Game 2 Celtics vs. Knicks Line-Ups

[krook]

this line-up to me seems gonna work well

crawford/felton
lee/shumpert
pierce/melo
shavlik/copeland
kg/tyson

why?
1st of all we saw terry...missing some shots
why bradley is not starting? we need a defensive player coming off the bench
green is not starting because i need an offensive player who can boost us coming off the bench
bass can defend copeland...but, i want him to defend k-mart off the bench...and shavlik at copeland
i don't rely on terry running the offense or t-will as a reserves

12 of copeland and 12 minutes of shavlik
copeland 1 rebounds, i wan shavlik on him
k-mart is a good pick-up, bass can defend him

my 2nd unit line-up
terry/kidd
bradley/j.r. smith
green/melo (green and pierce on rotation)
bass/wilcon (k-mart/novak/white) - rotation

i want green running the offense off the bench and so it bass,
bradley is not a PG, so he can stop a fresh j.r. smith as a reserves
i want bradley on j.r. smith

if smith goes as starter then bradley as starter too

don't reduce the rotations...
let wilcox and shavlik play...
don't let players get toast and avoid injuries
i know its the normal minutes for pierce and kg 35 to 36 minutes per game, but remember pacers are next, if they pass 1st round

melo 40 minutes - green 45 minutes
melo 13-29 FG
i know melo is a starter and you want green on him but...i want him on the bench as much as i do...if pierce needs a rest 2nd unit offensive scorer is there to help, and again
pierce/melo/green/melo rotation

any thoughts?
thanks

[Who]

I don't want Shavlik defending Copeland out on the three point line.

No confidence in his ability to cover a shooter like Copeland.

[krook]

I don't want Shavlik defending Copeland out on the three point line.

No confidence in his ability to cover a shooter like Copeland.

then who defends k-mart?
shavlik DNP?

who runs our offense coming from our bench players?

knicks got
k-mart 10 points
smith 15 points
kid 8 points
smith 5 rebounds
k-mart 9 rebounds 2 blocks
kidd 5 rebounds 3 steals

i want to counter attack there bench players
terry 0 points?
crawford 0 points?
lee 4 points?

put in green 28 points
bradley 15 points ( to stop j.r. smith)

bradley is not a PG,
even though crawfrod got 0 points...i still want him on felton i think he can defend felton

[Who]

I like Wilcox as the backup center against K-Mart but it looks like Doc is going to go with Bass as the team's backup center whenever Garnett rests.

I like Wilcox' interior scoring against New York. Very little rim protection. Any time Kenyon has to help out on someone's dribble penetration or post-ups, it creates a great opportunity for an interior finisher like Wilcox to get a high percentage basket at the rim.

[CelticConcourse]

If Shavlik starts a playoff game this year, I'm quitting NBA basketball for life.

[nickagneta]

I am not sure how many times this is going to have to be said this post season but Shavlik Randolph, DJ White, Terrence Williams and Fab Melo will not be seeing any meaningful playing time this post season if any.

They are extra players added to the roster to help this team through injury in the regular season and most will most likely be traded this off season. They are not good enough to be playing in a playoff rotation. An eight man rotation with Lee, Terry and Crawford off the bench or 9 man with Lee, Terry, Crawford and Wilcox coming off the bench is what will be happening.

And quite honestly, that really is the way it should be.

[krook]

I like Wilcox as the backup center against K-Mart but it looks like Doc is going to go with Bass as the team's backup center whenever Garnett rests.

I like Wilcox' interior scoring against New York. Very little rim protection. Any time Kenyon has to help out on someone's dribble penetration or post-ups, it creates a great opportunity for an interior finisher like Wilcox to get a high percentage basket at the rim.

i don't see copeland as a 3 point shooter threat so im ok with shavlik on him

bass and copeland has teh same height, but i prefer bass guarding k-mart off the bench, if copeland keeps on missing shavlik will get those ball...

when bass is chasing copeland for 3's kg is left alone inside which gives us another problem, same as shavlik but again...i think shav is better
copeland only play 12 minutes then give shavlik 12 minutes too

coming off the bench k-mart 28 minutes, then bass also 32 minutes

[Who]

who runs our offense coming from our bench players?

knicks got
k-mart 10 points
smith 15 points
kid 8 points
smith 5 rebounds
k-mart 9 rebounds 2 blocks
kidd 5 rebounds 3 steals

i want to counter attack there bench players
terry 0 points?
crawford 0 points?
lee 4 points?

Their bench will outscore our bench.

Boston's starting lineup is full of guys will all play big minutes. Garnett will play 35-37 minutes. Jeff Green and Paul Pierce will both play 38-40 minutes. Bass will play 30-35 minutes. Bradley will play 30-35 minutes.

The Knicks starting lineup plays 2 guys who play low minutes. Copeland is a 10-15 minute a night player. If it's Prigioni, he is a 20-25 minute a night player. Shumpert is a 20-25 minute a night player. In their starting lineup, only 3 guys play big minutes = Tyson (35-37), Melo (38-42), Felton (35-37). And Tyson played only 20 minutes today so Kenyon Martin got more minutes off the bench today that normal.

