Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul

[BballTim]

Have CP3 agree to a sign and trade for Rondo and whatever chip is needed to make the salaries work and see if Ainge doesn't do that before he blinks. THEN you'll see who is the better PG.

  Do the trade and have CP3 outplay LeBron for a playoff series and then you could start to make your claim.

I don't remember there being a series where Rondo outplayed Lebron. When did this happen and where was I?

  Where you were when any particular event occurred is a topic for another day, possibly you could get CelticConcourse to start a thread about it. As for Rondo, many people felt that he was the best player in the 2010 Cavs series and many people felt he was the best player for the first part of the Heat series last year. Obviously you'll claim LeBron was better in both series, that's fine.

  But you think CP3's better than Rondo by a pretty good margin, don't you? If so, it only stands to reason that his play on the court would exceed Rondo's by an equally large margin. Better than Rondo by a pretty good margin would be better than LeBron in 2010 and probably as good as LeBron in 2012, so that level of play should be what we can expect from CP3, correct?

[EJPLAYA]

If you poll the nation, not just Celtics fans (obviously biased towards own player), to choose between Paul and Rondo, I can guarantee you more chooses Paul, and rightfully so.

  By the same token if you poll the nation, not just Celtics fans, to choose the best player on the Celts since 2009 or so I can guarantee that they'd choose Rondo. Does that mean anything in the discussions here?

And if you poll the nation about the best player on the Suns you'll see they choose Goran Dragic.  Does that mean that HE is better than CP3 as well?! Your argument doesn't work.  I don't disagree that Rondo isn't currently the best player on the team due to PP and KG's slip in play due to their age. (although if he is better than PP it is barely) That does not mean however that you can build a championship team with him as the centerpiece. If there were a way to bring in 3 superstars without trading away Rondo then I'd be all for it. PG isn't a required position to be elite at in order to win it all. A solid player at that spot will do. Dragic for example at PG in 2008 would have won it as well.

[LarBrd33]

Chris Paul is far superior to Rajon Rondo.  Chris Paul is the consensus top PG in the NBA and a top 6 player in the league.  Rondo is a top 10 PG when healthy and he's attempting to come back from major surgery.   

[Evantime34]

Chris Paul is far superior to Rajon Rondo.  End of discussion.

Has this method of argument ever worked for you?  In general I feel like this dismissal of opposing viewpoints makes other want to do anything but end the discussion (I happen to agree with you, I just think you could articulate it in another manner)

[BballTim]

If you poll the nation, not just Celtics fans (obviously biased towards own player), to choose between Paul and Rondo, I can guarantee you more chooses Paul, and rightfully so.

  By the same token if you poll the nation, not just Celtics fans, to choose the best player on the Celts since 2009 or so I can guarantee that they'd choose Rondo. Does that mean anything in the discussions here?

And if you poll the nation about the best player on the Suns you'll see they choose Goran Dragic.  Does that mean that HE is better than CP3 as well?! Your argument doesn't work.  I don't disagree that Rondo isn't currently the best player on the team due to PP and KG's slip in play due to their age. (although if he is better than PP it is barely) That does not mean however that you can build a championship team with him as the centerpiece. If there were a way to bring in 3 superstars without trading away Rondo then I'd be all for it. PG isn't a required position to be elite at in order to win it all. A solid player at that spot will do. Dragic for example at PG in 2008 would have won it as well.

  A solid pg is fine, as long as you have a LeBron/Kobe/MJ/TD/Bird or the like in their prime. Get one of those players and we're fine. I just don't see it happening in the near future, and I don't think it makes sense to base personnel moves on what I'd do if I had a player like that when I don't.

[StartOrien]

Ah, the real downside of a poor playoff performance out of the Celtics:

The return of the Rajon Rondo Superfan club

[BballTim]

Ah, the real downside of a poor playoff performance out of the Celtics:

The return of the Rajon Rondo Superfan club

  From the other side, it's all of the people who were gleefully claiming that THIS TEAM is better without Rondo not having the slightest idea what went wrong in the playoffs.

