Could We Trade Bass + Filler For A Big Man Next Year? Any Takers?

[Moranis]

I'm still of the opinion moving Bass is going to be difficult, but also still believe the way to move him is in a three-team deal.

Here's an idea I had the other day.  It involves also moving Terry to Memphis for their trade exception from the Rudy Gay deal.  Coming back to Boston would be Emeka Okafor from Washington.  The math is close, so we might also have to throw in one of our non-guaranteed contracts.

Boston:
IN: Okafor
OUT: Bass, Terry, 1st round pick (2013)

Washington:
IN: Bass, 1st round pick
OUT: Okafor

Memphis:
IN: Terry
OUT: Trade Exception

I don't see Memphis doing that at all.  If it was Lee I think it would be far more likely from their position, but that makes it far less palatable for Boston.  Also, not sure what Okafor really does for Boston.  He is an ok player, but he doesn't move Boston tot he Eastern Conference elite and that trade sets back rebuilding (by giving up a pick and making the team a bit better thus hurting the 14 picks draft position).

[slamtheking]

I'm still of the opinion moving Bass is going to be difficult, but also still believe the way to move him is in a three-team deal.

Here's an idea I had the other day.  It involves also moving Terry to Memphis for their trade exception from the Rudy Gay deal.  Coming back to Boston would be Emeka Okafor from Washington.  The math is close, so we might also have to throw in one of our non-guaranteed contracts.

Boston:
IN: Okafor
OUT: Bass, Terry, 1st round pick (2013)

Washington:
IN: Bass, 1st round pick
OUT: Okafor

Memphis:
IN: Terry
OUT: Trade Exception

I like it however the reality is Boston makes out like a bandit and Washington gets hosed.  why would they go for this?

also, I'm not sure Memphis would want to take on JET for another 2 years when he's producing like crap and they've already shown they want to shed some salary.

[KGs Knee]

I'm still of the opinion moving Bass is going to be difficult, but also still believe the way to move him is in a three-team deal.

Here's an idea I had the other day.  It involves also moving Terry to Memphis for their trade exception from the Rudy Gay deal.  Coming back to Boston would be Emeka Okafor from Washington.  The math is close, so we might also have to throw in one of our non-guaranteed contracts.

Boston:
IN: Okafor
OUT: Bass, Terry, 1st round pick (2013)

Washington:
IN: Bass, 1st round pick
OUT: Okafor

Memphis:
IN: Terry
OUT: Trade Exception

I don't see Memphis doing that at all.  If it was Lee I think it would be far more likely from their position, but that makes it far less palatable for Boston.  Also, not sure what Okafor really does for Boston.  He is an ok player, but he doesn't move Boston tot he Eastern Conference elite and that trade sets back rebuilding (by giving up a pick and making the team a bit better thus hurting the 14 picks draft position).

Okafor only has one year remaining on his contract, so there's no long term salary commitment.  He'd be a very nice fit next to KG (much better than Bass).  Then, at the end of next year, we have KG, Pierce and Okafor all coming off the books (and no more Bass/Terry to worry about).

Why wouldn't Memphis want Terry in return for absolutely nothing (other than salary)?  Memphis might be able to do better with their T.E., but I have seen very few deals involving trade exceptions that end up netting talent much greater than Terry.  T.E.'s just don't carry the value many people think they do.  We'll see how Terry performs in the playoffs.  He still has a chance to reclaim some of his value around the league. 

Ultimately, I'm guessing the reason you don't like the trade is due to your desire to use next year as a rebuilding year.  That's fine, but I disagree.  KG WILL be back next year for one last go around, so I see Okafor as worth the 1st round pick in weak draft.  Clearing Bass and Terry from the books a year early is also an added benefit.

As for Washington, I think it depends on how valuable they see the 16th pick in this year's draft being.  Okafor isn't a highly valued player any more.  One extra year of Bass at substantially less money, plus a 1st is close to fair value.

[Moranis]

I'm still of the opinion moving Bass is going to be difficult, but also still believe the way to move him is in a three-team deal.

Here's an idea I had the other day.  It involves also moving Terry to Memphis for their trade exception from the Rudy Gay deal.  Coming back to Boston would be Emeka Okafor from Washington.  The math is close, so we might also have to throw in one of our non-guaranteed contracts.

