We should have traded Avery Bradley while he was hot

[bfrombleacher]

Whats the point of Bradley being a good cutter if he can't make a layup.

2 blown shoulders. Only got back in December (and wow, it's only April. Feels like forever since Dec).

[LarBrd33]

Sure.  I was campaigning hard to trade Bradley + Bass + Sully + Lee/Terry for an upgraded big.  Seemed at the time like Big Al or Josh Smith might be a possibility since both are likely to flee at season end. 

Then the idea was to move Pierce to starting SG and start Jeff at his natural Sf... leaving the following possible lineup:

PG - Rondo, SG - Pierce, SF - Green, PF - KG, C - Big Al

... people scoffed at the idea of starting Pierce at SG, but that's clearly what ended up happening eventually anyways.   Rondo of course got injured.  And I doubt anyone was taking that weak package for a stud like Smith or Big Al.

It ended up happening because we ran out of options, not because it's some amazing long-term solution.

It ended up happening, because Jeff Green is our 4th best player and it didn't make a lot of sense for him to come off the bench.

[BballTim]

Sure.  I was campaigning hard to trade Bradley + Bass + Sully + Lee/Terry for an upgraded big.  Seemed at the time like Big Al or Josh Smith might be a possibility since both are likely to flee at season end. 

Then the idea was to move Pierce to starting SG and start Jeff at his natural Sf... leaving the following possible lineup:

PG - Rondo, SG - Pierce, SF - Green, PF - KG, C - Big Al

... people scoffed at the idea of starting Pierce at SG, but that's clearly what ended up happening eventually anyways.   Rondo of course got injured.  And I doubt anyone was taking that weak package for a stud like Smith or Big Al.

It ended up happening because we ran out of options, not because it's some amazing long-term solution.

It ended up happening, because Jeff Green is our 4th best player and it didn't make a lot of sense for him to come off the bench.

  Does that mean you think that JR Smith (or Harden last year) weren't among the top 4 players on their teams?

[Onslaught]

I can make a long list of things that could've been done and even a few should've been done too. But you never know for sure how things will turn out. It's pointless.

Sure we do. First round exit. Superstars retiring or being moved. Lottery for years. That is what happens when you hold on too long and pretend you have a shot at a title. We will wallow in mediocrity for years just like we did after Bird and Mchale left. Sad but true.

I was going to be this way no matter what was done. And it won't be a bad as after Bird and the gang left. That was because of other reasons.

[chambers]

I can make a long list of things that could've been done and even a few should've been done too. But you never know for sure how things will turn out. It's pointless.

Sure we do. First round exit. Superstars retiring or being moved. Lottery for years. That is what happens when you hold on too long and pretend you have a shot at a title. We will wallow in mediocrity for years just like we did after Bird and Mchale left. Sad but true.

That's an easy analysis now that Rondo and Sully are out.
Bradley's strength is off the ball and cutting from the wing- something that skyrocketed his trade value when Rondo was throwing him pin point passes in the perfect spot every time. He had less to worry about- handling the ball was a 6 minute a game responsibility at best.
Rondo will come back and his value will go up high again, particularly if he starts hitting the 3 ball.

But yeah, wallowing in mediocrity is not what this team set out to achieve. Rondo's ACL and Sully's back, Barbosa's ACL= all deep long sighs that remind us it just wasn't our year.
Who knows what we could've done with a healthy star point guard and Sully starting for Bass. Now Pierce and KG have had to carry the load and their bodies are paying for it now.

[slamtheking]

after watching AB play PG poorly in the playoffs, it's very evident (to me at least) that at best, this kid should be coming off the bench as the swing guard to disrupt the other team's PG/SG (whoever is playing better at that time) as well as shutdown the other team's backup PG (which for most teams is someone that will struggle against AB's D).

I thought this kid might be worth keeping around to build with but at this point I consider him to be just like the other non-Rondo guards on the roster--> trade fodder.  C's need a legit starting SG that's capable of racking up 20 pts a game and playing some D.  Unfortunately, C's have no one on the roster capable of that.

[bfrombleacher]

C's need a legit starting SG that's capable of racking up 20 pts a game and playing some D.

Or they need a second legit starting big to take some of the pressure off KG.

Hmm...if only we had someone that could board, play decent D and get garbageman points...wouldn't matter if he's 6'9 and undersized...

[Who]

C's need a legit starting SG that's capable of racking up 20 pts a game and playing some D.

Or they need a second legit starting big to take some of the pressure off KG.

Hmm...if only we had someone that could board, play decent D and get garbageman points...wouldn't matter if he's 6'9 and undersized...

Yes, I think one of those positions (SG, PF) needs to provide scoring and the other can be a more defensive option.

So, for example

* Defensive guard (A.Bradley) + scoring PF (M.Beasley?)
or
* Defensive PF (Josh Smith?) and scoring SG (Nick Young?)

[connor]

who should we trade for bradley then?

krook is on a roll.

The things people don't like about AB other GMs probably don't like either.

DeMarcus Cousins ain't coming through that door...not for AB.

utah jazz, millsap or jefferson
atlanta hawks al horford
houston rockets got nothing to offer
lakers pau gasol
new orleans robin lopez
this teams need a sg who can give them defense factor

but....it won't happen, a pipe dream guys
rondo + bradley combination is a threat to me, when they are together on court it's a lethal combination of sg and pg, i want bradley to stay...

Bradley isn't bringing in that kind of talent on his own (especially since he has shown he is not a suitable PG). But if he was packaged with someone else the Celtics could probably bring most of those guys and more.

Sell high on Green and what could be a tremendously team friendly contract and add Bradley (maybe Melo too) and you could probably be getting Cousins, Horford etc. or at least be in the conversation.

