Has Jeff Green Arrived?

[CelticG1]

Another thing that I feel isn't being mentioned enough is Jeff's defense on James last night.  Yes, Lebron put up some big overall numbers, but Green stopped him one on one on three consecutive possessions down the stretch before James hit that big contested jumper late in the game.

True and we more or less left him on an island to guard him.

Loved greens offense tonight and taking it to the whole. Against shane battier was pretty impressive too as well as others.

He has such a soft touch around the rim and it looks better and better every game. With more confidence that could be a consistent look for him.

It was lebron like last night with us clearing it out for him to steam roll to the basket.

[pearljammer10]

He didn't 'just score 43 points". He scored 43 points against the world chamnpions who just so happen to be on the second longest streak in NBA history. Scoring 43 against Cleveland is one thing, against Miami is another.

His game is incositent but it's becoming more consistent as he gets healthier. Once he develps a 'stop and pop' he is going to become special.

He didnt just score 43 points. He scored 43 against the Heat, while playing stellar defense on the worlds "best" (ugh) player, while also having the KG effect.

Everytime Green came out of the game last night, the Heat went on a streak to get back into the game. When Doc took Green out with 7 minutes in the fourth quarter I knew we were going to loose the game. What a dumb move that resulted in what a 9 - 0 or 11 - 0 run in about two and a half minutes after we had just gotten the lead to 13? I get that you need to give players rest. But on a night like last night, I dont care how dogged Green was, you dont take a player having a game of a lifetime and a true positive effect on the entire game like that out in crunch time like that.

[kgainez]

Jeff Green may have finally arrived last night, but the kid's been on his way for the last two months. 

Over the course of the past 24 games (including last night), he's been averaging 15.6 points, 4.2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1.3 blocks while shooting 50% from the field, 40% from three, and 85% from the line in about 31 minutes per game.

Keep it up, Jeff!!

thank you
I think to say he's arrived is a little insulting

he may not have had games with higher points, but he's had games with GREAT impact
he's been here for a while. everyone's just to busy or too over critical.

[Bahku]

Jeff Green may have finally arrived last night, but the kid's been on his way for the last two months. 

Over the course of the past 24 games (including last night), he's been averaging 15.6 points, 4.2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1.3 blocks while shooting 50% from the field, 40% from three, and 85% from the line in about 31 minutes per game.

Keep it up, Jeff!!

thank you
I think to say he's arrived is a little insulting

he may not have had games with higher points, but he's had games with GREAT impact
he's been here for a while. everyone's just to busy or too over critical.

Insulting?!?

He's been improving here-and-there for the last couple of months, but still inconsistent and up-and-down with his performances ... he's finally getting the minutes he deserves to prove that he's not just a flash-in-the-pan.

Saying he's "arrived" is a compliment, and far from insulting. I don't believe you understood the post if you think I was being insulting ... that was not remotely what I was saying.

[KGs Knee]

Arrived where?

As a consitent threat, to take over games as he did last night?  Hardly.  Did we already forget the egg he just layed with Pierce out last week against Charlotte?

Look, I give Green major props for showing up last night and taking on the challenge of equalling LeBron, almost blow for blow.  I gave him his due last night, in multiple threads.

I do not think last night's game is definitive proof he is capable of doing what he did last night consistently.  You know how you prove that?  By actually doing it consistently.  He has not, yet.  I hope he can, though, and am beginning to actually think it is within the realm of possibility.  That is progress to me.

[Bahku]

Arrived where?

As a consitent threat, to take over games as he did last night?  Hardly.  Did we already forget the egg he just layed with Pierce out last week against Charlotte?

Look, I give Green major props for showing up last night and taking on the challenge of equalling LeBron, almost blow for blow.  I gave him his due last night, in multiple threads.

I do not think last night's game is definitive proof he is capable of doing what he did last night consistently.  You know how you prove that?  By actually doing it consistently.  He has not, yet.  I hope he can, though, and am beginning to actually think it is within the realm of possibility.  That is progress to me.

This is turning into a discussion of the semantics of the word "arrived" ... I think the meaning of my post was pretty clear, that he has found a place on this team, desrves more minutes in order to prove his role, and needs to follow it up with consistent efforts of the same. You can use the word "arrived" in many ways, and attach any connotation to it you like, but I explained the context quite clearly, and backed it up with how I intended it used in this instance. That's where.

[CelticG1]

I think he's been extremely consistent since Rondos been out.

Unless by consistent you mean never havng a bad game.

First half of the season he was inconsistent. 2nd half he's been consistently good. The numbers don't lie.

[KGs Knee]

Arrived where?

As a consitent threat, to take over games as he did last night?  Hardly.  Did we already forget the egg he just layed with Pierce out last week against Charlotte?

Look, I give Green major props for showing up last night and taking on the challenge of equalling LeBron, almost blow for blow.  I gave him his due last night, in multiple threads.

I do not think last night's game is definitive proof he is capable of doing what he did last night consistently.  You know how you prove that?  By actually doing it consistently.  He has not, yet.  I hope he can, though, and am beginning to actually think it is within the realm of possibility.  That is progress to me.