Boston:
IN: Okafor
OUT: Bass, Terry, 1st round pick (2013)

Washington:
IN: Bass, 1st round pick
OUT: Okafor

Memphis:
IN: Terry
OUT: Trade Exception

I don't see Memphis doing that at all.  If it was Lee I think it would be far more likely from their position, but that makes it far less palatable for Boston.  Also, not sure what Okafor really does for Boston.  He is an ok player, but he doesn't move Boston tot he Eastern Conference elite and that trade sets back rebuilding (by giving up a pick and making the team a bit better thus hurting the 14 picks draft position).

Okafor only has one year remaining on his contract, so there's no long term salary commitment.  He'd be a very nice fit next to KG (much better than Bass).  Then, at the end of next year, we have KG, Pierce and Okafor all coming off the books (and no more Bass/Terry to worry about).

Why wouldn't Memphis want Terry in return for absolutely nothing (other than salary)?  Memphis might be able to do better with their T.E., but I have seen very few deals involving trade exceptions that end up netting talent much greater than Terry.  T.E.'s just don't carry the value many people think they do.  We'll see how Terry performs in the playoffs.  He still has a chance to reclaim some of his value around the league. 

Ultimately, I'm guessing the reason you don't like the trade is due to your desire to use next year as a rebuilding year.  That's fine, but I disagree.  KG WILL be back next year for one last go around, so I see Okafor as worth the 1st round pick in weak draft.  Clearing Bass and Terry from the books a year early is also an added benefit.

As for Washington, I think it depends on how valuable they see the 16th pick in this year's draft being.  Okafor isn't a highly valued player any more.  One extra year of Bass at substantially less money, plus a 1st is close to fair value.

Memphis has the trade exception because they are cash strapped.  They aren't going to take on worthless salary and end up in the same position.  If it was a younger player that could serve as Tony Allen's replacement, like Courtney Lee, then I think they would be much more likely to do it, but Jason Terry is worthless to them. 

Okafor is better than Bass, no question, but he doesn't elevate Boston to elite status, so I don't see the point in trading a draft pick (and in my opinion Lee) for him.  It is a counter-intuitive trade for Boston's current position.

[KGs Knee]

I'm still of the opinion moving Bass is going to be difficult, but also still believe the way to move him is in a three-team deal.

Here's an idea I had the other day.  It involves also moving Terry to Memphis for their trade exception from the Rudy Gay deal.  Coming back to Boston would be Emeka Okafor from Washington.  The math is close, so we might also have to throw in one of our non-guaranteed contracts.

Boston:
IN: Okafor
OUT: Bass, Terry, 1st round pick (2013)

Washington:
IN: Bass, 1st round pick
OUT: Okafor

Memphis:
IN: Terry
OUT: Trade Exception

I don't see Memphis doing that at all.  If it was Lee I think it would be far more likely from their position, but that makes it far less palatable for Boston.  Also, not sure what Okafor really does for Boston.  He is an ok player, but he doesn't move Boston tot he Eastern Conference elite and that trade sets back rebuilding (by giving up a pick and making the team a bit better thus hurting the 14 picks draft position).

Okafor only has one year remaining on his contract, so there's no long term salary commitment.  He'd be a very nice fit next to KG (much better than Bass).  Then, at the end of next year, we have KG, Pierce and Okafor all coming off the books (and no more Bass/Terry to worry about).

Why wouldn't Memphis want Terry in return for absolutely nothing (other than salary)?  Memphis might be able to do better with their T.E., but I have seen very few deals involving trade exceptions that end up netting talent much greater than Terry.  T.E.'s just don't carry the value many people think they do.  We'll see how Terry performs in the playoffs.  He still has a chance to reclaim some of his value around the league. 

Ultimately, I'm guessing the reason you don't like the trade is due to your desire to use next year as a rebuilding year.  That's fine, but I disagree.  KG WILL be back next year for one last go around, so I see Okafor as worth the 1st round pick in weak draft.  Clearing Bass and Terry from the books a year early is also an added benefit.

As for Washington, I think it depends on how valuable they see the 16th pick in this year's draft being.  Okafor isn't a highly valued player any more.  One extra year of Bass at substantially less money, plus a 1st is close to fair value.

Memphis has the trade exception because they are cash strapped.  They aren't going to take on worthless salary and end up in the same position.  If it was a younger player that could serve as Tony Allen's replacement, like Courtney Lee, then I think they would be much more likely to do it, but Jason Terry is worthless to them. 

Okafor is better than Bass, no question, but he doesn't elevate Boston to elite status, so I don't see the point in trading a draft pick (and in my opinion Lee) for him.  It is a counter-intuitive trade for Boston's current position.

