Give me your offseason plan...get creative but keep it realistic

[bfrombleacher]

A point often overlooked on here it seems:
Jeff Green owns the rights to Chris Bosh and Al Jefferson.

Since Jeff Green is under contract with us, by default we also have the rights to said bigs.

With the oh so enhanced frontcourt, I reckon we ride it out.

[celticsleyte]

I would try to get a pick for the rights to Pierce before the draft.  If we can not get a deal I pay the buy out and let him go.  We can not afford 25 million at quick forward position.

If KG wants to stick around I am glad to have him but I am not trying for any win now moves with this roster.

I am keeping Rondo and Bradley and Sully.
I keep Green unless I am blown away with an offer.

I am OK with Bass. If some team will overpay because of an injury I am happy to trade him for a pick but I like guys who are in their prime.

I want to move Jet and want a MLE big that did not work out for another team and has two years or less left on his deal.  I can hope right?

If we can get a scoring wing in the draft I would look to move Lee.  Otherwise I give him another chance to impress.  He is not a bad player.

Fab has little trade value so we keep him and try to coach him up.

T. Williams is worth bringing back on his short money deal, same with Shav.

J. Crawford can stick around and fight for playing time as his contract is guaranteed but would trade him for a first rounder any day of the week.
 
DJ White probably would not make the team if Doc does not want to play him.
I would be happy to start the season with thirteen players... fourteen tops.

If Rondo is on the D. Rose timetable it could be a tough season but I am not looking to do anything in Free Agency that ties up future salary. Vet Min only this year.  In the draft I go best player available with a slight bias towards good offense.

[chambers]

I'm wondering if Danny has a plan to let KG have ankle surgery to get rid of the bone spurs while Rondo is recovering from his injury.

As part of a single season mini tank, KG comes back after a year of rest/recovery. Gets his body 100%. We then sign another max free agent to go with Rondo, Green, KG and pick up a lottery pick.
Pierce re-signs on the cheap after re-negotiating his deal and plays the man off the bench while Green starts.

We tank this upcoming season while KG and Rondo recover. Pierce can take the year off too. Grab a lottery pick after missing the playoffs (hope for a top 5 pick)and then sign some free agents in the stacked 2014-15 free agent class.
Jeff Green, Avery and Sully will all build their trade value while our vets rest and recover. We could Turn Green, Sully and Bradley into some serious picks or trade pieces.
I believe after a year that KG would be just as good, if not better patrolling the paint after some recovery and fixing the bone spurs.

Come back in 2014-15 with:

*Rondo
*Free agent shooting guard (Klay Thompson is who I want)
*Lottery pick small forward
*Sully or free agent power forward
*KG

Pierce off the bench as 6th man on the cheap.

[connor]

Assuming KG and PP are willing to be moved:

1)Trade Garnett to the Clippers for Eric Bledsoe, Caron Butler, Clippers 2013 and 2014 first rounders.
2) Trade Green, Bradley, Bledsoe, Melo to the Kings for Cousins and Evans
3) Trade Pierce, Lee, 2014 Clippers first rounder to Warriors for Barnes, Biedrins and Jefferson
4) Trade Bass and Celtics' 2013 first rounder to Nuggets for Mozgov and Randolph

C: Cousins, Mozgov, Shav
PF: Sully, Randolph, Biedrins
SF: Barnes, Butler, Jefferson (Giannis, stashed with 2013 Clippers first)
SG: Evans, Crawford, Terry
PG: Rondo, T-will

Extremely young and talented starting 5 and some solid depth. Plus with Biedrins, Butler and Jefferson's contracts expiring you can afford to extend Cousins and Rondo when needed. Its not a championship team, but its young, fun and has boatloads of potential. 

[lantinm]

1. Amnesty Pierce, so that his 15.3 million cap # will reduce our cap from 76 million to 61 million.
2. Garnett will most likely retire once that happens, so his 12.4 million cap # will reduce our cap figure to 48 million.
3. Trade the #16 pick and Avery Bradley to a team in the six through nine range (Sac, Det, Wash, Minny) and select Shabazz Muhammed.
4. Trade Courtney Lee and to the Wolves (they were rumored to be interested in him a few times this year) for Luke Ridnour and Dante Cunningham.  Since we'll be under the cap, we can absorb the 1.1 million difference.
5. Trade Jason Terry to OKC for Nick Collison, Thabeet, and Deandre Liggins.
6. Sign Josh Smith with the 12-14 mill in cap space to a five year - 70 mill deal.
7. Trade Jordan Crawford or offer cash for a pick in the 20's and select Tim Hardaway Jr.
8. Trade Fab Melo for a 2nd-round pick and select Myck Kabongo, Isaiah Canaan, or Nate Wolters

Starters -

C - Jared Sullinger
PF - Josh Smith
SF - Jeff Green
SG - Shabazz Muhammed
PG - Rajon Rondo

Bench (6-10)

C - Nick Collison
PF - Brandon Bass
SF - Terrance Williams
SG - Tim Hardwaway Jr.
PG - Luke Ridnour

Bench (11-15)

C - Hasheem Thabeet
PF - Shav Randolph
PF/SF - Dante Cunningham
SG/SF - DeAndre Liggins
PG - Wolters/Kabongo/Canaan

Hello Perpetual mediocrity!  That team wins 25-38 games.

