Another reason why Rondo is better than Chris Paul

[Clench123]

How many times has all these supposedly better than Rondo pointguards taken their teams to their conference finals not yet to the finals, not yet win the title?  None.  Rondo's done all of that.  He's won us numerous games in the postseason and has single handely taken us really far in the playoffs.  He was just as important as the big three ever was and maybe even more.  This year, we saw how the team was in the postseason without him.  It was very shocking to see a very hot Clippers team get bounced in the first round.  How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

To me, this argument should've been killed long time ago.  Rondo is the best pointguard in the league.  He's got the records and the title to prove it.  There shouldn't even be an argument about that at this point.

Build the team around him.  Why would you even think about trading such a talent, one that grew up under KG?

[krook]

How many times has all these supposedly better than Rondo pointguards taken their teams to their conference finals not yet to the finals, not yet win the title?  None.  Rondo's done all of that.  He's won us numerous games in the postseason and has single handely taken us really far in the playoffs.  He was just as important as the big three ever was and maybe even more.  This year, we saw how the team was in the postseason without him.  It was very shocking to see a very hot Clippers team get bounced in the first round.  How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

To me, this argument should've been killed long time ago.  Rondo is the best pointguard in the league.  He's got the records and the title to prove it.  There shouldn't even be an argument about that at this point.

Build the team around him.  Why would you even think about trading such a talent, one that grew up under KG?

without CP3 clippers are nothing, all clippers players are carried by cp3

without rondo bass wilcox avery pierce sucks big time

bass bad jump shots = rondo assist
wilcox alley oop = rondo assist
pierce turnovers = rondo hogging the ball less turnovers
bradley cut through the basket = rondo assist

rondo useless
bass pick n' pop
rondo shaq duo = super crazy tandem

terry sucks, not utilize by doc
shavlik a pick n' roll defense guy
bass pick n' pop and kg pick n' pop?

rondo holds the ball (floor vision) ray allen circles, find opening, hit 3's
same as terry role which is not working anymore

rondo good floor general with super good floor court vision + a pick n' roll big man + terry on jump shots
doc is lost on his players

 

[Clench123]

How many times has all these supposedly better than Rondo pointguards taken their teams to their conference finals not yet to the finals, not yet win the title?  None.  Rondo's done all of that.  He's won us numerous games in the postseason and has single handely taken us really far in the playoffs.  He was just as important as the big three ever was and maybe even more.  This year, we saw how the team was in the postseason without him.  It was very shocking to see a very hot Clippers team get bounced in the first round.  How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

To me, this argument should've been killed long time ago.  Rondo is the best pointguard in the league.  He's got the records and the title to prove it.  There shouldn't even be an argument about that at this point.

Build the team around him.  Why would you even think about trading such a talent, one that grew up under KG?

without CP3 clippers are nothing, all clippers players are carried by cp3

without rondo bass wilcox avery pierce sucks big time

bass bad jump shots = rondo assist
wilcox alley oop = rondo assist
pierce turnovers = rondo hogging the ball less turnovers
bradley cut through the basket = rondo assist

rondo useless
bass pick n' pop
rondo shaq duo = super crazy tandem

terry sucks, not utilize by doc
shavlik a pick n' roll defense guy
bass pick n' pop and kg pick n' pop?

rondo holds the ball (floor vision) ray allen circles, find opening, hit 3's
same as terry role which is not working anymore

rondo good floor general with super good floor court vision + a pick n' roll big man + terry on jump shots
doc is lost on his players

 

In Samuel Jackson's voice "English motherEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.a do you speak it?"

That's one of the most confusing post I've ever read.  But I think I get what you're saying

[badshar]

You have to understand one thing: Clippers were never "hot" entering into the playoffs. They were overhyped. LA is a big market and since Lakers were pretty much garbage, they had to overhype at least one team.

Clippers were overhyped this year, just like last year.

[D.o.s.]

How many times has all these supposedly better than Rondo pointguards taken their teams to their conference finals not yet to the finals, not yet win the title?  None.  Rondo's done all of that.  He's won us numerous games in the postseason and has single handely taken us really far in the playoffs.  He was just as important as the big three ever was and maybe even more.  This year, we saw how the team was in the postseason without him.  It was very shocking to see a very hot Clippers team get bounced in the first round.  How many times has a team led by Rondo being a first rounder?

To me, this argument should've been killed long time ago.  Rondo is the best pointguard in the league.  He's got the records and the title to prove it.  There shouldn't even be an argument about that at this point.

Build the team around him.  Why would you even think about trading such a talent, one that grew up under KG?

That's the problem--Rondo's never 'lead' the team in the Chris Paul/LeBron James/Allen Iverson/post-Westbrook injury Kevin Durant/James Harden fashion.

[eugen]

For Cs Paul is much better choise beacuse is much better scorer

[CoachBo]

 

You don't suppose, do you, that Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, James Posey, et al. had a little something to do with those trips to the finals and the conference finals, do you?

[RyNye]

That's the problem--Rondo's never 'lead' the team in the Chris Paul/LeBron James/Allen Iverson/post-Westbrook injury Kevin Durant/James Harden fashion.

