Is Danny Forcing Doc's Hand with Melo

[JHTruth]

Let's agree to disagree.

He isn't a player now.   They were trying to give him away.   

1. He's put up some huge numbers in individual games in the D-League

****.   He is averaging 6.8 RPG and 11 points.   He is not even 1st team all DL, not even 2nd team DL and yes not even third team DL.  I think misrepresentations of his stats is one of things that irks most about him. 

http://www.nba.com/dleague/statistics/player/Scoring.jsp

2nd in BPG
Not even top 50 in scoring.
40th in double doubles with 3, one triple double.
Not top 40 in rebounds folks.
23rd in FG%

You can look at these things and see he doesn't remote put up huge numbers.  The odds in fact are against it, am I calling you a liar.  You figure it out!  But I am backing it with stats, not hyperbole.

3. Is known for his defensive ability

No one argues he can block shots.   But he is one dimensional player and his positional defense is not good.   He is weak only did 9 185 lbs at the draft combine.   He does look stronger now but he has a way to go.

There is no way he can be any worse than Jason Collins.

Doc's playing time seems to indicate he is worse.  He does not clog the lanes or space the floor like Collins.

I just don't think he's nearly as bad as he's being made out to be.

We all are glad you feel that way but I live in the world of facts.   Do you believe in the Easter Bunny too?  Maybe your a Syracuse fan?

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/syracuse/fab-melo

Not very good stats, eh?

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/fab_melo/

DL stats not that much better.   I hope I am wrong I want him to help the C's but I think he is a project.

http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/fab_melo/nba_career_stats.html

Again, not looking NBA ready.

Avery Bradley showed more promise.  Perk could play positional D and defend the rim.  Melo can only defend the rim.

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2013/02/boston_celtics_trade_rumors_20_28.html

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/report-celtics-make-fab-melo-available-in-trade-for-guard/

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/02/celtics-shopping-fab-melo-in-trade-talks.html

Dangling is not exactly an endorsement of value.  Ainge was trying to give him away.   

BTW, I have rights to a bridges, moon rocks and russian meteors for all you optimists and I am sure I could produce some Sasquatch hairs on demand if you want to pay cash, perhaps.

They were trying to give EVERYONE away. Literally the whole team. We were going for a blow-up.

Perk could do nothing as a rookie. NOTHING. He played a total of 35 minutes. Since there was no D-League we cannot compare Perk with Melo as D-League rookies. We have no basis with which to compare Perk to Melo.

I was as big a Perk fan as anyone but he was literally hopeless until like year 3. People were saying the exact same things on RealGM. Perk is trash, he'll never be anything, why did we take a chance on an 18-year old project. Melo has oodles more talent than Perk, we just stunk so there was a lot more patience. Now people see the window closing (or closed) and there's no patience. We want to try one more time but face it, it's probably over for us, time for a rebuild where there can be patience..

[Celtics4ever]

They were trying to give EVERYONE away.

They were not.   If they tried they could have easily took less value and dealt them.  Man you are absolutely full of it!

I really hope I am wrong about Melo.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I think he is. "We need to develop and see what we can have Melo or we're getting another big man in this year's draft" is what I see here.

Fab is by no means ready, no means. But, and I already said this, if we go with the Paul Heyman approach on things with him, he'll be servicable. Accentuate the positives, hide the negatives.

Melo is by no means a good post scorer but has a good looking jump shot and form. So let him pick and pop on offense and let him shoot jumpers in his range instead of letting him play inside when he's so vulnerable.

He's always lost in rotations but is a good help defender and blocker. So have a spot for him where he rotates less. Let him take on the man who sets picks less so he's always be around the paint area and be ready to help d.

He's a long way to go, but if we use what he already has to our advantage, he'll be productive. I hope the C's don't ask too much of him, let him figure out the game slowly, and just let him play within his strengths.

[kozlodoev]

How pathetic is it that your gm has to do things like this because the coach is tool stubborn to do it himself.  Only reinforces what many others have said that doc is the problem. Next time Danny just dump doc.

How pathetic is it when fans who had no idea what transpired at the deadline come here to dump at the coach?

(and yes, in case you missed it, Ainge wanted to trade Fab Melo for Crawford, but the Wizards did not want to pay Melo's salary)

[cltc5]

How pathetic is it that your gm has to do things like this because the coach is tool stubborn to do it himself.  Only reinforces what many others have said that doc is the problem. Next time Danny just dump doc.

How pathetic is it when fans who had no idea what transpired at the deadline come here to dump at the coach?