25-38 games? A Green,Rondo, and Sully core is worth 25 wins alone. I not only added Josh Smith, but arguably both the most talented and NBA-ready prospect in Muhammed. I also fortified the bench as well. At least my post/plan was semi-realistic. No offense, but some of the trades you proposed wouldn't even go through on a video game with the AI turned off.

I'm sorry, but no... that's not true.  People drastically underestimate how terrible we were without KG on the floor.  Pierce has been our most dangerous scorer.  Even WITh those two + Jeff Green + Rondo + Sully, we were a BELOW .500 TEAM ... We were 20-23 when Rondo went out with an injury.  And you people are telling me we can replace Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett with Josh freakin Smith and it's going to produce a contender? 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPSxTDJeQ9I

... the rare Truman/Hodgson Condescending combo... I don't break that one out often.  lol jk

About the only thing I can give you credit for in this thread is for breaking out a Truman reference. While I cannot argue too much that we were worse defensively with Garnett off the floor, I think that you underestimate what Josh Smith can bring defensively.  He's a very good shot-blocker and defensive-rebounder.  He's also an above-average one-on-one defender as well.  I think many of our defensive shortcomings can be cured by two things:  Getting more offensive boards (which limits our opponents from getting more possessions and taking more shots) and defensive rebounding (which of course limits opponents second shots).

As Pat Riley once said: "No Rebounds, No Rings". The starting five I proposed potentially has two players (Sully and Smith) who could get a double-double every night.  Rondo, Green, and Muhammed are all capable of grabbing 4-5 boards a game as well.  The emphasis (mainly on this site) put on defensive rotations is no doubt important, but they mean nothing if we can't grab boards when we need to.

[LarBrd33]

PSA...  Jeff Green is bigger than josh smith

[perks-a-beast]

#1. Give Pierce and KG one more run with Rondo.

#2. Draft Gorgui Dieng with the #16 pick (major defensive potential)

#3. Sign and trade Bass and Lee to Portland for J.J. Hickson (3 years, 30 mill)

#4. Make Bradley, Williams, and Crawford practice their shots like there is no tomorow.

#5 Sign Barbosa and Pietrus to the minimum.

RONDO/ TERRY/ BARBOSA
BRADLEY/ WILLIAMS/ CRAWFORD
PIERCE/ GREEN/ PIETRUS
SULLY/ HICKSON/ WHITE
GANRETT/ DIENG/ MELO

[KGs Knee]

PSA...  Jeff Green is bigger than josh smith

They're listed at the same height, Green is supposedly 10 lbs heavier (not sure I believe this).  Not sure exactly what your point is.

Smith defends PFs far better, though, and is a better and more versatile defender overall.  It's also my opinion Smith is just a better player in general, but, I don't necessarily think the difference in talent is worth the difference in pay.

[BballTim]

PSA...  Jeff Green is bigger than josh smith

  He certainly doesn't play bigger than Josh Smith. That's like saying Bargnani is bigger than Howard. True but not really meaningful.

[ianboyextreme]

Sort out Paul and KG's situations.

Find a legit backup center either through draft or free agency.

Get ready for an exciting new era with Rondo, Jeff, Avery, and Sully.

[nickagneta]

1. Release Paul Pierce and then immediately re-sign him at $5 million for one year with a no trade clause. That nets Pierce $10 million for this year. This is huge because it will allow for the C's to add some salary and should allow them to be able to use the MLE.

2. This should get KG to play one more year. Tell both, this is the last year of their run here. What they do after this year is up to them but this is their last in Boston.

3. This leaves

KG - $12.4 million
Pierce - $10 million
Rondo - $11.9 million
Green - $8.9 million
Bass $6.4 million
Lee - $5.2 million
Terry - $5.2 million
Bradley $2.5 million
Crawford - $2.1 million
Sullinger $1.3 million
Melo - $1.3 million
1st round pick - $1.4 million @ #16 if no trade up - $2.0 million @ pick #10-12

That's $68.6 - $69.2 million in guaranteed deals for 12 players.

