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Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #75 on: April 30, 2013, 10:43:36 AM »

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I'll just echo what Chuck said over at RedsArmy:

"The Celtics looked like a poorly coached team . . . I'm not saying they are.  Just an observation."

  I'll be honest, I don't see how anyone can watch the Celts play and come to the conclusion that the Celts are a poorly coached team. I'm not saying that because of my observations watching the team, but my observations watching opposing teams. Some of the undisciplined play and the mental gaffes that you see on a regular basis are fairly mind-boggling.

Avery Bradley's continual inability to deliver an entry pass to the post being the most mind-boggling for me.

Or trying to pass the ball across the court and landing it in the 5th row...Also mind-boggling.

Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #76 on: April 30, 2013, 11:06:34 AM »

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I'll just echo what Chuck said over at RedsArmy:

"The Celtics looked like a poorly coached team . . . I'm not saying they are.  Just an observation."

  I'll be honest, I don't see how anyone can watch the Celts play and come to the conclusion that the Celts are a poorly coached team. I'm not saying that because of my observations watching the team, but my observations watching opposing teams. Some of the undisciplined play and the mental gaffes that you see on a regular basis are fairly mind-boggling.

Avery Bradley's continual inability to deliver an entry pass to the post being the most mind-boggling for me.

Or trying to pass the ball across the court and landing it in the 5th row...Also mind-boggling.
Players mess up, Harden threw 3 passes straight at thunder players in game 3.

Post entry passing is a skill that is in short supply in the NBA sadly. Rondo is really good at it, a huge asset for any big man that plays with him. I remember laughly hysterically at how hard a time the Magic had getting it to Dwight at times. None of their guards could throw it, had to be Turk to get it done.

Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #77 on: April 30, 2013, 11:10:22 AM »

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I can't imagine anyone watching the Celts and thinking that they are well coached. No adjustments and a look of "dear in the head lights" on both ends of the floor.
Woodson is owning Doc. Pierce posting up 18 feet out looks pretty easy to defend to me. When they went on the post Rondo run, they moved the ball. It was very simple and hard to cover. In the playoffs, they are very predictable. I like Doc, but he is not a good coach.

Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #78 on: April 30, 2013, 11:18:32 AM »

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Doc playing Avery Bradley at point guard tells you all you need to know about his coaching abilities. Avery Bradley cannot dribble or pass, yet Doc starts him at point guard. This is hilariously bad coaching.

Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #79 on: April 30, 2013, 11:21:01 AM »

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Doc playing Avery Bradley at point guard tells you all you need to know about his coaching abilities. Avery Bradley cannot dribble or pass, yet Doc starts him at point guard. This is hilariously bad coaching.

Who should he start at the point guard position instead?
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Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #80 on: April 30, 2013, 11:21:20 AM »

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Doc playing Avery Bradley at point guard tells you all you need to know about his coaching abilities. Avery Bradley cannot dribble or pass, yet Doc starts him at point guard. This is hilariously bad coaching.
Who would you rather have start? Terry, who is a huge downgrade defensively and sometimes makes sloppy passes.
Or Crawford? Watch him jack us out of a win right out of the gate?
Terrence Williams?

It's not Doc's fault that Rondo, and Barbosa tore their acls.
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Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #81 on: April 30, 2013, 11:22:25 AM »

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Doc playing Avery Bradley at point guard tells you all you need to know about his coaching abilities. Avery Bradley cannot dribble or pass, yet Doc starts him at point guard. This is hilariously bad coaching.

  If he played Avery at pg when he had a healthy Rondo it would be hilariously bad coaching. I'm sure many would find your alternatives with the current team to be fairly amusing as well.

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« Reply #82 on: April 30, 2013, 11:25:03 AM »

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I can't imagine anyone watching the Celts and thinking that they are well coached. No adjustments and a look of "dear in the head lights" on both ends of the floor.
Woodson is owning Doc. Pierce posting up 18 feet out looks pretty easy to defend to me. When they went on the post Rondo run, they moved the ball. It was very simple and hard to cover. In the playoffs, they are very predictable. I like Doc, but he is not a good coach.

