If the Celtics can get multiple 2013 first round picks

[Tr1boy]

With KG and PP we still have a chance to win it all. Plus the our team is stacked with good talent in Jeff Green, AB, Lee, Jet.

But if we either lose to Miami again or don't make it out of the east, i look for KG to retire. Maybe either way, we win it all or don't win it all, i believe this is his last year. In addition to his pre All Star game comment, he just looks gassed out on the court and definitely has lost a step. With this said, the aftermath is that  Paul Pierce will want out. This will bring us in another 1st round pick through a trade. I can see maybe the need for the Jet going down, which can net us another 1st round pick. Lastly its still possible for an Injured Rondo to be traded (for a 1st) , especially if there are worries he will bring down the rest of the guys play.

So lets say the celts get 6-8th spot into the playoffs which is about the 15-17 pick.

Pierce gets traded to Brooklyn, who is going to get us a 22-24 pick. And lastly Terry gets traded to a contender for 25-30 pick.

My three picks for the future

1. 15-17th pick - CJ Mccollum - Injury is going to be a big reason why we can get him this low. Another Avery Bradley situation. But unlike Bradley this guy is a world class scorer. Clutch player, that works hard on both ends of the court and is a tweener which is no issue since danny loves these guys.

2. Doug Mcdermott - Like some of have said may never be a FT starter in the nba. But if you want firepower off the bench and 3 point specialty, this is the guy you want to draft. Jeff Green easily slides to be the starter. But I wouldn't be surprised Mcdermott somehow forces his way into the starting lineup vs certain matchups or in general

3. Jeff Withey -  Like Mcdermott, if we get Withey in the 20's i will not believe my eyes. This guy has Jeff Foster, Tyson Chandler written all over him. Tremendous length. Runs like a deer, pretty athletic, blocks all kinds of shot and unlike Fab Melo, can rebound, has sure hands and has a decent handle. Not a complete KG replacement, but having him with Sully manage the interior makes me feel at ease for years to come.

post kg/pp blowup + draft addition lineup

Starting - Withey , Sully, Green , AB, Mcollum
Bench - Mcdermott, Lee, Bass, Melo, Crawford, Williams

thoughts?

[Evantime34]

McDermott will be taken in the second, but props for throuwing out three names you liked this early.

Here are the three guys I am interested in:
1. Gorgui Dieng: Athletic rim protector that can get steals and can close out quickly.
2. Kelly Olynyk: Center that can score out of the post, with good lateral quickness he could help our defense by getting in position and taking charges.
3. Victor Oladipo: If we were to trade up this is a guy would like to get, he has the length and defensive acumen that paired with Avery Bradley on the wing could give opposing offenses fits. Very good but still raw with a lot of room for improvement.

[Tr1boy]

McDermott will be taken in the second, but props for throuwing out three names you liked this early.

Here are the three guys I am interested in:
1. Gorgui Jiang: Athletic rim protector that can get steals and can close out quickly.
2. Kelly Olynyk: Center that can score out of the post, with good lateral quickness he could help our defense by getting in position and taking charges.
3. Victor Oladipo: If we were to trade up this is a guy would like to get, he has the length and defensive acumen that paired with Avery Bradley on the wing could give opposing offenses fits. Very good but still raw with a lot of room for improvement.

Yours is a decent list but certainly based more on potential than actually proven. Of course sometimes these guys pan out in a big way. I have not heard or seen Jiang.
Olyknyk has mediocre quickness and athleticism. Body could improve. I agree he has skills underneath but for some reason in the end of it all i can just picture another Spencer Hawes. Victor Oladipo while a beast physically just doesn't have the shooting, handles to do much in the nba. These kind of skills you rarely see develop late in a players career. 

We need players moving forward that can pretty much immediately contribute vs projects like Melo

[Tr1boy]

A few other guys fallen from the charts that can be possibly had,  are Glen Robinson iii and Isiah Austin.

Robinson has all the tools of the top 5 pick but the drive to be the best is not there. At times disappears from the game and instead of scoring likes to pass the ball up.

Isiah Austin has Alridge written all over him but the low FG percentage is worrison. Also his ability to put on strength.

