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Re: DJ White
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2013, 11:24:15 AM »

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We need 2 type of players rigt now to fill out our roster.

1.  A big that can defend the rim and rebound.  Period.  No offensive skills (besides finishing uncontested shots at the rim) are necessary.

2. A guard that can attack the basket.  He does not necessarily need to be a great shooter from the outside.  Think Aaron Brooks.  He is now the third-string pg in Sactown.  Hopefully, he gets bought out.

Re: DJ White
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2013, 11:36:30 AM »

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Not sure what people are expecting when signing castoffs.

Sometimes, teams make bad personnel decisions.  Instead of journeyman who have bounced around several NBA teams or veterans well into their decline, I'm more interested in guys who never got a fair chance to show what they have in the NBA, either because they never caught on in with a team or because they never got enough playing time for a poorly-run team.  That may sound counter-intuitive, but guys who couldn't get playing time with bad teams should be looked at more closely because they are more likely to have been misused or under-utlized than players who couldn't get playing time on well-run teams.
There is a reason why finding a gem in the rough rarely happens like this -- there are 30 GMs doing due diligence in the league. Sure, you can slip by a handful of them because they're duds, but if you can play in the NBA, you eventually end up somewhere.

I'd argue that it happens less often than it should.  Teams tend to over-value veterans and known quantities relative to players with little or no NBA experience who are more unknown quantities.  GMS often seem to have emotional ties to players they drafted and are unwilling to admit a mistake by cutting such a player in favor of someone who may have gone undrafted.

By understanding the biases of NBA front offices, you can come up with a profile of players who will be undervalued by teams.  If many teams are squeamish about under-sized players, you might find value by getting shorter players who are more productive than guys who have a couple of inches on them.  Right now, it is obvious that the D-League will always have at least a few guys who can step in and contribute right away in the NBA, although it is not obvious who those guys are.  It is just as obvious that some teams are overly skeptical of the D-League and don't see it as a resource. 

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Re: DJ White
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2013, 12:19:03 PM »

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I don't think DJ White needs to be all that good; the question is whether or not he can give us the equivalent of Collins in one form or anther.  This may mean more Wilcox at C and White at PF but int the net, are we going to be any worse off with White over Collins?

If White can net out with what Collins gave us (and he probably can) then you can look at this as trading Collins for Crawford and White (Barbosa was done playing anyway).  It is not going to solve all our problems but is a pretty darned good step in the right direction.

Re: DJ White
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2013, 12:30:01 PM »

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2. A guard that can attack the basket.  He does not necessarily need to be a great shooter from the outside.  Think Aaron Brooks.  He is now the third-string pg in Sactown.  Hopefully, he gets bought out.
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Re: DJ White
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2013, 12:30:37 PM »

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I don't think DJ White needs to be all that good; the question is whether or not he can give us the equivalent of Collins in one form or anther.  This may mean more Wilcox at C and White at PF but int the net, are we going to be any worse off with White over Collins?

If White can net out with what Collins gave us (and he probably can) then you can look at this as trading Collins for Crawford and White (Barbosa was done playing anyway).  It is not going to solve all our problems but is a pretty darned good step in the right direction.

White seems to be a very different player from Collins - acceptable on offense and atrocious on D. At least from what I can see, Charlotte was much worse defensively with him on the floor, for the last two seasons.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11CHA12.HTM

It's not like he was backing up anyone decent either.

Still, he's at least a borderline NBA player. Just not someone who's going to make us better defensively, or help to guard real centers like Collins could.

Re: DJ White
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2013, 12:40:43 PM »

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Been pushing him on this board -- now it looks like Ryan and Danny have been listening....

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Hearing that Celtics have former Charlotte big man D.J. White in their sights for 10-day deal now that White's season in China is over





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Re: DJ White
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2013, 12:44:16 PM »

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One thing to keep in mind with D.J. White is he's a slightly worse rebounder than Bass.

So he's not going to help us much there.

bass only averages 4.4 for his career. So this guy will give us 2 or 3 boards?
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Re: DJ White
« Reply #37 on: February 22, 2013, 12:50:31 PM »

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One thing to keep in mind with D.J. White is he's a slightly worse rebounder than Bass.

So he's not going to help us much there.

bass only averages 4.4 for his career. So this guy will give us 2 or 3 boards?

