KG: C's need changes

[Chief Macho]

cool.  let's lock him up for another 3 years.   

[kgainez]

the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.

You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

no
i want them to go because they're being loyal to each other and not the rest of the team like a jeff green, rondo, or whomever will be there next year. it's essentially 'if u go, i go'...'if they rebuild, im out'
which is fine, but when running an organization that leads to diff ideas and angles on how things are run.

this is the EAST. The bucks made it to 8th spot like 4 games under 500. I don't think we'll be great, but I think we will play competitively. We're not winning a ring WITH Paul and KG, esp as long as the LBJs, KDs and etc are around. In all seriousness, we're ALL delusional.

I do have a problem with PP shooting as he did in the playoffs. He's the #1 option. We make fun of guys who shoot those type of percentages. Oh but because it's Paul, it's a non-issue? Haven't even seen one thread dedicated to it, but when anyone else has a poor game, they're blasted.

Paul had an awful series. He has a poor attitude towards a rebuild which is what we NEED. Let him go. Let KG follow. And if Doc wants to as well, let him.

[bobbyv]

the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.

You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

no
i want them to go because they're being loyal to each other and not the rest of the team like a jeff green, rondo, or whomever will be there next year. it's essentially 'if u go, i go'...'if they rebuild, im out'
which is fine, but when running an organization that leads to diff ideas and angles on how things are run.

this is the EAST. The bucks made it to 8th spot like 4 games under 500. I don't think we'll be great, but I think we will play competitively. We're not winning a ring WITH Paul and KG, esp as long as the LBJs, KDs and etc are around. In all seriousness, we're ALL delusional.

I do have a problem with PP shooting as he did in the playoffs. He's the #1 option. We make fun of guys who shoot those type of percentages. Oh but because it's Paul, it's a non-issue? Haven't even seen one thread dedicated to it, but when anyone else has a poor game, they're blasted.

Paul had an awful series. He has a poor attitude towards a rebuild which is what we NEED. Let him go. Let KG follow. And if Doc wants to as well, let him.

We sure as heck aren't winning without them for a LONG time

[badshar]

the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.

You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

no
i want them to go because they're being loyal to each other and not the rest of the team like a jeff green, rondo, or whomever will be there next year. it's essentially 'if u go, i go'...'if they rebuild, im out'
which is fine, but when running an organization that leads to diff ideas and angles on how things are run.

,b]this is the EAST.[/b] The bucks made it to 8th spot like 4 games under 500. I don't think we'll be great, but I think we will play competitively. We're not winning a ring WITH Paul and KG, esp as long as the LBJs, KDs and etc are around. In all seriousness, we're ALL delusional.

I do have a problem with PP shooting as he did in the playoffs. He's the #1 option. We make fun of guys who shoot those type of percentages. Oh but because it's Paul, it's a non-issue? Haven't even seen one thread dedicated to it, but when anyone else has a poor game, they're blasted.

Paul had an awful series. He has a poor attitude towards a rebuild which is what we NEED. Let him go. Let KG follow. And if Doc wants to as well, let him.

EXACTLY! This is the East, the weaker conference of the two. A team with a losing record can make the playoffs here because there aren't many good teams in the East.

The Bucks were 37-43. That is below .500, yet they still made the playoffs, because the East is a weak conference. There is a reason its so easy for the Heat to get to the Finals every year, because there is virtually no competition outside of a few teams who have been consistently getting injured lately.

[kgainez]

the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.

You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

no
i want them to go because they're being loyal to each other and not the rest of the team like a jeff green, rondo, or whomever will be there next year. it's essentially 'if u go, i go'...'if they rebuild, im out'
which is fine, but when running an organization that leads to diff ideas and angles on how things are run.

this is the EAST. The bucks made it to 8th spot like 4 games under 500. I don't think we'll be great, but I think we will play competitively. We're not winning a ring WITH Paul and KG, esp as long as the LBJs, KDs and etc are around. In all seriousness, we're ALL delusional.

