVP nomination if he plays for New Orleans or Washington

He won it in Cleveland, so yeah he could.

Cleveland at this time, reached the finals Vs SAS. So, was not comparable with Washington or New Orleans now...

Well, they reached the Finals because of Lebron.  If Washington or New Orleans had Lebron, they be winning 55+ games and would be contending, as well.

[eugen]

Might be interesting to see if Lebron can win MVP nomination if he plays for New Orleans or Washington

He won it in Cleveland, so yeah he could.

Cleveland at this time, reached the finals Vs SAS. So, was not comparable with Washington or New Orleans now...

Well, they reached the Finals because of Lebron.  If Washington or New Orleans had Lebron, they be winning 55+ games and would be contending, as well.

Winning 55 games during Regular Season is too far from reaching NBA finals

[Roy H.]

Might be interesting to see if Lebron can win MVP nomination if he plays for New Orleans or Washington

He won it in Cleveland, so yeah he could.

Cleveland at this time, reached the finals Vs SAS. So, was not comparable with Washington or New Orleans now...

Well, they reached the Finals because of Lebron.  If Washington or New Orleans had Lebron, they be winning 55+ games and would be contending, as well.

Winning 55 games during Regular Season is too far from reaching NBA finals

I'm not sure what you mean.  The Cavs won 50 years the season they went to the Finals.  55 wins is a respectable number for a contending team.

[clover]

I agree but not with the player he chose. It was like in 08' KG should have been the MVP. His numbers weren't huge but you take him off the Celtics, Do you think we even sniff a ring? Or make the greatest turnaround from a record of 24 wins to 66? KG was robbed of his 2nd MVP in 07-08.

I agree with this.

[bdm860]

I always hate the “it’s most valuable not best player” mindset, as that’s not how the majority of people interpret the award, and "value" is so relative and impossible to truly measure, and consequently gets turned into a Most Improved award instead. A few examples come to mind:


Jordan not winning in '93.  Compare the ’93 and ’94 Bulls.  The ’93 Bulls won 57 games with Jordan, then the ’94 Bulls won 55 games with practically the same team (minus Jordan, plus Kukoc).  So clearly Jordan wasn’t that valuable to the team, and clearly shouldn’t win the award.  (Despite the sarcasm, Jordan finished 3rd in the MVP race behind Barkley and Hakeem, so maybe the voters indeed saw it that way, or were tired of giving it to Jordan since he won 3 including the last 2).  Jordan has a better season the his previous years MVP season, yet didn't win because Barkley in Phoenix was the hot story and Suns had become contenders, while the Bulls merely stayed contenders. Yet despite similar seasons in the next few seasons, and Phoenix winning around the same amount of games, Barkley never came close to an MVP award again. How did he suddenly lose value to the Suns?

Then there's all the Kidd votes in 2002, finishing a close 2nd to Duncan. Not saying Kidd didn’t deserve consideration, but everybody’s main argument seemed to be built around the fact of “look at the turnaround New Jersey had with Kidd!”.  Kidd finished a close 2nd in the MVP vote in 2002, but then finished 9th in 2003 while putting up very similar stats and with New Jersey winning just about the same amount of games.  So clearly Kidd was as valuable in 2002 as 2003, but he dropped big time in the voting?  You can’t base MVP awards on team turnarounds.  You reward Kidd for coming to a bad team in 2002, and then he plays the same way in 2003 and you punish him because his team played the same as the previous year? Too often the award goes to "player responsible for single season turnaround," treating it like a Most Improved award.

No way I believe Garnett should have won in 2008 like others are saying.  Sure he was valuable to the Celtics, but he was as valuable to the Wolves.  And why would we only give the award to Garnett in '08, did he become so much less valuable to the C's in the following years?

Look how valuable Bosh was to the Raptors.  No way he deserves the award despite clearly being extremely valuable to that team.  Could go on and on with examples like this.

The award should go to the best player, or rather the player who played the best that year.  Let’s get all these other ridiculous interpretations out of here.

[staticcc]

I disagree with Washburn's reasoning and the reasoning of a lot of people regarding the MVP. IMO, the MVP award is given to the MVP of the WHOLE LEAGUE, not the MVP of one single team. And clearly, even if I don't like him, Lebron is the MVP of the WHOLE NBA.

[Moranis]

The Knicks were essentially a .500 team without Anthony (7-8).  So I can kind of see his point, but Anthony should not have received a vote.  He was the wrong guy to give it to if you weren't going to go with Lebron.  Durant would have been a far better choice.  Parker would have been a better choice.  Curry would have been a better choice.  Even Kobe would have been a better choice.

But if you really want value, you saw in Washington this year what John Wall's value is.  I mean Washington was 5-28 before Wall played and finished the year 24-25 with Wall.  If that isn't value I don't know what is.

[sed522002]

I don't agree with his voting, BUT I don't agree with him getting so much flack and harassed for who he decided to give his vote to. It's not that serious and it didn't impact Lebron winning at all.

[KGs Knee]

I always hate the “it’s most valuable not best player” mindset, as that’s not how the majority of people interpret the award, and "value" is so relative and impossible to truly measure

I always hate the mind set that it is the "best player award".  That is not what it is called.  As you say, valuable can be defined in many ways, and it is perfectly fine by me if different writers choose to define it in their own terms.

[pearljammer10]

I like where Washburn is coming from here.

LeBron is certainly the best player in the league this year but is he the most valuable to his team? If you take Lebron away from the Heat they are still the best team in the East and a contending favorite.

If you take Melo away from the Knicks are they anywhere near a 2nd place eastern conference team?

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Might be interesting to see if Lebron can win MVP nomination if he plays for New Orleans or Washington

He won it in Cleveland, so yeah he could.

Cleveland at this time, reached the finals Vs SAS. So, was not comparable with Washington or New Orleans now...

Well, they reached the Finals because of Lebron.  If Washington or New Orleans had Lebron, they be winning 55+ games and would be contending, as well.

Winning 55 games during Regular Season is too far from reaching NBA finals

A: I'd like to see LeBron do it on a bad team.
B: He did. Cleveland.
A: Cleveland reached the finals so they weren't a bad team.
B: They reached the finals because of LeBron. He is that good and would have a similar effect on a bad team now.
A: But this hypothetical scenario wouldn't be as good because I say so.

Ok, just putting this into a dialogue form to see if it as nonsense, loony, moving the goalpost as I thought it was when it was in boxes. Yup.