Bench Terry

[The Rondo Show]

Both terry and lee were huge disappointments. Kg gave us nothing offensively. Pierce settled for too many threes but otherwise was pretty good.

Four points from the bench was awful.

Jeff and Bradley were awesome. If they continue to produce like that then we should win bc it looks like Tyson chandler is in bad shape.

We played horribly outside pierce, AB, and green. Other then chandler the Knicks played as expected and we were in the game with two minutes to go.

Need to get game two.

I agree that those 3 played very well. All 3 of them need to chill with the turnovers though.

[crimson_stallion]

What I've seen tells me otherwise. 

He lacks size at the SG spot but tends to apply decent ball pressure, he tends to do a solid job of contesting shots, he's usually at the right place at more or less the right time and he doesn't gamble on defense.

He certainly hasn't had the "in your face" defensive pressure of somebody like AB or Green, but he's been decent and not what I would call liablity.

For example, I don't think Terry is anywhere near the defensive liability that Rondo was at times.  All that cheating on offense often led to wide open cuts to the opposition getting wide open layups, and I don't see that with Terry.  Obviously Terry is nowhere near as talented overall as Rondo is as a player, but from a pure defensive point of view having Rondo out there scared me a lot more.

When it comes to the Terry vs Crawford argument, the difference is that Terry is typically less of a risk taker and more consistent as a decision maker. 

Crawford is a talented passer but makes bone-head plays at times - he's just as likely to get an assist as he is to throw it straight to the other team.

The same is true with Crawford's shooting.  When he decides he wants to shoot nobody (neither on his team nor the opponents team) is going to stop him from doing so.  He still takes a LOT of bad shots, some of them he just happens to will in.  In the regular season you tend to let guys like that off the leash and see what they can do, but in the Playoffs you want someone out there that you can depend on to not only make a shot, but make the right decision.

Terry, as much as people have criticised him, is a pretty intelligent player.  He only rarely takes a bad shot, he doesn't often throw a horrible pass (like half the ones we saw from AB/PP/Green today) and he's just generally a solid veteran player who knows what to do on the court.

Crawford reminds me of Big Baby in that he is a big gamble anytime he's on the court.  He's just as likely to shoot you out of a game as he is to shoot you into one, so he's a bit of a wildcard you thrown in there sometimes when you're struggling and just hope he can go on a hot streak.

I actually like Crawford because I like his enthusiasm and his energy.  He always looks like a passionate guy and he will always try to do SOMETHING out there, I just think he needs another season or so around the veterans to get a little more seasoning.  If he could gain some more patience and learn when to attack and when to hold back, he could become a really nice player.

Problem is this is the Playoffs, and as we learned today a single stretch of 2 or 3 bad possessions can be the difference between making the next round or going home early.  Crawford did a solid job today because he didn't try to do too much, but if he goes out there and goes on one of his "I just want to shoot" sprees he could cost us a game and potentially a series.

With Terry out there at least you know what to expect.  If he doesn't have a shot he will generally give it up to somebody who has a better one.  Guys like T-Will and Crawford have talent, but they need to prove they can handle the pressure on the big stage and not be a liability if they want to earn significant minutes (just as Ryan Hollins did last season).

[crimson_stallion]

We could've signed J.R Smith, Mayo, Lou Williams for the same money Terry is receiving or less. But no, DA goes out and signs the oldest, most washed up scrub out there. Dirk made Terry look much better than he was. Credit to Dirk.

- JR Smith would not have signed with us
- We tried to get Mayo, he wouldn't have signed with us
- Williams wouldn't have signed with us

Everybody loves to talk about all the guys Danny COULD have signed, but nobody bothers to consider the fact that signing a free agent requires two parties to want it to happen...both the club and the player.

I was rooting for us signing Mayo, but he went to Dallas.  Other's on here were saying they would rather have Lee than Mayo - obviously that was a poor decision, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter because Mayo had a chance to come here and didn't.

[LEHGOCELTICS]

What I've seen tells me otherwise. 

He lacks size at the SG spot but tends to apply decent ball pressure, he tends to do a solid job of contesting shots, he's usually at the right place at more or less the right time and he doesn't gamble on defense.

He certainly hasn't had the "in your face" defensive pressure of somebody like AB or Green, but he's been decent and not what I would call liablity.

When it comes to the Terry vs Crawford argument, the difference is that Terry is typically less of a risk taker and more consistent as a decision maker. 

Crawford is a talented passer but makes bone-head plays at times - he's just as likely to get an assist as he is to throw it straight to the other team.

The same is true with Crawford's shooting.  When he decides he wants to shoot nobody (neither on his team nor the opponents team) is going to stop him from doing so.  He still takes a LOT of bad shots, some of them he just happens to will in.  In the regular season you tend to let guys like that off the leash and see what they can do, but in the Playoffs you want someone out there that you can depend on to not only make a shot, but make the right decision.

Terry, as much as people have criticised him, is a pretty intelligent player.  He only rarely takes a bad shot, he doesn't often throw a horrible pass (like half the ones we saw from AB/PP/Green today) and he's just generally a solid veteran player who knows what to do on the court.

Crawford reminds me of Big Baby in that he is a big gamble anytime he's on the court.  He's just as likely to shoot you out of a game as he is to shoot you into one, so he's a bit of a wildcard you thrown in there sometimes when you're struggling and just hope he can go on a hot streak.

I actually like Crawford because I like his enthusiasm and his energy.  He always looks like a passionate guy and he will always try to do SOMETHING out there, I just think he needs another season or so around the veterans to get a little more seasoning.  If he could gain some more patience and learn when to attack and when to hold back, he could become a really nice player.