I do have a problem with PP shooting as he did in the playoffs. He's the #1 option. We make fun of guys who shoot those type of percentages. Oh but because it's Paul, it's a non-issue? Haven't even seen one thread dedicated to it, but when anyone else has a poor game, they're blasted.

Paul had an awful series. He has a poor attitude towards a rebuild which is what we NEED. Let him go. Let KG follow. And if Doc wants to as well, let him.

We sure as heck aren't winning without them for a LONG time

and this is my point
why continue to prolong a 3 year plan? while guys get older and less effective and newer talent comes in. unless Doc decides to completely change the game plan and sit these guys on the bench, I do not see the point it keeping them around. either way, the outcome is going to be the same.
i say start it now...i happen to believe the young guys we have are pretty good. if we can take 1 year to develop and then in 2014 try to get some better pieces, we could be great.
i look forward to RR and JG doing things like over in OKC. AB would then become the defensive impacter and perhaps JG could as well. 2nd year in, everyone should know rotations better. but realistically, i think we should change that portion of the game plan, too.

[kgainez]

the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.

You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

no
i want them to go because they're being loyal to each other and not the rest of the team like a jeff green, rondo, or whomever will be there next year. it's essentially 'if u go, i go'...'if they rebuild, im out'
which is fine, but when running an organization that leads to diff ideas and angles on how things are run.

,b]this is the EAST.[/b] The bucks made it to 8th spot like 4 games under 500. I don't think we'll be great, but I think we will play competitively. We're not winning a ring WITH Paul and KG, esp as long as the LBJs, KDs and etc are around. In all seriousness, we're ALL delusional.

I do have a problem with PP shooting as he did in the playoffs. He's the #1 option. We make fun of guys who shoot those type of percentages. Oh but because it's Paul, it's a non-issue? Haven't even seen one thread dedicated to it, but when anyone else has a poor game, they're blasted.

Paul had an awful series. He has a poor attitude towards a rebuild which is what we NEED. Let him go. Let KG follow. And if Doc wants to as well, let him.

EXACTLY! This is the East, the weaker conference of the two. A team with a losing record can make the playoffs here because there aren't many good teams in the East.

The Bucks were 37-43. That is below .500, yet they still made the playoffs, because the East is a weak conference. There is a reason its so easy for the Heat to get to the Finals every year, because there is virtually no competition outside of a few teams who have been consistently getting injured lately.

aren't you proving my point?
somewhere else someone said they can see a team with a core of RR/AB/JG winning at most 38 games. I personally think there could be a max of 40 or 45, depending on what players work on in the offseason and how RR recovers.
Again, we are in the East. If the Bucks can get 8th, the Bulls can be 5th (and in the 2nd round), I'm not sure why we think the Cs can't be inbetween there minus two aging stars.
Stop being so sentimental. Just like guys 'stepped up' in the absence of Rondo, they'll do the same without PP and KG.
We will need a formidable big. Yes.

[badshar]

the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.

You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

no
i want them to go because they're being loyal to each other and not the rest of the team like a jeff green, rondo, or whomever will be there next year. it's essentially 'if u go, i go'...'if they rebuild, im out'
which is fine, but when running an organization that leads to diff ideas and angles on how things are run.

,b]this is the EAST.[/b] The bucks made it to 8th spot like 4 games under 500. I don't think we'll be great, but I think we will play competitively. We're not winning a ring WITH Paul and KG, esp as long as the LBJs, KDs and etc are around. In all seriousness, we're ALL delusional.

I do have a problem with PP shooting as he did in the playoffs. He's the #1 option. We make fun of guys who shoot those type of percentages. Oh but because it's Paul, it's a non-issue? Haven't even seen one thread dedicated to it, but when anyone else has a poor game, they're blasted.

Paul had an awful series. He has a poor attitude towards a rebuild which is what we NEED. Let him go. Let KG follow. And if Doc wants to as well, let him.

