Did Rondo's absence exposed Avery's flaws?

[Clench123]

Mainly his offense.  He was never really an offense specialist but Rondo made him look good on that end when he was around (because Rondo had to do a lot of work in getting guys open anyways).  Rondo's haters always like to point out how Avery's defense covers for Rondo's flaws but I think it goes the other way than anything else.  Besides Bass and KG, Avery is another one I think suffers from Rondo's absence.  In this regard, I think they really complement eachother. 

[The Rondo Show]

Mainly his offense.  He was never really an offense specialist but Rondo made him look good on that end when he was around (because Rondo had to do a lot of work in getting guys open anyways).  Rondo's haters always like to point out how Avery's defense covers for Rondo's flaws but I think it goes the other way than anything else.  Besides Bass and KG, Avery is another one I think suffers from Rondo's absence.  In this regard, I think they really complement eachother.

Rondo is the best open-shot creator in the NBA. Everyone around him suffers from his absence.

[scaryjerry]

Yup

[zimbo]

Yes

[GreenEnvy]

Mainly his offense.  He was never really an offense specialist but Rondo made him look good on that end when he was around (because Rondo had to do a lot of work in getting guys open anyways).  Rondo's haters always like to point out how Avery's defense covers for Rondo's flaws but I think it goes the other way than anything else.  Besides Bass and KG, Avery is another one I think suffers from Rondo's absence.  In this regard, I think they really complement eachother.

Rondo is the best open-shot creator in the NBA. Everyone around him suffers from his absence.

Yawn.

Not every NBA player wants to catch-and-shoot with 3 seconds on the shot clock every time they get the ball.


You think Kobe or LeBron would be better NBA players alongside Rondo? No chance.



Avery is clearly struggling right now, and I don't think it has anything to do with who he is or isn't playing with. It's between his ears. His offense is gone and he is forcing every shot and it is also affecting his D.

[The Rondo Show]

Mainly his offense.  He was never really an offense specialist but Rondo made him look good on that end when he was around (because Rondo had to do a lot of work in getting guys open anyways).  Rondo's haters always like to point out how Avery's defense covers for Rondo's flaws but I think it goes the other way than anything else.  Besides Bass and KG, Avery is another one I think suffers from Rondo's absence.  In this regard, I think they really complement eachother.

Rondo is the best open-shot creator in the NBA. Everyone around him suffers from his absence.

Yawn.

Not every NBA player wants to catch-and-shoot with 3 seconds on the shot clock every time they get the ball.


You think Kobe or LeBron would be better NBA players alongside Rondo? No chance.



Avery is clearly struggling right now, and I don't think it has anything to do with who he is or isn't playing with. It's between his ears. His offense is gone and he is forcing every shot and it is also affecting his D.

OBVIOUSLY the two best players in the world don't need Rondo lol. We're talking about a bunch of role players on the Celtics. If you truly don't think losing Rondo was a big hit for EVERYONE, you're kidding yourself.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Avery shouldn't be playing PG. That said, he's also missing plenty of easy shots that he normally makes, particularly layups. He's not finishing as strong on the rim either as he did previously, I figure some of it have to do with his time off recovering from shoulder surgery.

But yes, Rondo's absence has a big negative impact on Avery's effectiveness, but Avery wasn't being an effective offensive player this year regardless, so there's not enough evidence to suggest that Rondo is the reason for his struggles. I'm of the opinion that Avery playing a different role, and missing half a season to his injury have more to do with it. He also needs to become more disciplined offensively, taking too many ill-advised shots, he needs to cut those down.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

No.

He was bad offensively this season WITH RR!

Now, if you say that not having a PG at all makes AB worse, I'd agree. AB having to be the PG and forcing it is his main problem. Then there is his confidence, even last season, b4 AB gained confidence in his offense he was TERRIBLE! He is the true definition of a person who looks outside for confidence offensively (unlike someone like Kobe or PP, they think if they miss 20 shots in a row, they truly believe 21 is going in, AB hopes/wishes 21 is going in)... if he misses a couple shots he continues to miss. Just like when he makes a couple in a row it almost becomes automatic. If AB can put 2-3 good offensive games together I think it will help him tremendously. Also, doc needs to stop making him a PG b/c he isn't one!