  You could pretty much divide the board into two groups after Rondo's injury, the group that was gushing over our offense and the group that told them to wait until the playoffs when teams try harder on defense and the pace of the game is much slower.I'm guessing you were in the first group.

Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #83 on: April 30, 2013, 11:28:48 AM »

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The offense had a 1 month or a little more burst of being better, then it dropped back to being really bad.

Looking back it just looks like an artifact of the long season, especially given the number of bad defensive opponents and home games the C's had during that stretch

Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #84 on: April 30, 2013, 11:29:44 AM »

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I have never been a fan of Doc Rivers.  I have always found him to be a bit two faced, in that he will say one thing, but do something else.  I also believe his coaching prowess has been greatly overstated.  I wouldn't have minded him being fired years ago, but he isn't getting fired, and this season is almost all on Ainge and ownership for bringing back this aged group that just can't compete anymore (especially without Rondo).  It is hard to fire a coach when the roster is garbage. 
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« Reply #85 on: April 30, 2013, 11:34:21 AM »

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Doc playing Avery Bradley at point guard tells you all you need to know about his coaching abilities. Avery Bradley cannot dribble or pass, yet Doc starts him at point guard. This is hilariously bad coaching.

Who should he start at the point guard position instead?
exactly.  This is a problem of roster construction.  Boston has 0 PG's on the roster.  Has 0 players that can consistently hit an outside shot.  Has 0 players that can consistently beat their man off the dribble and get to the hole.  Has 0 players that can consistently post up and score from inside of 5 feet.  Boston's playoff roster is just not good.  The greatest coach in the world can not make this team a winner.

The run is over.  Celtics fans need to come to that conclusion.
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Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #86 on: April 30, 2013, 11:36:49 AM »

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Doc playing Avery Bradley at point guard tells you all you need to know about his coaching abilities. Avery Bradley cannot dribble or pass, yet Doc starts him at point guard. This is hilariously bad coaching.

Who should he start at the point guard position instead?

Every other guard on the team is better at dribbling and passing than Bradley. Seriously, every guard we have is better at doing those two things than the guy currently starting. Lee, Terry, Crawford, Williams, pick one it doesn't matter. Bradley can barely dribble past half court, often runs into his own teammates because he is so clumsy, and always makes two handed passes even when he shouldn't. Why would any coach in the NBA start a guy like Bradley at point guard? It's Docs fault for playing someone at point guard who has absolutely no business playing point guard. He might as well play Pierce at point guard. That would make more sense than what he's currently doing.

Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #87 on: April 30, 2013, 11:43:46 AM »

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He might as well play Pierce at point guard. That would make more sense than what he's currently doing.
If you compare how much Pierce handles the ball compared to Bradley, you'll find that he is playing Pierce at PG.

He just has Bradley bring up the ball much of the time, that's a choice based on perserving energy of veterans. You'll notice they also throw ahead to Pierce/Green/Bradley to bring it up depending on who's free or waiting for the ball.

Doc isn't using Bradley as a full time PG on offense, he's starting because of his defense at that position.

Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #88 on: April 30, 2013, 11:47:33 AM »

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He might as well play Pierce at point guard. That would make more sense than what he's currently doing.
If you compare how much Pierce handles the ball compared to Bradley, you'll find that he is playing Pierce at PG.

He just has Bradley bring up the ball much of the time, that's a choice based on perserving energy of veterans. You'll notice they also throw ahead to Pierce/Green/Bradley to bring it up depending on who's free or waiting for the ball.

Doc isn't using Bradley as a full time PG on offense, he's starting because of his defense at that position.

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Re: Fire Doc
« Reply #89 on: April 30, 2013, 11:48:38 AM »

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Doc playing Avery Bradley at point guard tells you all you need to know about his coaching abilities. Avery Bradley cannot dribble or pass, yet Doc starts him at point guard. This is hilariously bad coaching.
What's hilarious is arguing that starting someone at a position is anything but a two-letter combination on the box score. This team has been playing Paul Pierce for the better part of the time that Rondo has been out.
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