EXACTLY! This is the East, the weaker conference of the two. A team with a losing record can make the playoffs here because there aren't many good teams in the East.

The Bucks were 37-43. That is below .500, yet they still made the playoffs, because the East is a weak conference. There is a reason its so easy for the Heat to get to the Finals every year, because there is virtually no competition outside of a few teams who have been consistently getting injured lately.

aren't you proving my point?
somewhere else someone said they can see a team with a core of RR/AB/JG winning at most 38 games. I personally think there could be a max of 40 or 45, depending on what players work on in the offseason and how RR recovers.
Again, we are in the East. If the Bucks can get 8th, the Bulls can be 5th (and in the 2nd round), I'm not sure why we think the Cs can't be inbetween there minus two aging stars.
Stop being so sentimental. Just like guys 'stepped up' in the absence of Rondo, they'll do the same without PP and KG.
We will need a formidable big. Yes.

If we are going to underrate PP and KG and their importance to this team so much that we will say that others on this team will 'step up' and duplicate what PP and KG do for this team, then I don't know what else to say anymore.

[bobbyv]

the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.

You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

no
i want them to go because they're being loyal to each other and not the rest of the team like a jeff green, rondo, or whomever will be there next year. it's essentially 'if u go, i go'...'if they rebuild, im out'
which is fine, but when running an organization that leads to diff ideas and angles on how things are run.

this is the EAST. The bucks made it to 8th spot like 4 games under 500. I don't think we'll be great, but I think we will play competitively. We're not winning a ring WITH Paul and KG, esp as long as the LBJs, KDs and etc are around. In all seriousness, we're ALL delusional.

I do have a problem with PP shooting as he did in the playoffs. He's the #1 option. We make fun of guys who shoot those type of percentages. Oh but because it's Paul, it's a non-issue? Haven't even seen one thread dedicated to it, but when anyone else has a poor game, they're blasted.

Paul had an awful series. He has a poor attitude towards a rebuild which is what we NEED. Let him go. Let KG follow. And if Doc wants to as well, let him.

We sure as heck aren't winning without them for a LONG time

and this is my point
why continue to prolong a 3 year plan? while guys get older and less effective and newer talent comes in. unless Doc decides to completely change the game plan and sit these guys on the bench, I do not see the point it keeping them around. either way, the outcome is going to be the same.
i say start it now...i happen to believe the young guys we have are pretty good. if we can take 1 year to develop and then in 2014 try to get some better pieces, we could be great.
i look forward to RR and JG doing things like over in OKC. AB would then become the defensive impacter and perhaps JG could as well. 2nd year in, everyone should know rotations better. but realistically, i think we should change that portion of the game plan, too.

They aren't (and won't be) the scoring duo OKC has.

[LooseCannon]

What if KG said that he would come back if the Celtics bring back Pierce and bring in a veteran big that he respects, he would retire in a way that lets the Celtics use his contract as trade filler if Ainge makes a good faith effort at acquiring that player but fails, and he will just walk away if Ainge decides to blow things up without even trying to reload for one last year?

[kgainez]

the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.

You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

no
i want them to go because they're being loyal to each other and not the rest of the team like a jeff green, rondo, or whomever will be there next year. it's essentially 'if u go, i go'...'if they rebuild, im out'
which is fine, but when running an organization that leads to diff ideas and angles on how things are run.

,b]this is the EAST.[/b] The bucks made it to 8th spot like 4 games under 500. I don't think we'll be great, but I think we will play competitively. We're not winning a ring WITH Paul and KG, esp as long as the LBJs, KDs and etc are around. In all seriousness, we're ALL delusional.

I do have a problem with PP shooting as he did in the playoffs. He's the #1 option. We make fun of guys who shoot those type of percentages. Oh but because it's Paul, it's a non-issue? Haven't even seen one thread dedicated to it, but when anyone else has a poor game, they're blasted.