[StartOrien]

Ah, the real downside of a poor playoff performance out of the Celtics:

The return of the Rajon Rondo Superfan club

  From the other side, it's all of the people who were gleefully claiming that THIS TEAM is better without Rondo not having the slightest idea what went wrong in the playoffs.

And then there's the middle; people like me who'd wish both sides would just relax.

[LarBrd33]

Chris Paul is far superior to Rajon Rondo.  End of discussion.

Has this method of argument ever worked for you?  In general I feel like this dismissal of opposing viewpoints makes other want to do anything but end the discussion (I happen to agree with you, I just think you could articulate it in another manner)

That's fair... I just don't see the point in humoring every silly thread.  Go ahead and start a 5 page thread about how Avery Bradley is better than Dwayne Wade... someone oughta throw ice water on it.  I'm willing to be that ice water.

I love this forum, but every once in a while some homer starts a thread claiming something like, "I'd rather have Perk on this team than Hakeem in his prime... Perk's a better fit"... and I don't see the point in encouraging that type of tomfoolery.  I feel like we're doing our fellow fan a disservice if we feed into such delusions, perpetuating a stereotype of Boston homerism, and ultimately degrading the quality of the discussion on this forum into fantasy-land shenanigans.   There's just no place for this kind of poppycock. 

[Juneauz]

If you poll the nation, not just Celtics fans (obviously biased towards own player), to choose between Paul and Rondo, I can guarantee you more chooses Paul, and rightfully so.

I'm actually pretty sure that plenty of non-celtics fans would vote for Rondo (he's highly praised everywhere else than Boston), while Celtics fan would vote for Paul. That's the problem with this awkward fanbase.

[LarBrd33]

If you poll the nation, not just Celtics fans (obviously biased towards own player), to choose between Paul and Rondo, I can guarantee you more chooses Paul, and rightfully so.

I'm actually pretty sure that plenty of non-celtics fans would vote for Rondo (he's highly praised everywhere else than Boston), while Celtics fan would vote for Paul. That's the problem with this awkward fanbase.

A nation-wide poll asking who the best PG in the league is between Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, Rajon Rondo, Kyrie Irving, Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, John Wall, Ricky Rubio, Jru Holiday and Ty Lawson.... how confident are you that Rondo even finishes in the top 5?

Si.com... "Top 10 Point Guards" as of March 2013:  http://nba.si.com/2013/03/02/top-ten-point-guards-chris-paul-tony-parker-russell-westbrook-kyrie-irving-derrick-rose/

Rondo finishes 6th ahead of Steph Curry... These playoffs might change that perspective.


Bill Simmons, an admitted Celtic fanatic, recently ranked Rondo #36 in his trade value column.   http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9203345/nba-trade-value-part-2


TL;DR:  Chris Paul is better than Rondo.  Rondo is a top 10 PG.

[Celtics18]

Chris Paul is far superior to Rajon Rondo.  End of discussion.

Has this method of argument ever worked for you?  In general I feel like this dismissal of opposing viewpoints makes other want to do anything but end the discussion (I happen to agree with you, I just think you could articulate it in another manner)

That's fair... I just don't see the point in humoring every silly thread.  Go ahead and start a 5 page thread about how Avery Bradley is better than Dwayne Wade... someone oughta throw ice water on it.  I'm willing to be that ice water.

I love this forum, but every once in a while some homer starts a thread claiming something like, "I'd rather have Perk on this team than Hakeem in his prime... Perk's a better fit"... and I don't see the point in encouraging that type of tomfoolery.  I feel like we're doing our fellow fan a disservice if we feed into such delusions, perpetuating a stereotype of Boston homerism, and ultimately degrading the quality of the discussion on this forum into fantasy-land shenanigans.   That's just no place for this kind of poppycock.

"Poppycock":  What a great term.  Of course, what's an even bigger load of poppycock is suggesting that comparing Rondo to Chris Paul is anywhere near on the same level of a mismatch as comparing Bradley to Wade or Perk to Hakeem. 

