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Re: Giving credit
« Reply #15 on: March 09, 2013, 12:10:16 PM »

Offline Celtics18

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I think it is tough to blame Doc.  He is doing what he can with the players he has.  Rondo can't play this style offense because simply put he has a bad outside shot and defenders cheat off of him.  It will be very difficult next year to reincorporate Rondo into this offense because it simply doesn't fit his skill set. 

Rondo's effectiveness in our offense came from a very calculated offense which depended on great court vision and incredible timing.  He is great at finding guys that can't necessarily create for themselves.  The two best examples of this are Ray Allen and Brandon Bass.  Another player I might include would be Wilcox.  It also didn't hurt to have PP and KG alongside him.  In my opinion, Green, Bradley, and Sullinger are the team's future and these players don't need a "true" point guard, they need a guard who can consistently hit 18 footers.

My whole thing with Rondo is that it is incredibly difficult to build around him.  I think if the Celtics were to trade him they should move Bass along with him since they compliment each other.  Call every GM and say the two are available as a package for the best guard (that can also hit an outside shot) or center.

In terms of what he will be asked to do when he comes back, we will asking Rondo not be be Rondo, and if he is not Rondo then who does he become?  He is not a good shooter so there is not really a point in moving without the ball or trying to get open outside.  He just adds one more pass needed to find a guy who can shoot.  Defenders can sag of him, the court shrinks again and there is one less player who can put the ball in from outside.

At the risk of offending dmopower, who started this thread specifically for those who want to praise him or those that share his opinion, I disagree with much of this. 

I think it's only true to some extent that Rondo only excels in a "calculated offense."  It seems to me that when he is at his absolutely best is in those instances where he and the team are able to push the tempo and play at a fast pace. 

I agree that he is great at finding guys who can't necessarily create for themselves.  I see Green, Bradley, and Sullinger as being such players.  Sure, those guys (particularly Green) can create offense, but nowhere near at elite levels.  I think a "true point guard" benefits those guys greatly.  It's also nice that Rondo has shown recently that he can consistently hit 18 footers. 

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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
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PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Giving credit
« Reply #16 on: March 09, 2013, 05:00:55 PM »

Offline Boston Garden Leprechaun

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Ok we have had a large enough sample, now it's time to give props to those with the eye Keen enough to see the Rondo Effect before it was provable.

 There were a few posters on this board that saw the Rondo Effect and called it before he even went down.

 I believe it is appropriate to Take our hats off to these guys and openly recognize their insight.

 I as all of you have watched a ball game with a friend or friends and were watching the same play but saw different things. It happens all of the time.

 Some people watch the ball as it moves while others are watching the weak side motion or lack there of.

 Still there are the fans that seem to see it all. It has been my experience that the ones that see it all, play the game that same way. They just seem to know where everyone is all the time.

 I'm not going to name any names but I would like to take a second to say......Good eye guys!!!

THANKS!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Re: Giving credit
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2013, 02:20:18 PM »

Offline dmopower

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Come on.  Push the ball if there's nothing there back it out look the floor over. Pass left go right set a screen cut through the paint set a bac@k pick on a post or high post player move back out or cut to the hoop if its open.

These are all solid thikngs rondo can do even being a bad shooter that are more productive. Than pounding the ball.  Good Grief.  Have the kid watch some John stockton video please.

And no I don't need your sarcastic attitude. I just believe these guys got ripped when they mentioned it. So I thought it appropiate to give them some love.  We can't all be haters.
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