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Re: Celtics get 16th pick in 2013 Draft
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2013, 12:06:21 AM »

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outside of the top ten, there are no possible franchise players this year, or even anyone that could be a borderline all-star.

I think I'd be happy with a player whose potential is having a shot at being a second-team all-defensive player if he can get his offensive abilities high enough to be at least average.  Do you see anyone like that outside of the top ten?
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Re: Celtics get 16th pick in 2013 Draft
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Re: Celtics get 16th pick in 2013 Draft
« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2013, 01:05:22 AM »

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Hope we get Mason Plumlee.

I'm on the fence on Plumlee.Nice athlete, nice size, hustle, pretty good iq, but doesn't have one elite basketball skill.

Just saw again Louisville vs Duke MM 2013, and though he was ok, but i couldn't believe how many times he got the ball stripped from his hands. Also he could of helped by blocking some shots, but just didn't or doesnt have the skill to do it.

Re: Celtics get 16th pick in 2013 Draft
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2013, 01:17:09 AM »

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Re: Celtics get 16th pick in 2013 Draft
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2013, 04:01:45 AM »

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Hope we get Mason Plumlee.

I'm on the fence on Plumlee.Nice athlete, nice size, hustle, pretty good iq, but doesn't have one elite basketball skill.

Just saw again Louisville vs Duke MM 2013, and though he was ok, but i couldn't believe how many times he got the ball stripped from his hands. Also he could of helped by blocking some shots, but just didn't or doesnt have the skill to do it.

Thats true.

But I think, he has more good things than he has bad things.
I like his upside more than Fab Melo.
And we need a solid big guy. I think Mason Plumlee would be a decent NBA player.

Re: Celtics get 16th pick in 2013 Draft
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2013, 04:06:32 AM »

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outside of the top ten, there are no possible franchise players this year, or even anyone that could be a borderline all-star.

I think I'd be happy with a player whose potential is having a shot at being a second-team all-defensive player if he can get his offensive abilities high enough to be at least average.  Do you see anyone like that outside of the top ten?

the only guys outside the top ten at the moment who are worth a first round pick, would be alex len (if he falls one or two spots outside the ten), and isaiah austin - who btw, would have to play power forward in the nba.  i also like steven adams, but he needs soooooooo much work. i read somewhere that adams destroyed nerlens noel in a game last year, but ive seen adams play a bit, and he is raw. like fab melo raw, but 4 years younger, and already slightly better than fab.

i would possibly go for giannis from greece, but only if danny traded down to the 22nd pick or later. the size of the kids hands alone make him intriguing. only guy with hands that size is rondo :) but it's hard to gauge how good he could be in the big leagues because he's playing against sub-par competition. he's definitely not worth a 16th pick.

if danny traded up a few spots and grabbed len i would be happy. danny needs to offload a shooting guard or two (im looking at the jet) and if in the process he could get len i would definitely be happy.

if he stayed at 16th spot and went for isaiah austin i would be still a bit worried - simply because of his weight. however, if i was danny i would get an expert in to estimate how much weight the kid could put on, and if he could get up to 235 pounds in the next five years, i would take him. at this point a lot of celtics fans could get worried and compare him to jujuan johnson, but he is three years younger, so he can put more weight on. he was one of slam magazines 1st team high school all americans last year, so he's worth a shot if everything else checks out. but he's definitely a nba pf at this point in his career - simply because of weight.

i would not - under any circumstances - draft shabazz muhammed. the guy is going to be a major disappointment... and for what it's worth - i think danny wants, and is aiming for alex len.

ive read mock drafts where people say we should take Gorgui Dieng. thats laughable. any other year he would be a second round pick.

the only other guy i would have danny take a look at, and perhaps draft down for an early second pick would be ricardo ledo - but he'd have to do A LOT of homework before hand.

oh and MAYBE tony mitchell - again you'd have to do a lot of homework on him. his advanced stats arent too good, which is definitely a concern - but his raw stats are good. he's got a crazy wingspan, is an unbelievable athlete. but the problem is his attitude and work ethic - which are both questionable.
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Re: Celtics get 16th pick in 2013 Draft
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2013, 04:49:15 AM »

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^Len is far from a sure thing (i like him but not enough to trade up for him), and isaih austin weighs less than jajuan johnson at almost the same height. I wouldnt touch either to be honest.