I think he is a very good complement with Rondo when both healthy, so unless you are moving him in a fairly major deal we might as well hold onto him. His stock isn't going to fall much lower than it is now because his offense should pick up with Rondo back and his defense isn't going anywhere.

[kozlodoev]

Sure.  I was campaigning hard to trade Bradley + Bass + Sully + Lee/Terry for an upgraded big.  Seemed at the time like Big Al or Josh Smith might be a possibility since both are likely to flee at season end. 

Then the idea was to move Pierce to starting SG and start Jeff at his natural Sf... leaving the following possible lineup:

PG - Rondo, SG - Pierce, SF - Green, PF - KG, C - Big Al

... people scoffed at the idea of starting Pierce at SG, but that's clearly what ended up happening eventually anyways.   Rondo of course got injured.  And I doubt anyone was taking that weak package for a stud like Smith or Big Al.

It ended up happening because we ran out of options, not because it's some amazing long-term solution.

It ended up happening, because Jeff Green is our 4th best player and it didn't make a lot of sense for him to come off the bench.

No, it ended up happening because the platoon of starting SGs (Terry and Lee) ultimately played worse than Brandon Bass. Otherwise, Green may have been starting instead of Bass.

[BballTim]

C's need a legit starting SG that's capable of racking up 20 pts a game and playing some D.

Or they need a second legit starting big to take some of the pressure off KG.

Hmm...if only we had someone that could board, play decent D and get garbageman points...wouldn't matter if he's 6'9 and undersized...

Yes, I think one of those positions (SG, PF) needs to provide scoring and the other can be a more defensive option.

So, for example

* Defensive guard (A.Bradley) + scoring PF (M.Beasley?)
or
* Defensive PF (Josh Smith?) and scoring SG (Nick Young?)

  I think if you're just looking for a Nick Young type of scorer we already have one in Crawford. If he comes back healthy I'd use Sully as a starting big and look to get a big that can defend/rebound for 20-25 minutes a game to give KG plenty of rest.

[mmmmm]

Sure.  I was campaigning hard to trade Bradley + Bass + Sully + Lee/Terry for an upgraded big.  Seemed at the time like Big Al or Josh Smith might be a possibility since both are likely to flee at season end. 

Then the idea was to move Pierce to starting SG and start Jeff at his natural Sf... leaving the following possible lineup:

PG - Rondo, SG - Pierce, SF - Green, PF - KG, C - Big Al

... people scoffed at the idea of starting Pierce at SG, but that's clearly what ended up happening eventually anyways.   Rondo of course got injured.  And I doubt anyone was taking that weak package for a stud like Smith or Big Al.

It ended up happening because we ran out of options, not because it's some amazing long-term solution.

It ended up happening, because Jeff Green is our 4th best player and it didn't make a lot of sense for him to come off the bench.

No, it ended up happening because the platoon of starting SGs (Terry and Lee) ultimately played worse than Brandon Bass. Otherwise, Green may have been starting instead of Bass.

I think this is truth.

[Who]

C's need a legit starting SG that's capable of racking up 20 pts a game and playing some D.

Or they need a second legit starting big to take some of the pressure off KG.

Hmm...if only we had someone that could board, play decent D and get garbageman points...wouldn't matter if he's 6'9 and undersized...

Yes, I think one of those positions (SG, PF) needs to provide scoring and the other can be a more defensive option.

So, for example

* Defensive guard (A.Bradley) + scoring PF (M.Beasley?)
or
* Defensive PF (Josh Smith?) and scoring SG (Nick Young?)

  I think if you're just looking for a Nick Young type of scorer we already have one in Crawford. If he comes back healthy I'd use Sully as a starting big and look to get a big that can defend/rebound for 20-25 minutes a game to give KG plenty of rest.

I don't consider Jordan Crawford on the same level as Nick Young.

I don't think Jordan Crawford is an option as a starting shooting guard. He can't defend or rebound his position. He isn't good enough offensively to make up for what he costs you on the other end. Large net negative.

I actually think Nick Young is a pretty solid man-to-man defender but his help defense needs work. I think with good coaching he could become an average to slightly above average defensive player. Nick Young is also a more refined offensive player who moves very well without the basketball coming off of screens. A great fit in this Boston offense in a somewhat similar role to what Ray Allen had here in Boston.

I think on a team like this in Boston where the defense is at a high level and the team needs a scoring boost to help an aging Garnett, Pierce and non-prolific scoring Rondo ... a gunner like Nick Young could be a valuable role player option instead of a "3 and D" type.

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Sullinger is a fine option as a starter next season. I am happy with that if that is where we end up. That said, if a Josh Smith was available though, I would love to have Sully come off the bench as a third big (PF/C) behind Garnett (C) and Josh Smith (PF). That would be a dream scenario for me.

[Who]

Marcus Thornton would be another interesting option in that Nick Young type mold.

I wonder if Sacramento would part with Thornton for Bass and the Celtics 2013 first round pick. Would anyone be interested in that? In giving up that pick to get Marcus Thornton?

Keep the MLE to spend on a different need. Probably a big man.

[kozlodoev]

Marcus Thornton would be another interesting option in that Nick Young type mold.

I wonder if Sacramento would part with Thornton for Bass and the Celtics 2013 first round pick. Would anyone be interested in that? In giving up that pick to get Marcus Thornton?

Keep the MLE to spend on a different need. Probably a big man.

In my mind, getting Marcus Thornton is very similar to starting Crawford and giving him 38 minutes a game. Thornton is a little more efficient, but he couldn't keep his starting spot on a horrible Sacramento squad. Not particularly intrigued by this option, frankly.