Paul had an awful series. He has a poor attitude towards a rebuild which is what we NEED. Let him go. Let KG follow. And if Doc wants to as well, let him.

EXACTLY! This is the East, the weaker conference of the two. A team with a losing record can make the playoffs here because there aren't many good teams in the East.

The Bucks were 37-43. That is below .500, yet they still made the playoffs, because the East is a weak conference. There is a reason its so easy for the Heat to get to the Finals every year, because there is virtually no competition outside of a few teams who have been consistently getting injured lately.

aren't you proving my point?
somewhere else someone said they can see a team with a core of RR/AB/JG winning at most 38 games. I personally think there could be a max of 40 or 45, depending on what players work on in the offseason and how RR recovers.
Again, we are in the East. If the Bucks can get 8th, the Bulls can be 5th (and in the 2nd round), I'm not sure why we think the Cs can't be inbetween there minus two aging stars.
Stop being so sentimental. Just like guys 'stepped up' in the absence of Rondo, they'll do the same without PP and KG.
We will need a formidable big. Yes.

If we are going to underrate PP and KG and their importance to this team so much that we will say that others on this team will 'step up' and duplicate what PP and KG do for this team, then I don't know what else to say anymore.

i guess that's where we differ. I tend to think Paul, at least, is overrated HERE. 36% in the Playoffs is not what I want. IDC who you are. KG does great sometimes...not so great other times. I think catering to them is a hinderance to the team. Big picture. Not just for this season or next season, but all in all.

Everyone holds on to what they did in 2008. And they were great then. Watching those highlights is great! But in 2013...no.

[badshar]

the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.

You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

no
i want them to go because they're being loyal to each other and not the rest of the team like a jeff green, rondo, or whomever will be there next year. it's essentially 'if u go, i go'...'if they rebuild, im out'
which is fine, but when running an organization that leads to diff ideas and angles on how things are run.

,b]this is the EAST.[/b] The bucks made it to 8th spot like 4 games under 500. I don't think we'll be great, but I think we will play competitively. We're not winning a ring WITH Paul and KG, esp as long as the LBJs, KDs and etc are around. In all seriousness, we're ALL delusional.

I do have a problem with PP shooting as he did in the playoffs. He's the #1 option. We make fun of guys who shoot those type of percentages. Oh but because it's Paul, it's a non-issue? Haven't even seen one thread dedicated to it, but when anyone else has a poor game, they're blasted.

Paul had an awful series. He has a poor attitude towards a rebuild which is what we NEED. Let him go. Let KG follow. And if Doc wants to as well, let him.

EXACTLY! This is the East, the weaker conference of the two. A team with a losing record can make the playoffs here because there aren't many good teams in the East.

The Bucks were 37-43. That is below .500, yet they still made the playoffs, because the East is a weak conference. There is a reason its so easy for the Heat to get to the Finals every year, because there is virtually no competition outside of a few teams who have been consistently getting injured lately.

aren't you proving my point?
somewhere else someone said they can see a team with a core of RR/AB/JG winning at most 38 games. I personally think there could be a max of 40 or 45, depending on what players work on in the offseason and how RR recovers.
Again, we are in the East. If the Bucks can get 8th, the Bulls can be 5th (and in the 2nd round), I'm not sure why we think the Cs can't be inbetween there minus two aging stars.
Stop being so sentimental. Just like guys 'stepped up' in the absence of Rondo, they'll do the same without PP and KG.
We will need a formidable big. Yes.

If we are going to underrate PP and KG and their importance to this team so much that we will say that others on this team will 'step up' and duplicate what PP and KG do for this team, then I don't know what else to say anymore.

i guess that's where we differ. I tend to think Paul, at least, is overrated HERE. 36% in the Playoffs is not what I want. IDC who you are. KG does great sometimes...not so great other times. I think catering to them is a hinderance to the team. Big picture. Not just for this season or next season, but all in all.