Edit: we always knew AB's flaws, he was never suppose to be a PG (even though Doc tried to force it on him a few times b4 Ray went down)! Even last season everyone would cry when Doc tried to let AB handle backup PG duties.

Get a PG and AB goes to his natural 2!

RR makes everyone better of course... but with or w/o RR, AB isn't a PG and that's the problem. He is like Ray, stand and shoot, not a facilitator or creator.

[crimson_stallion]

People, don't forget how bag Jeff Green looked for about the first three months of the season.  It took that long just for him to start looking decent, let alone getting to the high level he's playing at now.

I think AB will get more comfortable at PG the longer he plays it - he may never become a proper PG, but he'll get more used to handling the ball, calling plays, etc.

Far as his scoring goes I find he's getting some good shots that he would normally make, but they just aren't falling.  Same was true for Jeff Green early in the season before he got in his rythm. 

Give it time

[Celtics4ever]

With Jeff playing like he is playing now we'd be a better team with Rondo.   But people here probably blame Rondo for Jeff not recovering from heart surgery fast enough.

Bradley has always been flawed but he has unique skills too.  I think his shot will continue to improve over time.  But one thing Rondo does well is set up people for jumpers, PP is doing a nice job though.

Bradley is a defensive guard, any shots he makes is gravy.  What he does is try to shut down the other team.

[Juneauz]

Mainly his offense.  He was never really an offense specialist but Rondo made him look good on that end when he was around (because Rondo had to do a lot of work in getting guys open anyways).  Rondo's haters always like to point out how Avery's defense covers for Rondo's flaws but I think it goes the other way than anything else.  Besides Bass and KG, Avery is another one I think suffers from Rondo's absence.  In this regard, I think they really complement eachother.

Rondo is the best open-shot creator in the NBA. Everyone around him suffers from his absence.

Yawn.

Not every NBA player wants to catch-and-shoot with 3 seconds on the shot clock every time they get the ball.


You think Kobe or LeBron would be better NBA players alongside Rondo? No chance.



Avery is clearly struggling right now, and I don't think it has anything to do with who he is or isn't playing with. It's between his ears. His offense is gone and he is forcing every shot and it is also affecting his D.

Both Kobe and Lebron would probably give away their left foot to have a chance to play with Rondo. They both stated thousand times that he's one of their favourite players.

[BballTim]

Mainly his offense.  He was never really an offense specialist but Rondo made him look good on that end when he was around (because Rondo had to do a lot of work in getting guys open anyways).  Rondo's haters always like to point out how Avery's defense covers for Rondo's flaws but I think it goes the other way than anything else.  Besides Bass and KG, Avery is another one I think suffers from Rondo's absence.  In this regard, I think they really complement eachother.

Rondo is the best open-shot creator in the NBA. Everyone around him suffers from his absence.

Yawn.

Not every NBA player wants to catch-and-shoot with 3 seconds on the shot clock every time they get the ball.


You think Kobe or LeBron would be better NBA players alongside Rondo? No chance.

  Yawn.

  The Celts (with Rondo) didn't take any more shots with 3 seconds on the shot clock than other teams. And I'd be curious to hear why PP had the most efficient scoring years of his career with Rondo running the offense but Kobe and LeBron wouldn't benefit from playing with Rondo.

[slamtheking]

Mainly his offense.  He was never really an offense specialist but Rondo made him look good on that end when he was around (because Rondo had to do a lot of work in getting guys open anyways).  Rondo's haters always like to point out how Avery's defense covers for Rondo's flaws but I think it goes the other way than anything else.  Besides Bass and KG, Avery is another one I think suffers from Rondo's absence.  In this regard, I think they really complement eachother.

his lack of offensive game was pretty much known.  not sure if it qualifies as exposed now.  Playing with Rondo can make a lot of offensively-challenged players look pretty good.  (despite what a number of Rondo detractors would say)

[CelticConcourse]

It kind of did, thinking about it...

[pearljammer10]

AB just isnt a good offensive player. People forget that he had a string of 14 decent offense game in one season. He's a terrible finisher and is not a very good shooter. He is decent at the corner three and gets his best offense from garbage points and nice cuts.

He wasn't a good offensive player with Rondo...He certainly isnt a good offensive player without him.