Of course he has. People just underrate him because he doesn't score a lot of points every game, because people are stupid enough to think scoring is the only way to lead a team in basketball.

Think about it this way. Lebron scores 24.5 points per game, plus 6.8 assists (which is another 13 points per game). So Lebron generates approximately 37 points per game for his team's offense.

Rondo only scores 13 or 14 points per game, but also gets 11 or 12 assists. So he is generating approximately 35 to 36 points per game for the C's offense.

[CoachBo]

That's the problem--Rondo's never 'lead' the team in the Chris Paul/LeBron James/Allen Iverson/post-Westbrook injury Kevin Durant/James Harden fashion.

Of course he has. People just underrate him because he doesn't score a lot of points every game, because people are stupid enough to think scoring is the only way to lead a team in basketball.

Think about it this way. Lebron scores 24.5 points per game, plus 6.8 assists (which is another 13 points per game). So Lebron generates approximately 37 points per game for his team's offense.

Rondo only scores 13 or 14 points per game, but also gets 11 or 12 assists. So he is generating approximately 35 to 36 points per game for the C's offense.

Only if you assume - as I'm sure many do here - that neither of them ever turn the ball over.

And neither set of numbers accounts for ball movement, movement away from the ball or defensive quality.

Once more, the effectiveness of an individual basketball player cannot be accurately boiled down to numbers. Sabremetrics are the refuge of those looking for affirmation, not information.

[D.o.s.]

That's the problem--Rondo's never 'lead' the team in the Chris Paul/LeBron James/Allen Iverson/post-Westbrook injury Kevin Durant/James Harden fashion.

Of course he has. People just underrate him because he doesn't score a lot of points every game, because people are stupid enough to think scoring is the only way to lead a team in basketball.

Think about it this way. Lebron scores 24.5 points per game, plus 6.8 assists (which is another 13 points per game). So Lebron generates approximately 37 points per game for his team's offense.

Rondo only scores 13 or 14 points per game, but also gets 11 or 12 assists. So he is generating approximately 35 to 36 points per game for the C's offense.

A) nice job not quite calling me stupid. That's clever, right there.


I'll give you a great stat for what we're trying to look at: Usage rate. Since you're not stupid, I'm not going to bother explaining usage rate to you, but I will say that it's a much better indicator of being a first option than assists + points.

Here you go:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=rondora01&y1=2012&p2=jamesle01&y2=2013&p3=hardeja01&y3=2013&p4=paulch01&y4=2013&p5=rosede01&y5=2012#advanced::none


If KG and Pierce retire in this off season and Rondo comes back healthy from his ACL tear, we'll see how far he can take the team as it's undisputed best player.

[BballTim]

You don't suppose, do you, that Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, James Posey, et al. had a little something to do with those trips to the finals and the conference finals, do you?

  If you took Jeff Green off of this year's playoff roster you'd have a better cast than the one Rondo took to the ecf last year. With Rondo our offense performed much better last year even though the defenses we faced in the playoffs were much better than the Knicks, who were a below average defense this year.

[BballTim]

That's the problem--Rondo's never 'lead' the team in the Chris Paul/LeBron James/Allen Iverson/post-Westbrook injury Kevin Durant/James Harden fashion.

Of course he has. People just underrate him because he doesn't score a lot of points every game, because people are stupid enough to think scoring is the only way to lead a team in basketball.

Think about it this way. Lebron scores 24.5 points per game, plus 6.8 assists (which is another 13 points per game). So Lebron generates approximately 37 points per game for his team's offense.

Rondo only scores 13 or 14 points per game, but also gets 11 or 12 assists. So he is generating approximately 35 to 36 points per game for the C's offense.

Only if you assume - as I'm sure many do here - that neither of them ever turn the ball over.

  Is the assumption that only one of them ever turns the ball over?

[lightspeed5]

cp3 gets swept, deron gets 1st round exit

rondo takes lebron to 7 games and makes him sweat bullets

[Yogi]

Enough with the excuses for Chris Paul.  He left NO to go to a team with more talent so he can contend and he couldn't even go one step further.  Is Blake Griffin, Jamal Crawford, Chauncey Billups, Grant Hill, DeAndre Jordan, Lamar Odom, Eric Bledsoe, Matt Barnes not enough help?  The team that Rondo carried to the ECF was way less talented.  After a hobbled KG, Pierce and Ray we had the likes of Dooling and Pietrus. 

[Yogi]

Enough with the excuses for Chris Paul.  He left NO to go to a team with more talent so he can contend and he couldn't even go one step further.  Is Blake Griffin, Jamal Crawford, Chauncey Billups, Grant Hill, DeAndre Jordan, Lamar Odom, Eric Bledsoe, Matt Barnes not enough help?  The team that Rondo carried to the ECF was way less talented.  After a hobbled KG, Pierce and Ray we had the likes of Dooling and Pietrus.

And Deron Williams losing to the Bulls is an embarrassment.  Bulls without Rose, Hinrich and Deng!  He had a fully healthy team with Joe Johnson, Gerald Wallace, Brook Lopez and plenty of depth in Watson, Brooks, Evans, Blatche and Humphries.