Everyone holds on to what they did in 2008. And they were great then. Watching those highlights is great! But in 2013...no.

This where you guys keep forgetting that we didn't have Rondo. Our whole offensive system hinges upon Rondo. When Rondo went down, we had to change our entire offense.

Pierce used to do it all until 2008 when he was the lone star and he was in his prime. Since then, he was almost never asked to put the team on his back, except for 2009 when KG went down and when Pierce was still in his prime.

Now in 2013, you are asking him put the team on his back again and duplicate the numbers that he was putting when was in his prime?

You should be happy that you have Pierce. He was having a bad game in Game 6 and he realized it. Hence he stopped shooting bricks after bricks and let others score. Compare that to Kobe and other stars and those guys will keep shooting until they get out of their slump.

If you want to get rid of Pierce just because he wasn't duplicating his performance from several years ago, then that is an awful reason.

[badshar]

the more Pierce and KG talk, the more I'm ready to let them go.

Again, I say, on paper, DA did a fair job. We haven't had a back up PG for Rondo in forever. It's not a big deal until he goes down for an injury. We didn't have a real big last year, but still got to the ECF. Then DA brought in pieces for cheap, which just happened to get njured or not played, which left us in a pickle.

The addition of Sully and Rondo next year immediately makes us better. Keeping and DEVELOPING T-Will in the offseason instantly makes us better.

In the meantime, PP, KG and even Doc are acting like they are playing for EACH OTHER and not for the CELTICS team. I'm not the biggest fan of that and quite frankly, I think it's holding the entire organization back.  Let them go. We will suck for a while, but I think, with the pieces we have and some good additions, we will be fine.

You and others like you are the reason we are going to break the NBA record in sucking next year if Pierce and KG leave.
Rondo won't be at full for much of next year.
Without Pierce and KG, you want Jeff Green to take this team to the playoffs? Are you serious?

You just being delusional.

So two guys who are probably among the two most loyal players of all time, you want them to go because they are not dropping 30 every game and because you like watching Jeff Green more and think he is cooler?

Wow, I am speechless.

you are the one who is delusional if you think PP and KG are going to lead us anywhere besides the 1st or 2nd round.

it's over!

time to rebuild around Rondo,Green, Sully , and Bradley

NO, lol, you are delusional.

Anyways, tell me the place where I said "Pierce and KG will lead us."

You guys just want to get rid of PP and KG because they are old. You people are delusional because you think Green will lead us just because he had that one 43 point game against the Heat.

Celtics aren't getting anywhere without the services of PP and KG. This team has continuously posted for several years the worst defensive rating when KG sits on the bench and you want to completely get rid of him?

Are you stupid?

You are comparing Green to PP? Green is not a superstar and will not be on the same level as that of Pierce. Even if he does, he will never have that championship experience.

Again, are you stupid?

Rondo, Green, Sully and Bradley all complementary players. Neither one of them is LeBron, Durant or Kobe who can single-handedly dominate and win games for the team. PP and KG don't have to go for us to win. That is the stupidest logic I have heard. Rondo was injured. Sully was injured.

Did you seriously expect us to win it all when we had to change our entire offensive system midway because our starting point guard went down?

Don't give me this "we need to rebuild" nonsense. This team will not rebuild from the draft. You are ignorant if you don't know that you only win in this league by having superstars on your teams. Danny Ainge understands that and that is why we won in 2008.

If we try to rebuild through the draft, we will end up like the Bobcats and Cavaliers. If that is what you want, then you are more of an idiot than a true fan.

You have to be extremely lucky to do what OKC did and that requires tanking, which we will not do.

Then what do you propose?
He's saying if we keep Pierce and KG we are just going to prolong the inevitable re-tool or re-build and they aren't good enough to get us a championship anymore.
Do you think they are good enough to get us a championship?