I'll admit, I have no idea what Memphis is exactly thinking.  Maybe they really are that cheap.  Or maybe they just wanted out from Rudy Gay's contract, and plan to use their T.E. on a player who could add some scoring punch to their back-court.  There' no guarantee Bayless returns next year, and they could use the help anyway.

I'm not sure what other team's GM's think about Terry at this point.  Do they see him as an over-the-hill, washed-up combo guard, or as a slightly lesser version of what he was in Dallas?

But maybe it doesn't have to be Memphis as the third team.  I'm sure there's some team out there that would like to have Terry, especially if they didn't have to give up any real assets to do so.

I'll agree, if we had to move Lee to make the deal happen, I'd pass.  The loss of the pick in no way would cause me to hesitate.  I think we have different views on where this team is, and where it should go next year.  I'd like to see us load up for one last run.  Okafor still averages about 10 & 10, he'd be a good fit.

[CFAN38]

Oh goody, another thread that wants to trade "Bass" + "filler" for "a better version of Bass".

Here's another example: I trade you half a pizza for your whole pizza. I'll throw in an empty pizza box to make the weight match! Interested?

What it comes down to is if KG is back, Sully is healthy, and Green gets some minutes as the small ball 4 than Bass doesn't fit in the rotation. Sully and Bass together was a poor defensive pairing.

Danny needs to make some sort of trade this off-season to 1. gain more length at the first big off the bench role to pair with sully
2. consolidate the SG position ideally bringing in a scoring 2/3 to replace lee and terry.

i couldnt have said it any better. u get a TP for that. i think ppl have to be a tad bit more realistic than just "bass + filler = starting calibur PF/C that rebounds, scores, and plays great defense". i personally dont hate bass, and i think he's doing a reasonable job considering the diminished role he's been in all year, but u cant honestly expect to trade in a silver coin, and a bronze coin, and then expect a gold bar out of it.

[Moranis]

I'm still of the opinion moving Bass is going to be difficult, but also still believe the way to move him is in a three-team deal.

Here's an idea I had the other day.  It involves also moving Terry to Memphis for their trade exception from the Rudy Gay deal.  Coming back to Boston would be Emeka Okafor from Washington.  The math is close, so we might also have to throw in one of our non-guaranteed contracts.

Boston:
IN: Okafor
OUT: Bass, Terry, 1st round pick (2013)

Washington:
IN: Bass, 1st round pick
OUT: Okafor

Memphis:
IN: Terry
OUT: Trade Exception

I don't see Memphis doing that at all.  If it was Lee I think it would be far more likely from their position, but that makes it far less palatable for Boston.  Also, not sure what Okafor really does for Boston.  He is an ok player, but he doesn't move Boston tot he Eastern Conference elite and that trade sets back rebuilding (by giving up a pick and making the team a bit better thus hurting the 14 picks draft position).

Okafor only has one year remaining on his contract, so there's no long term salary commitment.  He'd be a very nice fit next to KG (much better than Bass).  Then, at the end of next year, we have KG, Pierce and Okafor all coming off the books (and no more Bass/Terry to worry about).

Why wouldn't Memphis want Terry in return for absolutely nothing (other than salary)?  Memphis might be able to do better with their T.E., but I have seen very few deals involving trade exceptions that end up netting talent much greater than Terry.  T.E.'s just don't carry the value many people think they do.  We'll see how Terry performs in the playoffs.  He still has a chance to reclaim some of his value around the league. 

Ultimately, I'm guessing the reason you don't like the trade is due to your desire to use next year as a rebuilding year.  That's fine, but I disagree.  KG WILL be back next year for one last go around, so I see Okafor as worth the 1st round pick in weak draft.  Clearing Bass and Terry from the books a year early is also an added benefit.

As for Washington, I think it depends on how valuable they see the 16th pick in this year's draft being.  Okafor isn't a highly valued player any more.  One extra year of Bass at substantially less money, plus a 1st is close to fair value.

Memphis has the trade exception because they are cash strapped.  They aren't going to take on worthless salary and end up in the same position.  If it was a younger player that could serve as Tony Allen's replacement, like Courtney Lee, then I think they would be much more likely to do it, but Jason Terry is worthless to them. 

Okafor is better than Bass, no question, but he doesn't elevate Boston to elite status, so I don't see the point in trading a draft pick (and in my opinion Lee) for him.  It is a counter-intuitive trade for Boston's current position.

I'll admit, I have no idea what Memphis is exactly thinking.  Maybe they really are that cheap.  Or maybe they just wanted out from Rudy Gay's contract, and plan to use their T.E. on a player who could add some scoring punch to their back-court.  There' no guarantee Bayless returns next year, and they could use the help anyway.