Problem is this is the Playoffs, and as we learned today a single stretch of 2 or 3 bad possessions can be the difference between making the next round or going home early.  Crawford did a solid job today because he didn't try to do too much, but if he goes out there and goes on one of his "I just want to shoot" sprees he could cost us a game and potentially a series.

With Terry out there at least you know what to expect.  If he doesn't have a shot he will generally give it up to somebody who has a better one.  Guys like T-Will and Crawford have talent, but they need to prove they can handle the pressure on the big stage and not be a liability if they want to earn significant minutes (just as Ryan Hollins did last season).

Only way for them to prove they can do it is by testing them out. How? Replace Terry's minutes with theirs.

[CelticConcourse]

Only way for them to prove they can do it is by testing them out. How? Replace Terry's minutes with theirs.

Or letting them show it in practice, where the coaching staff can see what they're truly made of.

[crimson_stallion]

Only way for them to prove they can do it is by testing them out. How? Replace Terry's minutes with theirs.

The only way they are gonig to get a chance to prove it is the same way Hollins did - when the other proven players at your position are hurt or in foul trouble, then you get on the court. 

If you play well in that time, then you earn a little bit of trust and maybe you stay in a bit longer.

Next game, maybe you get some minutes too.  If you do well in those, then maybe you earn a place in the rotation.

That's how it works, and if I were Doc I would do exactly the same thing.

If it's a blowout game and you are losing by 20 then sure, I'd throw some of those guys in their and see if their youth and enthusiasm can give you an unexpected boost. 

In a close game like today where every basket counts, I'd be going with my proven veterans that have won championships and played in playoff games before.

Until one of the other guys gets a fluke opportunity and does a very good job in it, I'm sticking with a guy like Terry who has played on multiple playoff teams, has won a title, has a history of making clutch baskets his entire career, and is experienced making decisions under pressure.

How many times have we seen Ray Allen, in past seasons, go through shooting slumps?  I recall at one stage he went through something like a 10 or 15 game slump where he couldn't buy a shot.  Everyone started throwing out the whole "he's done" argument, and then eventually he got out of the slump and started putting the fear of god in our opponents again.

Moral of that story is that guys who have been known as very good shooters over such a long career tend to earn that reputation for a reason.  Whatever slumps they get in, they tend to find a way to get out of it when you need them the most.  Maybe Terry really is done, maybe he won't hit a single shot for us this entire postseason...but until the fat lady sings I still have faith in him.

The one guy I think wouldn't have hurt to see tonight is Randolf.  When KG got in foul trouble I think we could have really used a tough big man in there to fight on the boards and bang inside, I think he could have contributed and I think he would have matched up well with K-Mart. 

Much as Bass is earning my appreciation again, I still hate seeing him at the center spot.

[Kane3387]

We could've signed J.R Smith, Mayo, Lou Williams for the same money Terry is receiving or less. But no, DA goes out and signs the oldest, most washed up scrub out there. Dirk made Terry look much better than he was. Credit to Dirk.

Couldn't have gotten Lou Williams or oj mayo with Terry's money.

[CelticnLA]

I'm waiting for the annual post playoffs 'he was injured' reports. We should be used to it because that's what we got from judas shuttlesworth the past couple of years.

[LEHGOCELTICS]

We could've signed J.R Smith, Mayo, Lou Williams for the same money Terry is receiving or less. But no, DA goes out and signs the oldest, most washed up scrub out there. Dirk made Terry look much better than he was. Credit to Dirk.

Couldn't have gotten Lou Williams or oj mayo with Terry's money.

They all signed for the full MLE

[illestmcsgt]

It's one game!!! Terry hasn't played for 2 weeks so he needs to get his legs back. I'm not a big fan of his, but I feel like once he gets it going we will need him. Green, Pierce, and Garnett will get most of the focus. Once Terry hits a big three that's when the floor spreads out more. I got faith in this team, I won't give up after one game when there are seven games for a reason.

[albas89]

It's one game!!! Terry hasn't played for 2 weeks so he needs to get his legs back. I'm not a big fan of his, but I feel like once he gets it going we will need him. Green, Pierce, and Garnett will get most of the focus. Once Terry hits a big three that's when the floor spreads out more. I got faith in this team, I won't give up after one game when there are seven games for a reason.

Well, by the end of Game 5 he might be out of his slump and get his legs back, after we have gone fishing...

[BballTim]

We could've signed J.R Smith, Mayo, Lou Williams for the same money Terry is receiving or less. But no, DA goes out and signs the oldest, most washed up scrub out there. Dirk made Terry look much better than he was. Credit to Dirk.

  I don't recall any of those players offering to sign with the Celts. It's generally not the case that the Celts can pick any free agent on the market and the other 29 teams get to fight over the players we don't want.

[illestmcsgt]

It's one game!!! Terry hasn't played for 2 weeks so he needs to get his legs back. I'm not a big fan of his, but I feel like once he gets it going we will need him. Green, Pierce, and Garnett will get most of the focus. Once Terry hits a big three that's when the floor spreads out more. I got faith in this team, I won't give up after one game when there are seven games for a reason.

Well, by the end of Game 5 he might be out of his slump and get his legs back, after we have gone fishing...

Sounds like a true Celtics fan, lose all hope after one game. 

[CelticConcourse]

I'm sure everyone still regrets not making the Ray-for-OJ trade

[bfrombleacher]

I'm waiting for the annual post playoffs 'he was injured' reports. We should be used to it because that's what we got from judas shuttlesworth the past couple of years.

One thing he won't do is pull a Judas.

Even if he doesn't bounce back, I'll still respect him much more than I ever will the Heat.

Your signature should be one of a stealth aircraft crashing. Jet's done a pretty good job of being invisible this season.