Paul may be slightly better than Rondo, but it's not a mismatch like, say, comparing Eric Gordon to Michael Jordan.  If you think that it is, I can only say that you have an absurdly inflated notion of Chris Paul or you have an absurdly low opinion of Rajon Rondo. 

My guess is that it's a combination of the two. 

[Juneauz]

If you poll the nation, not just Celtics fans (obviously biased towards own player), to choose between Paul and Rondo, I can guarantee you more chooses Paul, and rightfully so.

I'm actually pretty sure that plenty of non-celtics fans would vote for Rondo (he's highly praised everywhere else than Boston), while Celtics fan would vote for Paul. That's the problem with this awkward fanbase.

A nation-wide poll asking who the best PG in the league is between Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, Rajon Rondo, Kyrie Irving, Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, John Wall, Ricky Rubio, Jru Holiday and Ty Lawson.... how confident are you that Rondo even finishes in the top 5?

Si.com... "Top 10 Point Guards" as of March 2013:  http://nba.si.com/2013/03/02/top-ten-point-guards-chris-paul-tony-parker-russell-westbrook-kyrie-irving-derrick-rose/

Rondo finishes 6th ahead of Steph Curry... These playoffs might change that perspective.


Bill Simmons, an admitted Celtic fanatic, recently ranked Rondo #36 in his trade value column.   http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9203345/nba-trade-value-part-2


TL;DR:  Chris Paul is better than Rondo.  Rondo is a top 10 PG.

I'm pretty sure I saw a similar poll after last year's playoffs where Rondo came first with a slight margin.
Sorry I can't backup that with a link or something, just a memory. Anyway, I'm just basing my statement on general trends over twitter, where lots of players and fans seem to indicate Rondo as "their favourite player". When Kobe said that exact phrase, it was pretty impressive. The typical tweet you get from other team fans is "boy I hate the celtics, but I'd love to have Rondo" (except for Chicago, they deeply hate rr)

[BballTim]

If you poll the nation, not just Celtics fans (obviously biased towards own player), to choose between Paul and Rondo, I can guarantee you more chooses Paul, and rightfully so.

I'm actually pretty sure that plenty of non-celtics fans would vote for Rondo (he's highly praised everywhere else than Boston), while Celtics fan would vote for Paul. That's the problem with this awkward fanbase.

A nation-wide poll asking who the best PG in the league is between Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Russell Westbrook, Steph Curry, Rajon Rondo, Kyrie Irving, Tony Parker, Derrick Rose, John Wall, Ricky Rubio, Jru Holiday and Ty Lawson.... how confident are you that Rondo even finishes in the top 5?

Si.com... "Top 10 Point Guards" as of March 2013:  http://nba.si.com/2013/03/02/top-ten-point-guards-chris-paul-tony-parker-russell-westbrook-kyrie-irving-derrick-rose/

Rondo finishes 6th.

  That doesn't look like a poll, just one guy's opinion.

  How about all-star voting for point guards?

  East
Rajon Rondo (Bos) 924,180
Deron Williams (BKN) 449,791
Kyrie Irving (Cle) 445,730
Raymond Felton (NYK) 105,340
Jrue Holiday (Phi) 103,146

  West
Chris Paul (LAC) 929,155
Jeremy Lin (Hou) 883,809
Russell Westbrook (OKC) 376,411
Steve Nash (LAL) 270,741
Tony Parker (SA) 176,168
Stephen Curry (GS) 169,083
Ricky Rubio (Min) 150,227

  Getting more than twice the votes of anyone else in the east  and 3-4 times the vote of half or so of your listed players throws a little "ice water" on your claim.

  An aside, but shouldn't celtics fans be aware of such things? I mean I didn't like Ray's game at all last year but I'm familiar enough with him to realize that the average nba fan saw him more as a fringe all-star than the below average player I thought he was.

[Yogi]

But seriously guys I think we can ALL agree that, without a doubt, Rondo is CLEARLY better than Chris Paul.  END of discussion.