So the Knicks bench will play a lot more than the Celtics. Hence, they will score more.

It is the Celtics starter's job to out-score the Knicks starters to counter that.

Matching their bench scoring isn't an issue for me. My concern is maintaining defensive integrity. Making sure Doc has effective defensive options on the floor against their offensive threats.

[krook]

If Shavlik starts a playoff game this year, I'm quitting NBA basketball for life.

so you want bass on copeland and k-mart both of them?
or you want to also add green on carmelo and k-mart and copeland...rotation? PF/SF

tyson rest
kg rest
bass on k-mart
green on? carmelo...
pierce rest
smith in, lee in?

[CelticConcourse]

If Shavlik starts a playoff game this year, I'm quitting NBA basketball for life.

so you want bass on copeland and k-mart both of them?

Yes, Novak too.

[Who]

I like Wilcox as the backup center against K-Mart but it looks like Doc is going to go with Bass as the team's backup center whenever Garnett rests.

I like Wilcox' interior scoring against New York. Very little rim protection. Any time Kenyon has to help out on someone's dribble penetration or post-ups, it creates a great opportunity for an interior finisher like Wilcox to get a high percentage basket at the rim.

i don't see copeland as a 3 point shooter threat so im ok with shavlik on him

bass and copeland has teh same height, but i prefer bass guarding k-mart off the bench, if copeland keeps on missing shavlik will get those ball...

when bass is chasing copeland for 3's kg is left alone inside which gives us another problem, same as shavlik but again...i think shav is better
copeland only play 12 minutes then give shavlik 12 minutes too

coming off the bench k-mart 28 minutes, then bass also 32 minutes

(1) Copeland shot 42.1% from three point range this season.

(2) Copeland took 140 triples this season in 860 minutes which means he takes a three pointer about every 6 minutes which is just often as Jason Terry takes three point attempts. That is how prolific a three point threat he is when on the court.

(3) Copeland scores almost 9 points (8.7ppg) in just over 15 minutes (15.4mpg) per game. So he puts up points on the boards in a hurry.

(4) In the five games Copeland has played 30+ minutes, Copeland has scored over 20 points four times and over 30 points in two games. He got 14 in the other. In games where Copeland played 25-30 minutes, Copeland scored 12-17 points in five of the six games and got 29 points in the other one. Copeland had 20 games this season with double digit points despite only playing 20 or more minutes 18 times.

This guy is a scorer and he is a major threat from three point range.

If Copeland is not defended well, he is capable of going off and putting up a lot a points on the board very quickly. A dangerous shooter and slasher. 

[Who]

I do not think a guy like Shavlik Randolph with sub-par quickness and mobility is well suited to defending a combo forward with legitimate three point range.

I thought S.Randolph did his best work this season when he was allowed to defend a slow interior-orientated opponent. Usually a center. Sometimes a slow PF or a PF with limited offensive range.

Putting Shavlik on a perimeter orientated combo forward like Copeland or Novak frightens me. I don't think Shavlik has the defensive versatility to cover guys like them.

[krook]

who runs our offense coming from our bench players?

knicks got
k-mart 10 points
smith 15 points
kid 8 points
smith 5 rebounds
k-mart 9 rebounds 2 blocks
kidd 5 rebounds 3 steals

i want to counter attack there bench players
terry 0 points?
crawford 0 points?
lee 4 points?

Their bench will outscore our bench.

Boston's starting lineup is full of guys will all play big minutes. Garnett will play 35-37 minutes. Jeff Green and Paul Pierce will both play 38-40 minutes. Bass will play 30-35 minutes. Bradley will play 30-35 minutes.

The Knicks starting lineup plays 2 guys who play low minutes. Copeland is a 10-15 minute a night player. If it's Prigioni, he is a 20-25 minute a night player. Shumpert is a 20-25 minute a night player. In their starting lineup, only 3 guys play big minutes = Tyson (35-37), Melo (38-42), Felton (35-37). And Tyson played only 20 minutes today so Kenyon Martin got more minutes off the bench today that normal.

So the Knicks bench will play a lot more than the Celtics. Hence, they will score more.

It is the Celtics starter's job to out-score the Knicks starters to counter that.

Matching their bench scoring isn't an issue for me. My concern is maintaining defensive integrity. Making sure Doc has effective defensive options on the floor against their offensive threats.

celtics has defense
but...
carmelo 36 points almost 40
k-mart 10 points
smith 15 points
felton 13 points
tyson not healthy
stoudamaire injured (can give you 15+ descent points)

as long as they keep on hitting 3's
i think this is all a closed games situations no blow out
unless terry and crawford gets hots

[LEHGOCELTICS]

AB/Lee/Pierce/Green/KG

Bench (In list of minutes priority): Crawford/Williams/Randolph/Wilcox/Terry

[krook]

If Shavlik starts a playoff game this year, I'm quitting NBA basketball for life.

so you want bass on copeland and k-mart both of them?

Yes, Novak too.

so you want brandon bass chasing 3 point shooters
with tyson and kg inside waiting for a missed shots?