DJ White has a career 12.2 rebounding percentage, including 10.9% last season.  Bass is 12.4% for his career, including 11.2% this season.  If you believe that players usually see their rebounding rates decrease when they join the Celtics, due to a lower emphasis on rebounding, then White will probably rebound slightly worse than Bass.
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Re: DJ White
« Reply #38 on: February 22, 2013, 12:54:18 PM »

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DJ White is like Bass without the athleticism.

Re: DJ White
« Reply #39 on: February 22, 2013, 12:55:46 PM »

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One thing to keep in mind with D.J. White is he's a slightly worse rebounder than Bass.

So he's not going to help us much there.

bass only averages 4.4 for his career. So this guy will give us 2 or 3 boards?

DJ White has a career 12.2 rebounding percentage, including 10.9% last season.  Bass is 12.4% for his career, including 11.2% this season.  If you believe that players usually see their rebounding rates decrease when they join the Celtics, due to a lower emphasis on rebounding, then White will probably rebound slightly worse than Bass.
Correction, lower emphasis on offensive rebounding. Given that White is already a miserable ORB, I don't expect this number to go down much.

Anyway, BGL doesn't appear to have much use of rebounding rate stats :P
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Re: DJ White
« Reply #40 on: February 22, 2013, 12:56:25 PM »

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One thing to keep in mind with D.J. White is he's a slightly worse rebounder than Bass.

So he's not going to help us much there.

bass only averages 4.4 for his career. So this guy will give us 2 or 3 boards?

DJ White has a career 12.2 rebounding percentage, including 10.9% last season.  Bass is 12.4% for his career, including 11.2% this season.  If you believe that players usually see their rebounding rates decrease when they join the Celtics, due to a lower emphasis on rebounding, then White will probably rebound slightly worse than Bass.

i am talking actual rebounds per game. not percentages. Kmart averaged 7.1 over his career. much better than bass. KG is only averaging 7.6 RPG this year although he has a career average of 10.5

does not matter either way however you want to slice it and dice it. we can call it whatever we want if you say his rebounding is worse than bass per game or per minutes played then that is all we need to know.
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Re: DJ White
« Reply #41 on: February 22, 2013, 12:57:15 PM »

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DJ White is like Bass without the athleticism.

well then this seems like a big waste of time. we need guys who can board and protect the rim right now.
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Re: DJ White
« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2013, 12:59:55 PM »

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One thing to keep in mind with D.J. White is he's a slightly worse rebounder than Bass.

So he's not going to help us much there.

bass only averages 4.4 for his career. So this guy will give us 2 or 3 boards?

DJ White has a career 12.2 rebounding percentage, including 10.9% last season.  Bass is 12.4% for his career, including 11.2% this season.  If you believe that players usually see their rebounding rates decrease when they join the Celtics, due to a lower emphasis on rebounding, then White will probably rebound slightly worse than Bass.

i am talking actual rebounds per game. not percentages. Kmart averaged 7.1 over his career. much better than bass. KG is only averaging 7.6 RPG this year although he has a career average of 10.5
You realize that what you call "actual rebounds" is highly dependent on the minutes you spend on the floor, right?
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Re: DJ White
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2013, 01:00:36 PM »

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With that DJ, we have Green & White and we have our own Jordan. Sky is the limit. ;D

Re: DJ White
« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2013, 01:12:49 PM »

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One thing to keep in mind with D.J. White is he's a slightly worse rebounder than Bass.

So he's not going to help us much there.

bass only averages 4.4 for his career. So this guy will give us 2 or 3 boards?

DJ White has a career 12.2 rebounding percentage, including 10.9% last season.  Bass is 12.4% for his career, including 11.2% this season.  If you believe that players usually see their rebounding rates decrease when they join the Celtics, due to a lower emphasis on rebounding, then White will probably rebound slightly worse than Bass.

i am talking actual rebounds per game. not percentages. Kmart averaged 7.1 over his career. much better than bass. KG is only averaging 7.6 RPG this year although he has a career average of 10.5
You realize that what you call "actual rebounds" is highly dependent on the minutes you spend on the floor, right?

Indeed. In fact,

"Actual rebounds" per game = (rebound %)*(rebounds available/minute)*(minutes played)