I'm not sure what other team's GM's think about Terry at this point.  Do they see him as an over-the-hill, washed-up combo guard, or as a slightly lesser version of what he was in Dallas?

But maybe it doesn't have to be Memphis as the third team.  I'm sure there's some team out there that would like to have Terry, especially if they didn't have to give up any real assets to do so.

I'll agree, if we had to move Lee to make the deal happen, I'd pass.  The loss of the pick in no way would cause me to hesitate.  I think we have different views on where this team is, and where it should go next year.  I'd like to see us load up for one last run.  Okafor still averages about 10 & 10, he'd be a good fit.

Terry has no value to anyone.  He is a negative value just like Bass.

[LooseCannon]

Terry has no value to anyone.  He is a negative value just like Bass.

Terry and Bass have value to a playoff team that needs a veteran role player off the bench.  So, you're probably not getting a good big back for Bass if you are trading him to a team where Bass would be an upgrade for their big man rotation.  Such a team trading for Terry or Bass would be like the Lakers acquiring Ramon Sessions, so your reasonable expectation in return should be a player on the level of Luke Walton plus a draft pick.  And if that is what you can expect, why not wait one more season to deal?  Their contracts may even have been crafted to create the flexibility of doing exactly that.

[kozlodoev]

Terry and Bass have value to a playoff team that needs a veteran role player off the bench.

That would pretty much be us.

[jambr380]

I think I am missing something here. Washington traded Rashard Lewis and the 46th pick of the draft for Okafor and Ariza. They were given these supposedly valuable players for a player with negative value and a mid-2nd round pick. I get that New Orleans did this to save $$, but they weren't even able to get a 1st round pick.

I don't know why anybody thinks that we would need to give up anything of value to get Okafor. To put this into perspective - Crawford was playing slightly more and was ouscoring Okafor by 4ppg. I understand Okafor is a more valuable player than Crawford, but not necessarily to the Wizards and we got Crawford for [pretty much] a bag of rocks.

[LooseCannon]

I don't know why anybody thinks that we would need to give up anything of value to get Okafor.

That assumes that a team such as the Wizards will accurately value a player such as Okafor.  It seems perfectly consistent with the team's recent history if Washington simultaneously thinks Okafor is worth more than he actually is and that what another team offers for Okafor is worth less than its actual value.

Or, in other words, the Wizards are stupid so it should not be surprising if they do stupid things.

[Boris Badenov]

I think I am missing something here. Washington traded Rashard Lewis and the 46th pick of the draft for Okafor and Ariza. They were given these supposedly valuable players for a player with negative value and a mid-2nd round pick. I get that New Orleans did this to save $$, but they weren't even able to get a 1st round pick.

I don't know why anybody thinks that we would need to give up anything of value to get Okafor.

Trading those guys saved New Orleans a LOT of money - around $30 million. Okafor and Ariza were owed $41 million at the time of the trade, and Ariza is completely mediocre at this point. I'm guessing there weren't too many other takers.

Okafor by himself, with one year remaining on his contract, is a lot more attractive.

But by the same token I don't think Bass is worth much at all, particularly to a non-contending team. He's a good 5th frontcourt player for a contender - but that kind of team isn't going to trade us a big guy that's better than Bass, even if we throw in a pick - it would make them worse.

[PhoSita]

I think we're more or less stuck with Bass and Terry until they are expiring contracts, guys.

[Moranis]

I think I am missing something here. Washington traded Rashard Lewis and the 46th pick of the draft for Okafor and Ariza. They were given these supposedly valuable players for a player with negative value and a mid-2nd round pick. I get that New Orleans did this to save $$, but they weren't even able to get a 1st round pick.

I don't know why anybody thinks that we would need to give up anything of value to get Okafor. To put this into perspective - Crawford was playing slightly more and was ouscoring Okafor by 4ppg. I understand Okafor is a more valuable player than Crawford, but not necessarily to the Wizards and we got Crawford for [pretty much] a bag of rocks.

You aren't negative value when you are a expiring contract.  Washington gave up an expiring contract for two mediocre players with long term deals on a team that was not even close to contending.  Those deals happen all the time, but require expiring contracts to be traded for the better long term contracts.  This trade is reversed, i.e. Okafor (the better player) is the expiring contract while the mediocre crappy players are signed for multiple years.  Those type of trades just don't happen and there is a reason for it, no one will do them even if a mid-round 1st round pick is included.