Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul

[Roy H.]

He didn't do all that, but he was the best player in that series.

Probably, but he certainly didn't carry the team on his own.  Ray Allen was very good in that series (particularly the wins), and KG was very good, as well.  Replace any of those three guys with an average player, and we lose.

[BballTim]

But in BBallTim Rondo Worship land, Rondo played all 5 positions, guarded everyone, and carried two washed up Hall of Famers on his back.

  I was hoping that my heels would get some rest before you started nipping at them again.

[Celtics18]

As others have said, Rondo isn't better than Chris Paul.

Similarly, I agree with wdleehi that Rondo has never "carried" this team to the Finals.  He's been a fantastic playoff performer overall, but this notion that he has carried this team alone or nearly alone is a fantasy. 

(Also, for whatever it's worth, Rondo hasn't exactly blown the doors off in the Finals.  Out of 13 career games played in the Finals, he's only shot above .500 once, and has only had double-digit assist games three times.)

Fair enough on your second point, but Chris Paul's numbers in the Finals (and the Conference Finals, for that matter) are 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, .000, .000, 0.0, and 0. 

[Roy H.]

As others have said, Rondo isn't better than Chris Paul.

Similarly, I agree with wdleehi that Rondo has never "carried" this team to the Finals.  He's been a fantastic playoff performer overall, but this notion that he has carried this team alone or nearly alone is a fantasy.

  Isn't it a fantasy that any player carries their team alone or nearly alone to the finals?

I'm not the one making that argument. 

He has been a player on Celtics teams that went to the Finals, but never came close to carrying them.

LeBron and the rest of the Cavs would probably disagree with you.

[BballTim]

Paul is still the best PG in the NBA.


Take Paul of NO, lotto team.


Add him to the lotto team in LA, playoffs. 



Take Rondo off playoff Celtics (well Rondo and Ray Allen), still the playoffs Celtics. 




Rondo is still a top 5 PG.

  Imagine how our team would have looked in the playoffs without Jeff Green this year. The team you'd have left over, which would have set more records for offensive ineptness than they did in the series, is probably better than the group that Rondo took to within a game of the finals last year.

Of course the Celtics would be better with Rondo.



And would have probably been even better with Paul because he could have both run the offense as well as Rondo and been the 1st option.

  If he could run the offense as well as Rondo and be the 1st option all of his fans would be touting his playoff victories instead of explaining why they've never come to pass.

[wdleehi]

Paul is still the best PG in the NBA.


Take Paul of NO, lotto team.


Add him to the lotto team in LA, playoffs. 



Take Rondo off playoff Celtics (well Rondo and Ray Allen), still the playoffs Celtics. 




Rondo is still a top 5 PG.

  Imagine how our team would have looked in the playoffs without Jeff Green this year. The team you'd have left over, which would have set more records for offensive ineptness than they did in the series, is probably better than the group that Rondo took to within a game of the finals last year.

Of course the Celtics would be better with Rondo.



And would have probably been even better with Paul because he could have both run the offense as well as Rondo and been the 1st option.

  If he could run the offense as well as Rondo and be the 1st option all of his fans would be touting his playoff victories instead of explaining why they've never come to pass.

He has never had the rest of the offense around him.


Why else would he had wanted KG so much at the deadline?  He wanted better teammates.

[BballTim]

As others have said, Rondo isn't better than Chris Paul.

Similarly, I agree with wdleehi that Rondo has never "carried" this team to the Finals.  He's been a fantastic playoff performer overall, but this notion that he has carried this team alone or nearly alone is a fantasy.

  Isn't it a fantasy that any player carries their team alone or nearly alone to the finals?

I'm not the one making that argument. 

He has been a player on Celtics teams that went to the Finals, but never came close to carrying them.

LeBron and the rest of the Cavs would probably disagree with you.

  So you're stating that when you hear someone say that a player carried a team that you always assume it means "alone or nearly alone"? You'd be making the same denial if someone claimed that LeBron carried the Heat past the Celts last year?

[BballTim]

Paul is still the best PG in the NBA.


Take Paul of NO, lotto team.


Add him to the lotto team in LA, playoffs. 



Take Rondo off playoff Celtics (well Rondo and Ray Allen), still the playoffs Celtics. 




Rondo is still a top 5 PG.

  Imagine how our team would have looked in the playoffs without Jeff Green this year. The team you'd have left over, which would have set more records for offensive ineptness than they did in the series, is probably better than the group that Rondo took to within a game of the finals last year.