Re: Celtics get 16th pick in 2013 Draft
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2013, 04:53:02 AM »

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^Len is far from a sure thing (i like him but not enough to trade up for him), and isaih austin weighs less than jajuan johnson at almost the same height. I wouldnt touch either to be honest.

sure but isiah austin is 3 years younger. len isnt a sure thing. i agree, but considering we have a surplus of players, and he's pretty good. i think in 2 years he could be starting - kind of like vucevic - but vucevic is better no doubt.

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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2013, 08:33:22 AM »

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Plumlee would be a decent 2 nd string center one day.  He is ahead of Fab IMO in basic basketball , but wouldn't expect him to be the next TIM Duncan,

Fab has more speed and potential  , if he can just ever catch up . :-\


Re: Celtics get 16th pick in 2013 Draft
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2013, 09:41:13 AM »

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Watch as our late-season tanking pays off and we get the steal of the draft... a franchise player for the next decade.

How hilarious would that be...

Only to then be out for his first season with back surgery...hoping for no dejavu.

Hopefully trade the pick along with a package for something of value we can use to win now.

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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2013, 12:03:44 PM »

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Plumlee would be a decent 2 nd string center one day.  He is ahead of Fab IMO in basic basketball , but wouldn't expect him to be the next TIM Duncan,

Fab has more speed and potential  , if he can just ever catch up . :-\

agreed.

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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2013, 12:10:37 PM »

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Plumlee would be a decent 2 nd string center one day.  He is ahead of Fab IMO in basic basketball , but wouldn't expect him to be the next TIM Duncan,

Fab has more speed and potential  , if he can just ever catch up . :-\

agreed.

Have to disagree with speed plumlee runs the floor very well and like his brother is a very good run jump athlete. He will have a solid career as a bench 4/5
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Re: Celtics get 16th pick in 2013 Draft
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2013, 12:45:00 PM »

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Hope we get Mason Plumlee.

I'm on the fence on Plumlee.Nice athlete, nice size, hustle, pretty good iq, but doesn't have one elite basketball skill.

Just saw again Louisville vs Duke MM 2013, and though he was ok, but i couldn't believe how many times he got the ball stripped from his hands. Also he could of helped by blocking some shots, but just didn't or doesnt have the skill to do it.

Thats true.

But I think, he has more good things than he has bad things.
I like his upside more than Fab Melo.
And we need a solid big guy. I think Mason Plumlee would be a decent NBA player.

I agree. There is definitely more good than bad. I still think he will turn out to be a taller and better Bass, which is a good player in the nba. 

He was also the best player for duke, maybe if he is not anymore , he won't make as many mistakes. #1 he has to do is develop a mid range jump shot.

One thing that i would feel secure about plumlee is that he played with consistentcy. Bad team, good team, 1st quarter, 4th quarter. Against teams like UK, UNC, Kansas in the past few years he held his own against the likes of Henson, Davis, Withey and you couldn't say that about every other big guy from college. He would be a nice complement to have beside Sullinger, as being the quicker and more athletic inside look vs brute strength. Also he is a good passer and so is sully, which would cause headaches for teams both inside and outside

Re: Celtics get 16th pick in 2013 Draft
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2013, 12:56:48 PM »

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outside of the top ten, there are no possible franchise players this year, or even anyone that could be a borderline all-star.