It leaves the following players as non-guaranteed contracts:

Williams - $0.9 million
Randolph - $1.1 million
White - $1.0 million

If those contracts go guaranteed then getting to add anyone is impossible without releasing a player and eating salary or trades.

4. Trade up in this year's draft trading your #16 and cash and a 2nd rounder in 2014 or 2015 for a pick high enough to land Michael Carter-Williams who I believe will be one of the steals of this draft.

5. Trade Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and the 3 non-guaranteed deals to the Lakers for Pau Gasol. This allows LA to amnesty Metta World Peace, gets them a young SF going forward, a PF to replace Gasol and after they cut the non-guaranteed contracts. This saves the Lakers $4.5 million in the deal and the money they had owed MWP, $7.7 million. This cuts $12.2 million off their salary next year and tremendously reduces their tax bill, maybe by $30 million

6. Trade Jason Terry to OKC for the non-guaranteed deals of Hasheem Thabeet, Daniel Orton and DeAndre Liggins and for signed and traded Ronnie Brewer where the only guaranteed year of the sign and trade is the first at somewhere near $2 million a year. Immediately release Thabeet, Orton and Liggins for salary savings. This basically allows OKC to add a Kevin Martin replacement without adding any salary.

7. Updating, this leaves:

KG - $12.4 million
Pierce - $10 million
Rondo - $11.9 million
Gasol - $19.2 million
Lee - $5.2 million
Brewer - $2.0 million
Bradley $2.5 million
Crawford - $2.1 million
Sullinger $1.3 million
Melo - $1.3 million
Carter-Williams - $2.0 million

11 players at $69.9 million which should allow the MLE.

8. Sign Samuel Dalembert to a vet minimum contract

9. Sign Mike Dunleavy to a MLE contract of 3 years at $5 million a year

10. Sign some rookie free agent, NBDL player, overseas player or some other regular free agent to a min contract.

That gives us a starting five of KG, Gasol, Pierce, Bradley, Rondo.

KG will be limited to 25 minutes per game, Pierce and Gasol will be limited to 30-31 MPG. This will be by design to save them for the playoffs and prevent wear and tear of injuries.

Sully and Dalembert will get substantial time up front. Dunleavy will see good time at the backup SF position. Lee, Crawford and Carter-Williams see minutes at the back up guard spots. Brewer and the last vet min free agent are the deep bench. Melo goes back to the NBDL for more seasoning.


Now before everyone goes nuts and says this is not a championship contending team, I say, you are right. But there is nothing we will be doing that will get us a ring next year. I am hoping this team wins 45-50 games and ends up with about the 18-20th pick in the draft in 2014 which should guarantee an excellent future building block. That wasn't the point of all this. This was.
 
After next year Gasol, Garnett(retirement), Pierce, Brewer, Dalembert and the vet min come off the books. That will be $46 million coming off the approximate $77 million 2013-14 payroll leaving young guys and only $33 million(I am including the 2014 draft pick) in payroll guaranteed for 2014 with some intriguing names possibly available in the RFA and UFA market, as well as the trade market using your cap space. If no one of significance signs then, suck in 2014-15, draft high and keep looking to use the cap space to trade for or sign a franchise player.

You see this is about rebuilding in the future not for next year.

[AB_Celtic]

Great post, nick. Very well-thought-out. I don't see many holes in it, and I hope the Celtics do something like it.

It may be just me, but I feel like we haven't done anything truly substantial since KG and Ray came to town. Now is the time to do something substantial.

[BballTim]

1. Release Paul Pierce and then immediately re-sign him at $5 million for one year with a no trade clause. That nets Pierce $10 million for this year. This is huge because it will allow for the C's to add some salary and should allow them to be able to use the MLE.

  I'd be pretty surprised if the Celts could re-sign PP if they get rid of him.

[rondohondo]

1. Release Paul Pierce and then immediately re-sign him at $5 million for one year with a no trade clause. That nets Pierce $10 million for this year. This is huge because it will allow for the C's to add some salary and should allow them to be able to use the MLE.

  I'd be pretty surprised if the Celts could re-sign PP if they get rid of him.

they can't

no offense to nick, but not a very well thought out scenario...

[BballTim]

1. Release Paul Pierce and then immediately re-sign him at $5 million for one year with a no trade clause. That nets Pierce $10 million for this year. This is huge because it will allow for the C's to add some salary and should allow them to be able to use the MLE.

  I'd be pretty surprised if the Celts could re-sign PP if they get rid of him.

they can't

no offense to nick, but not a very well thought out scenario...

  It was based on a flawed premise but it was pretty well thought out.