Again i think the celtics should pick up proven vs potential , especially if kg and pp are going to leave the team. Look at what Sully the proven did for us vs Melo who we all worry may never play in the nba

[CelticsFan9]

McDermott will be taken in the second, but props for throuwing out three names you liked this early.

Here are the three guys I am interested in:
1. Gorgui Jiang: Athletic rim protector that can get steals and can close out quickly.
2. Kelly Olynyk: Center that can score out of the post, with good lateral quickness he could help our defense by getting in position and taking charges.
3. Victor Oladipo: If we were to trade up this is a guy would like to get, he has the length and defensive acumen that paired with Avery Bradley on the wing could give opposing offenses fits. Very good but still raw with a lot of room for improvement.

Yours is a decent list but certainly based more on potential than actually proven. Of course sometimes these guys pan out in a big way. I have not heard or seen Jiang.
Olyknyk has mediocre quickness and athleticism. Body could improve. I agree he has skills underneath but for some reason in the end of it all i can just picture another Spencer Hawes. Victor Oladipo while a beast physically just doesn't have the shooting, handles to do much in the nba. These kind of skills you rarely see develop late in a players career. 

We need players moving forward that can pretty much immediately contribute vs projects like Melo

He means Gorgui Dieng, center for Louisville.  He is not coming out this year, as he is a junior.  However, he is going to be a very solid player in the league.  Maybe next year.

I like Jeff Withey as a solid center prospect.  Plus, he's a guy who, unlike Melo, can give us minutes right away.

[slamtheking]

With KG and PP we still have a chance to win it all. Plus the our team is stacked with good talent in Jeff Green, AB, Lee, Jet.

But if we either lose to Miami again or don't make it out of the east, i look for KG to retire. Maybe either way, we win it all or don't win it all, i believe this is his last year. In addition to his pre All Star game comment, he just looks gassed out on the court and definitely has lost a step. With this said, the aftermath is that  Paul Pierce will want out. This will bring us in another 1st round pick through a trade. I can see maybe the need for the Jet going down, which can net us another 1st round pick. Lastly its still possible for an Injured Rondo to be traded (for a 1st) , especially if there are worries he will bring down the rest of the guys play.

So lets say the celts get 6-8th spot into the playoffs which is about the 15-17 pick.

Pierce gets traded to Brooklyn, who is going to get us a 22-24 pick. And lastly Terry gets traded to a contender for 25-30 pick.

My three picks for the future

1. 15-17th pick - CJ Mccollum - Injury is going to be a big reason why we can get him this low. Another Avery Bradley situation. But unlike Bradley this guy is a world class scorer. Clutch player, that works hard on both ends of the court and is a tweener which is no issue since danny loves these guys.

2. Doug Mcdermott - Like some of have said may never be a FT starter in the nba. But if you want firepower off the bench and 3 point specialty, this is the guy you want to draft. Jeff Green easily slides to be the starter. But I wouldn't be surprised Mcdermott somehow forces his way into the starting lineup vs certain matchups or in general

3. Jeff Withey -  Like Mcdermott, if we get Withey in the 20's i will not believe my eyes. This guy has Jeff Foster, Tyson Chandler written all over him. Tremendous length. Runs like a deer, pretty athletic, blocks all kinds of shot and unlike Fab Melo, can rebound, has sure hands and has a decent handle. Not a complete KG replacement, but having him with Sully manage the interior makes me feel at ease for years to come.

post kg/pp blowup + draft addition lineup

Starting - Withey , Sully, Green , AB, Mcollum
Bench - Mcdermott, Lee, Bass, Melo, Crawford, Williams

thoughts?

I don't see this scenario playing out at all as you've speculated.  However, IF KG were to retire AND PP demanded a trade AND Danny traded Rondo for just a first round pick 
I would hope Danny would get a much better return for PP and Rondo that just a single draft pick for each in a mediocre/shallow draft class.  I'd rather see Danny load up for picks in the next draft where there's much better and more plentiful top-level talent expected to be available.

[Evantime34]

McDermott will be taken in the second, but props for throuwing out three names you liked this early.

Here are the three guys I am interested in:
1. Gorgui Jiang: Athletic rim protector that can get steals and can close out quickly.
2. Kelly Olynyk: Center that can score out of the post, with good lateral quickness he could help our defense by getting in position and taking charges.
3. Victor Oladipo: If we were to trade up this is a guy would like to get, he has the length and defensive acumen that paired with Avery Bradley on the wing could give opposing offenses fits. Very good but still raw with a lot of room for improvement.

