Revisiting the Perk for Green trade......

[Kane3387]

People always ignore rondo and his dislocated elbow. Wade was taking him down regardless if whether it was perk or Jeff as his teammate.

Once rondo got hurt our title hopes were finished.

[SparzWizard]

If anything we could've traded Ray Allen instead of Perk! Lol

Now that guy betrayed us. Perk, on the other hand was betrayed by Danny! But I guess I am very content about the deal these days. Still lacking some true backup Centers though.

[Yogi]

If anything we could've traded Ray Allen instead of Perk! Lol

Now that guy betrayed us. Perk, on the other hand was betrayed by Danny! But I guess I am very content about the deal these days. Still lacking some true backup Centers though.

Yes.  Perk was betrayed to 9 mil/year and starting player on a trip to the NBA finals...  He was initially sad to leave his teammates but it's not like he was traded to the Bobcats.  It was a trade that was a win for everyone involved.  Even Nate and Nenad have done well for themselves...

[badshar]

I 'm a Perk fan , but he was worthless last night against Houston.  Fab Melo could actually done more I believe.  Perk moved like he is 95 years old.

If we had just kept Perk the rest of that year , then traded I'd been more happy.

Water under the bridge now and better off with Green.


OKC had kept Green and Hardin , they would be unstoppable .

Uhm, there is a reason OKC and their frontline was consistently getting destroyed. The year Perkins came, Thunder went to WCF, next year they went straight to the finals where Scott Brooks completely demolished the point and the use of having a big man and this year they were supposed to go straight to the finals again until Westbrook went down.

Before Perkins, they were consistently a first or second round exit team.

[Interceptor]

Give Ibaka a little bit of credit for improving along the way.

[Moranis]

I 'm a Perk fan , but he was worthless last night against Houston.  Fab Melo could actually done more I believe.  Perk moved like he is 95 years old.

If we had just kept Perk the rest of that year , then traded I'd been more happy.

Water under the bridge now and better off with Green.


OKC had kept Green and Hardin , they would be unstoppable .

Uhm, there is a reason OKC and their frontline was consistently getting destroyed. The year Perkins came, Thunder went to WCF, next year they went straight to the finals where Scott Brooks completely demolished the point and the use of having a big man and this year they were supposed to go straight to the finals again until Westbrook went down.

Before Perkins, they were consistently a first or second round exit team.

That had almost nothing to do with Perkins, it was the continued development of Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka. 

[CelticConcourse]

PG: Westbrook
SG: Harden
SF: Durant
PF: Green
C: Ibaka

Speaking of by far the best starting lineup in the league...

[Moranis]

PG: Westbrook
SG: Harden
SF: Durant
PF: Green
C: Ibaka

Speaking of by far the best starting lineup in the league...

Not to mention whoever they would have taken with the pick they gave up, Sefolosha, Collison, and they still might have Krstic as well.  Of course the salary from that starting line up would be the largest in basketball and OKC was never going to pay all that money so they had to make moves.

[Cman]

I wish the trade never happened, if only to not see these threads pop up any time one of the two has a good game and the other have a bad game.

Ditto.

Yet I can't help clicking the the threads when they pop up. ARGH!

Or commenting, thereby bumping them up the list. ARGH!

[badshar]

I 'm a Perk fan , but he was worthless last night against Houston.  Fab Melo could actually done more I believe.  Perk moved like he is 95 years old.

If we had just kept Perk the rest of that year , then traded I'd been more happy.

Water under the bridge now and better off with Green.


OKC had kept Green and Hardin , they would be unstoppable .

Uhm, there is a reason OKC and their frontline was consistently getting destroyed. The year Perkins came, Thunder went to WCF, next year they went straight to the finals where Scott Brooks completely demolished the point and the use of having a big man and this year they were supposed to go straight to the finals again until Westbrook went down.

Before Perkins, they were consistently a first or second round exit team.

That had almost nothing to do with Perkins, it was the continued development of Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka.

Not true at all. If you watched OKC games before Perkins arrived and when Green played PF, you could see that other teams attacked the paint at will. With Perkins, there was a  toughness and a legit front court added to the team. As a result, the other teams started holding back a little instead of freely attacking the post.

[Fafnir]

Perkins serves a valuable purpose, to protect Ibaka from physical players and otherwise be a solid role playing defensive center.

Getting rid of Green allowed them to pay and play Ibaka as much as his potential warranted. Definitely a great move for the Thunder.

That doesn't mean they haven't put Perkins on the court too much at times. Its one of the problems I have with Brooks coaching.

[BballTim]

I 'm a Perk fan , but he was worthless last night against Houston.  Fab Melo could actually done more I believe.  Perk moved like he is 95 years old.

If we had just kept Perk the rest of that year , then traded I'd been more happy.

Water under the bridge now and better off with Green.


OKC had kept Green and Hardin , they would be unstoppable .