This is turning into a discussion of the semantics of the word "arrived" ... I think the meaning of my post was pretty clear, that he has found a place on this team, desrves more minutes in order to prove his role, and needs to follow it up with consistent efforts of the same. You can use the word "arrived" in many ways, and attach any connotation to it you like, but I explained the context quite clearly, and backed it up with how I intended it used in this instance. That's where.

Well, I'd agree that Green deserves more of a role in the offense, and deserves to be getting minutes similar to last night.  I've felt that way for a while, if for nothing other than that is what he is being paid to do and was expected of him (at least by the team anyway).

I guess I didn't think it was all that clear, exactly where you were saying he had "arrived".  I wasn't trying to be arguementative, though, so I'm not sure why you're getting defensive.

Yeah, Jeff Green is starting to give me hope he can be more than just a mediocre player.  He has the talent.  He just needs to be more consistently agressive, but has been making quite a bit of progress.  Hopefully, as his role increases, he can further develope these attributes.  It'd be a rare situation that a player this far into his career does so, but he wouldn't be the 1st.  Chauncey Billups and Steve Nash come to mind.

So yeah, Green is starting to grow on me.  I'll be thrilled if Green ends up proving me wrong (from what I thought even just a couple of months ago).  I'm still cautious however.

[Brendan]

Makes me feel better about saying Green should start with Pierce in the Ginobli role off the bench (when we still had Rondo).

[arctic 3.0]

My takeaway from this game is that green is a 4.
Start him next to kg. we don't really loose much in the rebounding dept and we gain SO much.

[KGs Knee]

My takeaway from this game is that green is a 4.
Start him next to kg. we don't really loose much in the rebounding dept and we gain SO much.

Yeah, with the way most teams play now, this is something that probably would be to our benefit.  Still, against teams that start a more traditional fron-court pairing, it is problematic.

Green still has probllems defending guys like Love, Griffin, Z.Randoplh, West, Milsap, etc..  Lukily, most all of these players play out West.  Not too many traditional front-court pairings in the East.

[timobusa]

I was amazed at how Green was able to drive right every single time. The defenders knew he was going right, we all know he is going right, but nobody could stop him. That to me, is a sign of his elite athleticism. When he learns how to drive left, or drive hard and pull up similar to how Paul does, boy he will be something special.

I agree. I think he does have that drive and pull up in his arsenal, I've seen him do it a couple of times. But obviously not as effective as Paul's.

And oh! He went left a handful of times last night.

When this guy is on, He is almost un-guardable.
They put Lebroid on him, they put Birdman, Shane Battier, Haslem, Wade, all their best defenders couldn't stop him.

I hope this is just the start of many stellar games for Green.

[Celtics18]

Arrived where?

As a consitent threat, to take over games as he did last night?  Hardly.  Did we already forget the egg he just layed with Pierce out last week against Charlotte?

Look, I give Green major props for showing up last night and taking on the challenge of equalling LeBron, almost blow for blow.  I gave him his due last night, in multiple threads.

I do not think last night's game is definitive proof he is capable of doing what he did last night consistently.  You know how you prove that?  By actually doing it consistently.  He has not, yet.  I hope he can, though, and am beginning to actually think it is within the realm of possibility.  That is progress to me.

Let's be cautious, here.  It is not in the "realm of possibility" for Jeff Green to do what he did last night consistently.  He's not going to start averaging 40 points a game. 

Now that he's scored 43 points in a ball game, I wonder if people are going to say that he's not living up to his potential if he gets, say, 16 points on 12 shots in the next game. 

[Fafnir]

My takeaway from this game is that green is a 4.
Start him next to kg. we don't really loose much in the rebounding dept and we gain SO much.

Yeah, with the way most teams play now, this is something that probably would be to our benefit.  Still, against teams that start a more traditional fron-court pairing, it is problematic.

Green still has probllems defending guys like Love, Griffin, Z.Randoplh, West, Milsap, etc..  Lukily, most all of these players play out West.  Not too many traditional front-court pairings in the East.

Against Miami staring Green is the way to go, even at full strength. Green gives us a bigger advantage over Haslem than Bass does, and if they go to their best lineup of Battier/Ray/Wade/LBJ/Bosh its our best matchup.

Against most other teams I think starting Bass and going from there is still best.

[KGs Knee]

Arrived where?

As a consitent threat, to take over games as he did last night?  Hardly.  Did we already forget the egg he just layed with Pierce out last week against Charlotte?

Look, I give Green major props for showing up last night and taking on the challenge of equalling LeBron, almost blow for blow.  I gave him his due last night, in multiple threads.

I do not think last night's game is definitive proof he is capable of doing what he did last night consistently.  You know how you prove that?  By actually doing it consistently.  He has not, yet.  I hope he can, though, and am beginning to actually think it is within the realm of possibility.  That is progress to me.

Let's be cautious, here.  It is not in the "realm of possibility" for Jeff Green to do what he did last night consistently.  He's not going to start averaging 40 points a game. 

Now that he's scored 43 points in a ball game, I wonder if people are going to say that he's not living up to his potential if he gets, say, 16 points on 12 shots in the next game.

No, I don't expect Green to score 40 points every night now.  One game never moves me that much.  What I do expect from Green, as he's shown what he is capable of when doing so, is playing with that type of "fire" every night.

Whether that results in 15 points, 25 point, or 40 points, is ancillary.  The point is, he should be exerting his will on the game more frequently, as good things seem to happen when he does.