What is your plan for this team to win banner 18? Because it's 90% not happening with KG and Pierce on this team.

That is not true at all. This is where most Celtics fans get lost. You and others are saying we need to trade Pierce and KG to win a banner. So does that mean trading them for a bunch of role players will get us a banner?

Not player that you can trade KG and Pierce for will return exactly the same or more value to this team.

People want to trade Pierce and KG just because they are old which makes them think they can't win a banner. That is not true. We got bounced this year because we were missing Rondo, our most effective player.

If Thunder had lost Durant to ACL this year and got bounced in the first round or if Heat lost LeBron to ACL this year and got bounced in the first round, so would they then need to get rid of Wade, Bosh etc. because they can't carry the team? No, its because your best player went down.

Tell me which player in the NBA can you get in a trade that is as smart on defense as KG? Tell me which player in the NBA can you get in a trade that is as smart in every part of his game as Pierce?

Also, you ask me how can we win? I already gave a solution in another thread and I will give it here again.

Get someone signed and traded for Bass and Lee/Crawford/Bradley. Those players are far less productive than either KG or Pierce.

Get Big Al. They will most likely lose him anyways, so trade our bench players for him and give KG some rest so he can be more effective and under less pressure at all times to perform well. Try sign and trade for Josh Smith.

There are many free agents this summer who we can get and they would be very effective.

Absolutely none of them, however, will replace what KG and Pierce give to this team.

Why are we hell-bent on trading or getting rid Pierce and KG? They are producing fine for us. Why do we not want to trade Bass, Lee, Crawford etc. who are extremely inconsistent and not producing much?

The point is to improve this team, not just take out the good players and replace them with lesser good players.

You can't just look at the stat sheet and base every decision on it. The stat sheet does not tell the entire story.

[kgainez]

badshar,
ure misinformed
i'm not saying to trade PP for a banner. It's not happening.
And again, you're being sentimental.
I should be glad to have Paul? I mean, he's great....but in every other month he's shooting 40+% from the field. All of a sudden in the playoffs its like what happened? And I still happen to think Paul took some pretty ill-advised shot. Mainly that 3 in the last couple seconds of the game...he was wide open and so was the lane, but he took the 3. SMH

i'm just not sure how you see us able to get a ring with aging stars who should probably be sixth men at this point.

[badshar]

badshar,
ure misinformed
i'm not saying to trade PP for a banner. It's not happening.
And again, you're being sentimental.
I should be glad to have Paul? I mean, he's great....but in every other month he's shooting 40+% from the field. All of a sudden in the playoffs its like what happened? And I still happen to think Paul took some pretty ill-advised shot. Mainly that 3 in the last couple seconds of the game...he was wide open and so was the lane, but he took the 3. SMH

i'm just not sure how you see us able to get a ring with aging stars who should probably be sixth men at this point.

Green took exactly the same 3 which was a transition 3, even worse. Lane was more open for Green than Pierce and had Green not slowed down and taken the off balance three which was way off, then he could have driven in and had a simple and easy dunk.

[kgainez]

badshar,
ure misinformed
i'm not saying to trade PP for a banner. It's not happening.
And again, you're being sentimental.
I should be glad to have Paul? I mean, he's great....but in every other month he's shooting 40+% from the field. All of a sudden in the playoffs its like what happened? And I still happen to think Paul took some pretty ill-advised shot. Mainly that 3 in the last couple seconds of the game...he was wide open and so was the lane, but he took the 3. SMH

i'm just not sure how you see us able to get a ring with aging stars who should probably be sixth men at this point.

Green took exactly the same 3 which was a transition 3, even worse. Lane was more open for Green than Pierce and had Green not slowed down and taken the off balance three which was way off, then he could have driven in and had a simple and easy dunk.

my point was PP still takes ill advised shots. In that game, he shot 4 for 18 from the field, 1-9 from the 3. he took the most shots in the game. the theory that he knew he was shooting poorly so stopped is off-base.