Of course the Celtics would be better with Rondo.



And would have probably been even better with Paul because he could have both run the offense as well as Rondo and been the 1st option.

  If he could run the offense as well as Rondo and be the 1st option all of his fans would be touting his playoff victories instead of explaining why they've never come to pass.

He has never had the rest of the offense around him.

Why else would he had wanted KG so much at the deadline?  He wanted better teammates.

  Again, take the leading scorer off of the Celts team who's offense was deplorably bad when playing a mediocre defense you'd still have better offense than what Rondo had to work with last year.

[kozlodoev]

I opened this thread expecting to see an actual reason in the top post, and found nothing. I guess that's appropriate.

But to address one specific issue:

How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

None. I don't believe I've yet seen a team that was led by Rajon Rondo.

[BballTim]

(Also, for whatever it's worth, Rondo hasn't exactly blown the doors off in the Finals.  Out of 13 career games played in the Finals, he's only shot above .500 once, and has only had double-digit assist games three times.)

  That's probably more health related than anything else. Clearly he's well known for coming up big in big games.

[wdleehi]

Paul is still the best PG in the NBA.


Take Paul of NO, lotto team.


Add him to the lotto team in LA, playoffs. 



Take Rondo off playoff Celtics (well Rondo and Ray Allen), still the playoffs Celtics. 




Rondo is still a top 5 PG.

  Imagine how our team would have looked in the playoffs without Jeff Green this year. The team you'd have left over, which would have set more records for offensive ineptness than they did in the series, is probably better than the group that Rondo took to within a game of the finals last year.

Of course the Celtics would be better with Rondo.



And would have probably been even better with Paul because he could have both run the offense as well as Rondo and been the 1st option.

  If he could run the offense as well as Rondo and be the 1st option all of his fans would be touting his playoff victories instead of explaining why they've never come to pass.

He has never had the rest of the offense around him.

Why else would he had wanted KG so much at the deadline?  He wanted better teammates.

  Again, take the leading scorer off of the Celts team who's offense was deplorably bad when playing a mediocre defense you'd still have better offense than what Rondo had to work with last year.

When KG averages 19.2 points a game?


And the Celtics had 5 guys averaging double digits?


Where Paul had Griffin and Mo Williams?


And this year, Griffin couldn't even stay on the court so he had Matt Barnes.

[eugen]

Another reason why Rondo "is" better than Chris Paul ?!...Rondo has number 9 bigger than number 3 og CP3 shirt

[BballTim]

I opened this thread expecting to see an actual reason in the top post, and found nothing. I guess that's appropriate.

But to address one specific issue:

How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

None. I don't believe I've yet seen a team that was led by Rajon Rondo.

  If you're like quite a few of the posters here you'll never believe you've seen a team led by Rondo until the team fails in the playoffs. All throughout the team's poor start to the 11-12 season there were tons of posts claiming we needed to move on from Rondo because he was the leader of the team and the team sucked.

  Lo and behold, the team does a 180 and almost gets to the finals. What do we see this year when the team gets off to a poor start? Plenty of posts, including many from the 11-12 posters, claiming that this is the first time it's been Rondo's team and we need to dump him because the team sucks. If he'd come back healthy for the playoffs we'd get plenty of posts next year claiming that the 13-14 season was the first one where he's led...

[wdleehi]

I opened this thread expecting to see an actual reason in the top post, and found nothing. I guess that's appropriate.

But to address one specific issue:

How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

None. I don't believe I've yet seen a team that was led by Rajon Rondo.

  If you're like quite a few of the posters here you'll never believe you've seen a team led by Rondo until the team fails in the playoffs. All throughout the team's poor start to the 11-12 season there were tons of posts claiming we needed to move on from Rondo because he was the leader of the team and the team sucked.

  Lo and behold, the team does a 180 and almost gets to the finals. What do we see this year when the team gets off to a poor start? Plenty of posts, including many from the 11-12 posters, claiming that this is the first time it's been Rondo's team and we need to dump him because the team sucks. If he'd come back healthy for the playoffs we'd get plenty of posts next year claiming that the 13-14 season was the first one where he's led...

Yet most of the posters you are arguing with are not saying "dump Rondo"


They are just saying that there is another PG that is better.

[gpap]

I do not think Rondo is a better player than CP3. No way.

I felt that way two years ago during the trade rumors and I feel even more strongly about that now.

Rondo is not the complete player that Paul is.