I think I'd be happy with a player whose potential is having a shot at being a second-team all-defensive player if he can get his offensive abilities high enough to be at least average.  Do you see anyone like that outside of the top ten?

the only guys outside the top ten at the moment who are worth a first round pick, would be alex len (if he falls one or two spots outside the ten), and isaiah austin - who btw, would have to play power forward in the nba.  i also like steven adams, but he needs soooooooo much work. i read somewhere that adams destroyed nerlens noel in a game last year, but ive seen adams play a bit, and he is raw. like fab melo raw, but 4 years younger, and already slightly better than fab.

i would possibly go for giannis from greece, but only if danny traded down to the 22nd pick or later. the size of the kids hands alone make him intriguing. only guy with hands that size is rondo :) but it's hard to gauge how good he could be in the big leagues because he's playing against sub-par competition. he's definitely not worth a 16th pick.

if danny traded up a few spots and grabbed len i would be happy. danny needs to offload a shooting guard or two (im looking at the jet) and if in the process he could get len i would definitely be happy.

if he stayed at 16th spot and went for isaiah austin i would be still a bit worried - simply because of his weight. however, if i was danny i would get an expert in to estimate how much weight the kid could put on, and if he could get up to 235 pounds in the next five years, i would take him. at this point a lot of celtics fans could get worried and compare him to jujuan johnson, but he is three years younger, so he can put more weight on. he was one of slam magazines 1st team high school all americans last year, so he's worth a shot if everything else checks out. but he's definitely a nba pf at this point in his career - simply because of weight.

i would not - under any circumstances - draft shabazz muhammed. the guy is going to be a major disappointment... and for what it's worth - i think danny wants, and is aiming for alex len.

ive read mock drafts where people say we should take Gorgui Dieng. thats laughable. any other year he would be a second round pick.

the only other guy i would have danny take a look at, and perhaps draft down for an early second pick would be ricardo ledo - but he'd have to do A LOT of homework before hand.

oh and MAYBE tony mitchell - again you'd have to do a lot of homework on him. his advanced stats arent too good, which is definitely a concern - but his raw stats are good. he's got a crazy wingspan, is an unbelievable athlete. but the problem is his attitude and work ethic - which are both questionable.

you make some decent analysis. Especially the negative and more realistic aspect. Giannis is a gamble for any team to draft. It was like Nowitzky 14 years ago, nobody knew what to expect from him. But he turned out to be one of the best in the league. Than you have other euros like Rudy Fernandez that was plain mediocre in the nba when he looked like a superstar in europe. But the one thing we do know outside of a nicely made highlight video is that, Danny actually saw him live and stated he was reminded him of a Scottie Pippen. So you have to trust this hunch that he has. Plus this being a weak draft, even if you have to wait a year for a proper development, it might be worth the risk than say drafting a more ready ncaa guy but will just end up being a rotation or off the bench guy in the nba.

Relating to Adams, he will be a dangerous pick, not to consider. The way he plays, the way he was not give the ball much, his stats from first year all are close to what happened to Andre Drummond. And we all know now that Drummond is considered one of the biggest steals of last years draft.   Its just something to consider carefully

Lastly relating to Dieng, i still wouldn't mind if we drafted him. He is a calm player, nice length, quickness and passing.But lack of wanting to dominate/agression most of the game is a little worrisome. Last year getting manhandled by Anthony Davis in the Final Four, is worrisome. 

Re: Celtics get 16th pick in 2013 Draft
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2013, 01:05:47 PM »

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If Giannis Adetokunbo is available at 16, I'd love that pick.   Not ready to help next year, but no one is at that spot, so might as well go upside, which he has in spades.  I know the C's have been looking at him in the very least.

If they can buy themselves a mid-second rounder, I wouldn't mind grabbing Myck Kabongo.  He could be a capable backup PG after a year in the D-league.  Danny needs to start signing second-rounders to three or four year deals.  You can get serviceable, cheap backups, who can have huge trade value if they break out before they hit free agency.  Kabongo's got the talent, but the coaching is terrible in Texas, and the NCAA decided to make an example out of him, so he's potentially undervalued.