Yours is a decent list but certainly based more on potential than actually proven. Of course sometimes these guys pan out in a big way. I have not heard or seen Jiang.
Olyknyk has mediocre quickness and athleticism. Body could improve. I agree he has skills underneath but for some reason in the end of it all i can just picture another Spencer Hawes. Victor Oladipo while a beast physically just doesn't have the shooting, handles to do much in the nba. These kind of skills you rarely see develop late in a players career. 

We need players moving forward that can pretty much immediately contribute vs projects like Melo

My bad on the spelling Dieng from Louisville.

shooting is absolutely something that develops. Look at Jason Kidd, Rondo, Lebron, Pierce, Karl Malone, ect. They all improved their jumpers greatly as their career went along.

I think drafting someone who can contribute right away would be nice. However if they can get a player that can be a star for the C's after several years of development, they have to roll the dice.

Also I think because of their defense Dieng and Oladipo could both play immediately.

Olynyak has good lateraly quickness he just doesn't jump that high.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OoIJ8h-WnL8

I holeheartedly agree on Withey though. He could be a perfect shot blocker for this team and I can see him developing more too.

[dasani]

I'd be surprised if some of the names mentioned translate well in the nba. Really surprised.

[crimson_stallion]

This draft is garbage, and even in a strong draft there are no guarantees that any player will work out (see: Darko, Olowokandi). 

I'd much rather make a trade for known talent (ime. Bledsoe, D Jordan, Josh Smith) rather than a bunch if picks who will may all turn out end of bench guys.

I don't believe in picks unless its a stacked draft class or they are lottery.

[CoachBo]

Not a strong draft - although I'd be happy to use our first on McDermott. The people on this board who can't see what he's going to be in the league are, in a word, wrong.

[CelticConcourse]

Not a strong draft - although I'd be happy to use our first on McDermott. The people on this board who can't see what he's going to be in the league are, in a word, wrong.

Didn't some people say he'd be a second-rounder?

[CoachBo]

And they would be wrong. McDermott is a clear first rounder.

Would have been hilarious to read this board back in the late 70s to see what the "experts" were saying about Larry Bird. McDermott isn't Bird. Yet. But he's a lot better than some of the silliness being posted about him on this board.

[CelticsFan9]

Not a strong draft - although I'd be happy to use our first on McDermott. The people on this board who can't see what he's going to be in the league are, in a word, wrong.

What a riveting explanation of how those posters are "wrong."

[Evantime34]

And they would be wrong. McDermott is a clear first rounder.

Would have been hilarious to read this board back in the late 70s to see what the "experts" were saying about Larry Bird. McDermott isn't Bird. Yet. But he's a lot better than some of the silliness being posted about him on this board.

According to the mocks McDermott is not a clear first rounder. So I guess the draft experts know less about draft prospects than you do.

[Galeto]

And they would be wrong. McDermott is a clear first rounder.

Would have been hilarious to read this board back in the late 70s to see what the "experts" were saying about Larry Bird. McDermott isn't Bird. Yet. But he's a lot better than some of the silliness being posted about him on this board.

Shouldn't it be sacrilege to bring up Larry Freaking Bird of all people in this forum to defend an unathletic prospect from cynicism?  McDermott is no Larry Bird.  McDermott averages the half the boards Bird did and about 1/4 the assists.  I don't know how many steals Bird had but considering he averaged 1.6 steals with the Celtics, it must have been a healthy amount.  Meanwhile, McDermott has 25 steals total in his three years at Creighton for an average of 0.2 steals a game.  I don't know how many blocks Bird had either but since he averaged 0.8 blocks with the Celtics, it must have been more than McDermott's 0.1 average.

If McDermott was not just a high volume scorer but a complete, well-rounded player like Bird, I'd think more highly of him.

Since you're a fan of McDermott, how do you rate his lateral quickness?  Do you think he can stay in front of NBA swingman?  How about his post game?  Will he be able to have the same kind of success?  In what kind of ways will  he able to create out on the perimeter?  Do you think he can be a top 10 small forward?