How hard is it to get Big Al for next year?

[Who]

I think a lot of it depends on whether Utah wants Jeff Green or not.

So we are assuming that we will trade Jeff Green?

How else are you going to get Big Al?

Maybe a three way deal for Paul Pierce with Pierce going to somewhere like the Dallas Mavericks and a trade exception heading back to Utah. Throw in a draft pick.

I don't see any point in going after Big Al if Garnett isn't here to minimize Big Al's weaknesses defensively. It would have to be Pierce.

Or Rondo.

One thing I proposed in another thread was...

Bradley, Bass, Terry, 16th pick for Jefferson (12m S&T)

Why for us: obvious.
Why for Utah: they are letting Favors and Kanter take over anyways, and they need quality guards. Bradley and Terry fit the bill; Bass is a solid backup big, and they take a decent PG with the 16th.

Is this still not enough?

I don't think that will be enough. Utah eating too much payroll in Bass and Terry.

Utah have a lot of cap space this summer. They would be forgoing those free agents in order to give that money to Bass + Terry instead. And not just this summer either. They would be passing on the 2014 Free Agency pool as well which sounds like a very good free agent class.

It costs them too many opportunities both this summer and next. Not receiving enough value to make that worthwhile.

[fandrew]

I think that if he takes a rondo like deal, 11 mil, we could trade bass and terry. And I also think that in our system his defensive liabilities may lessen a bit. That said, I think that if we do take him, I would want KG as his back up and to train him up and put a fire under his ass. Also, I don't see him taking 11 mil a year if he can do better, and I also see him walking from Utah because I do not see Utah spending cap space for a guy they don't need.

[fandrew]

I don't think that will be enough. Utah eating too much payroll in Bass and Terry.

Utah have a lot of cap space this summer. They would be forgoing those free agents in order to give that money to Bass + Terry instead. And not just this summer either. They would be passing on the 2014 Free Agency pool as well which sounds like a very good free agent class.

It costs them too many opportunities both this summer and next. Not receiving enough value to make that worthwhile.

Bass and Terry are reasonable pick ups though. And just because they have the cap space, does not mean that they can actually afford a high priced free agent. That said, I don't see Utah doing us any favors, so I think that the 16th pick would have to be part of a Terry, Bass trade for a slightly cheaper Al Jefferson. And even then, they might get better deals by teams who want Al for his scoring.

[goCeltics]

If paul stays at 15 mil very hard we need to be below the apron and stay below the apron to do a sign and trade, we could possibly waive paul resign him to the mle and then try to do a sign and trade for big al for sonething like lee, melo and dj white and stay below the apron depending on what the cap is next year

Alternative package could be bass and bradley

[badshar]

If paul stays at 15 mil very hard we need to be below the apron and stay below the apron to do a sign and trade, we could possibly waive paul resign him to the mle and then try to do a sign and trade for big al for sonething like lee, melo and dj white and stay below the apron depending on what the cap is next year

Alternative package could be bass and bradley

Is that even possible? Plus, if we waive him, wouldn't he have to clear waivers first and then be able to resign with us? Some team would claim him by then.

If that is possible, I am more than for it.

[CelticConcourse]

Why trade Jeff Green to Utah? Would Utah led Millsap go as well? Doesn't seem right to me.

[badshar]

Why trade Jeff Green to Utah? Would Utah led Millsap go as well? Doesn't seem right to me.

I doubt they led Milsap go.

Plus, Big Al is a free agent and he said he would be willing to come here if the situation comes.
That means, Danny and/or Doc or one of the players on this team has to contact him and ask him to come here or try to recruit him.

[CoachBo]

Hopefully, very difficult.

[fandrew]

If paul stays at 15 mil very hard we need to be below the apron and stay below the apron to do a sign and trade, we could possibly waive paul resign him to the mle and then try to do a sign and trade for big al for sonething like lee, melo and dj white and stay below the apron depending on what the cap is next year

Alternative package could be bass and bradley

Is that even possible? Plus, if we waive him, wouldn't he have to clear waivers first and then be able to resign with us? Some team would claim him by then.

If that is possible, I am more than for it.

I think that we would lose PP if we tried that. I think you said it, he would have to clear waivers. Also, I am not sure if other teams are as high on Bradley as we are right now. That and Bradley does not make enough to work in a trade. That is why Bass and Terry/Lee would work if Al is fine taking a little less (11 mil instead of 15 mil) in the first year of his contract--then PP would be off the books and we would be a lot closer to the salary cap. A lot of things would have to go right to get Big Al, and keep PP, KG, Rondo, Green, Sully, and AB.

[badshar]

If paul stays at 15 mil very hard we need to be below the apron and stay below the apron to do a sign and trade, we could possibly waive paul resign him to the mle and then try to do a sign and trade for big al for sonething like lee, melo and dj white and stay below the apron depending on what the cap is next year

Alternative package could be bass and bradley

Is that even possible? Plus, if we waive him, wouldn't he have to clear waivers first and then be able to resign with us? Some team would claim him by then.

If that is possible, I am more than for it.

I think that we would lose PP if we tried that. I think you said it, he would have to clear waivers. Also, I am not sure if other teams are as high on Bradley as we are right now. That and Bradley does not make enough to work in a trade. That is why Bass and Terry/Lee would work if Al is fine taking a little less (11 mil instead of 15 mil) in the first year of his contract--then PP would be off the books and we would be a lot closer to the salary cap. A lot of things would have to go right to get Big Al, and keep PP, KG, Rondo, Green, Sully, and AB.

Does Big Al really think he should be making 15 million?

[Who]

I think Big Al will get around $12-13 million.

[SHAQATTACK]

NO AL


Milsap ...YES

[krook]

NO AL


Milsap ...YES

we don't need undersize 6'8
we need height to move kg back at pf

[Geo123]

It would be pretty difficult. The CBA forbids any team with a total salary higher than the tax level to complete a sign and trade transaction, and the C's will be around $73 mil if PP/KG stay. The luxury tax is estimated to be around $71 mil next season and assuming Al's asking price is $14-15 mil a year, the Celtics would have to shed most if not all of that. So Green + Lee/Terry would probably be the most realistic option.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm certainly not an expert when it comes to understanding the CBA. 

you could get Big Al for Rajon Rondo.  The Jazz could use a quality PG... but the Jazz would have some reservations about it since Rondo is coming off major ACL surgery and is still 6-9 months away from even being able to run.

Beyond that, I see no realistic way to land Big Al.

The Jazz would not even hesitate to make that deal. If the choice is to let Big Al go for nothing or Rondo, they pick the 2nd option every single time.

They aren't going to get anything close to that value anywhere else. With so many teams under the cap next year, Al will have plenty of destinations to choose from, and the Jazz will have no choice but to let him walk.

... the jazz could just re-sign Big Al and move one of their young pieces instead (Favors or Kanter)... Big al hasn't said he wants out... there's no reason they need to trade him.   There's certainly no reason they need to trade him for a top 10 PG coming off major ACL surgery who might not even play next season.

A top 10 PG?  Come on now. He was an all star and last time I knew they don't choose 7 or 8 other PG's to be on the all star team. 

Plus where did you hear he may not play next year?  The average recovery time for an ACL surgery is more like 10 to 12 months not 18 unless you're DRose...

[Geo123]

Now answering the question on the topic, to me it would have to involve a third team.  The Jazz aren't just going to give him away for the package we would have to offer.  You would need to get a team like the Clips involved and get Bledsoe to the Jazz, a young PG.  With Kanter and Favors (and maybe Milsap) they don't need another big.