Uhm, there is a reason OKC and their frontline was consistently getting destroyed. The year Perkins came, Thunder went to WCF, next year they went straight to the finals where Scott Brooks completely demolished the point and the use of having a big man and this year they were supposed to go straight to the finals again until Westbrook went down.

Before Perkins, they were consistently a first or second round exit team.

That had almost nothing to do with Perkins, it was the continued development of Durant, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka.

  The main reason they made the trade was to bring in a center so they could play Ibaka at pf with a center instead of playing Ibaka at center and Green at pf. That wasn't working out very well for them.

[CoachBo]

I 'm a Perk fan , but he was worthless last night against Houston.  Fab Melo could actually done more I believe.  Perk moved like he is 95 years old.

If we had just kept Perk the rest of that year , then traded I'd been more happy.

Water under the bridge now and better off with Green.


OKC had kept Green and Hardin , they would be unstoppable .

Uhm, there is a reason OKC and their frontline was consistently getting destroyed. The year Perkins came, Thunder went to WCF, next year they went straight to the finals where Scott Brooks completely demolished the point and the use of having a big man and this year they were supposed to go straight to the finals again until Westbrook went down.

Before Perkins, they were consistently a first or second round exit team.

So Perkins - not the development of Durant and/or Westbrook - elevated the Thunder to a championship contender?

Over the years on this board, I've seen the skills of any number of "beloved" Celtics conflated beyond logic.

But this one is an all-timer.

Wow. Just wow.

[badshar]

I 'm a Perk fan , but he was worthless last night against Houston.  Fab Melo could actually done more I believe.  Perk moved like he is 95 years old.

If we had just kept Perk the rest of that year , then traded I'd been more happy.

Water under the bridge now and better off with Green.


OKC had kept Green and Hardin , they would be unstoppable .

Uhm, there is a reason OKC and their frontline was consistently getting destroyed. The year Perkins came, Thunder went to WCF, next year they went straight to the finals where Scott Brooks completely demolished the point and the use of having a big man and this year they were supposed to go straight to the finals again until Westbrook went down.

Before Perkins, they were consistently a first or second round exit team.

So Perkins - not the development of Durant and/or Westbrook - elevated the Thunder to a championship contender?

Over the years on this board, I've seen the skills of any number of "beloved" Celtics conflated beyond logic.

But this one is an all-timer.

Wow. Just wow.

Calling me and my logic stupid before even knowing it completely makes you 10 times more stupid than you think I am.

When did I say Perkins single-handedly put the Thunder over the top? When did I say the improvements of Harden, Durant and Westbrook had nothing to do with it? Did I say that anywhere? Please point it to me where I said that. I am waiting for it...Still waiting...The fact is that Perkins filled a huge hole which, had he not filled, then OKC would have gotten destroyed unless you think Serge Ibaka and a much less developed Jeff Green can handle the premier physical bigs in this league down low.

Of course the three players' development had major part in taking them to the Finals and improving the team, but the initial reply by "Moranis" completely discredited Perkins and made it seem as though he made no difference to that team whatsoever. That team would not have gone to the Finals and improve to the point where it is now if Green was still the starting PF and Ibaka was still the starting C.

Next time, before you stand up and spit out your garbage about my opinion being "conflated beyond logic" and calling it things like "an all-timer" in terms of stupidity, think 5 times.

Its better to think than to start blabbering without knowing everything.

[BballTim]

I 'm a Perk fan , but he was worthless last night against Houston.  Fab Melo could actually done more I believe.  Perk moved like he is 95 years old.

If we had just kept Perk the rest of that year , then traded I'd been more happy.

Water under the bridge now and better off with Green.


OKC had kept Green and Hardin , they would be unstoppable .

Uhm, there is a reason OKC and their frontline was consistently getting destroyed. The year Perkins came, Thunder went to WCF, next year they went straight to the finals where Scott Brooks completely demolished the point and the use of having a big man and this year they were supposed to go straight to the finals again until Westbrook went down.

Before Perkins, they were consistently a first or second round exit team.

So Perkins - not the development of Durant and/or Westbrook - elevated the Thunder to a championship contender?

Over the years on this board, I've seen the skills of any number of "beloved" Celtics conflated beyond logic.

But this one is an all-timer.

Wow. Just wow.

  Adding a center to the Thunder's starting lineup and moving Ibaka to pf instead of Ibaka trying to play center with Green as the pf made a big difference in OKC's lineup. It's about lineup dynamics, not the individual skill of Perkins.

  Kind of like in 2012 when the Celts (not both at once) moved Bass and Bradley into the lineup ahead of JO and Ray. Bass and AB made a big difference in the lineup, but not because they were great players. The lineup of Rondo with PP/KG/RA/JO was simply too old and unathletic to compete with the better teams in the league. Moving AB and Bass into the lineup allowed the Celts to become more competitive athletically while still keeping KG and PP in the starting lineup.

  So rest easy, that post wasn't a once in a lifetime level of overestimating Perk's skills, it's you not understanding his point.