(and yes, in case you missed it, Ainge wanted to trade Fab Melo for Crawford, but the Wizards did not want to pay Melo's salary)

I'm aware of what happened but there's a history here of doc being "forced" to use what he has....Bradley, barbosa.  And what of darko.   Any "fan" knows how stubborn doc can be with his rotations.

[Fafnir]

How pathetic is it that your gm has to do things like this because the coach is tool stubborn to do it himself.  Only reinforces what many others have said that doc is the problem. Next time Danny just dump doc.

How pathetic is it when fans who had no idea what transpired at the deadline come here to dump at the coach?

(and yes, in case you missed it, Ainge wanted to trade Fab Melo for Crawford, but the Wizards did not want to pay Melo's salary)

And Ainge wanted to send Wilcox but Wilcox said no so we sent Collins.

[ScoobyDoo]

Larbrd33:

My take away was not to play Fab Melo down the stretch against Miami with 5 minutes to go and a 3 point lead for the Celtics.

I never said "meaning full" minutes. What I said was 'Minutes".

I'm always surprised by people who think that Fab Melo playing 5 minutes during the first half of any game will
A) Guarantee that the celtics get slaughtered in that game because of it and

B) It will also likely lead to the abject demise of the Celtics franchise as a whole, for decades to come.

I see no possible way that Fab Melo could hurt the dynastic fortunes of the 2013 Boston Celtics by playing 5-10 minutes a game, early on in any game, any more than Jason Collins, or for that matter, Brandon bass sometimes...

We have the kid. He's a seven footer with length, the only one we have outside of KG.

It's a really, really strange thing how sometimes little bits of minutes here and there can slowly get a player's comfort level and confidence up. How they can slowly keep learning. Meanwhile, if he can get KG 5-8 minutes a game less of "not" having to bang with all the other big bodies every night, all the better.

Put the highest pressure in the game on the kid, let him get smacked in the head every night for 5-8 minutes, see what happens.He might surprise us with 4 points, 3 boards and a block before you know it.

Whether Perkins knew positional defense of not, check out his numbers in years 1-4.

Perkins average 28/16 and 8 in high school...
Melo put up a stretch of games in the D-League where he averaged 18/12 and 8 or whatever he did. I think D-league has better talent than High school does.

You don't think Melo can match Perkin's numbers given equal playing time over his first three years? I do, he has way better length and athleticism than Perk - once it clicks in his head and gets confidence, he could surprise us very much.           

And I can honestly say I didn't see a whole lot clicking in Perkin's head in his first three years in the league and I watched every game he played.

I loved his toughness and aggression but he was basically a complete train wreck for the better part of 3 seasons.

All I'm saying is if I had a young, athletic mobile 7 footer with length on a team desperately lacking size, length and athleticism, I would find him spots to play, they don't have to be meaningful minutes - just minutes.

It's not like we're torching the league -
 

 

[mkogav]

At some point in the next month or two, Melo will score 5 pts, grab 5 rbs, and block 5 shots in only 5 minutes of PT. He will immediately assume the mantel of the new Gerald Green. Young, tantalizing potential, wildly inconsistent, and a divided fan base.

I can't wait!

Mk

[ScoobyDoo]

Or maybe he'll play spot minutes here and there and get slowly better as he gains experience and confidence at this level.

I remember when guys like Perkins, Tyson Chandler and Larry Sanders came into the league and just completely tore it up their first 2-3 seasons - it was unbelievable. if only Melo could just put up numbers like Perkins did in years 1-3.

No one has a crystal ball but I for one would like to give the guy a chance, at least a season and a half to see what incremental progress he can make.

[JHTruth]

How pathetic is it that your gm has to do things like this because the coach is tool stubborn to do it himself.  Only reinforces what many others have said that doc is the problem. Next time Danny just dump doc.

How pathetic is it when fans who had no idea what transpired at the deadline come here to dump at the coach?

(and yes, in case you missed it, Ainge wanted to trade Fab Melo for Crawford, but the Wizards did not want to pay Melo's salary)

And Ainge wanted to send Wilcox but Wilcox said no so we sent Collins.

Who knows what transpired. I think it was pretty clear that the Wiz just wanted to clear a contract off the books, end of story and didn't want any salary back..

[droopdog7]

Or maybe he'll play spot minutes here and there and get slowly better as he gains experience and confidence at this level.

I remember when guys like Perkins, Tyson Chandler and Larry Sanders came into the league and just completely tore it up their first 2-3 seasons - it was unbelievable. if only Melo could just put up numbers like Perkins did in years 1-3.

No one has a crystal ball but I for one would like to give the guy a chance, at least a season and a half to see what incremental progress he can make.

Why are we comparing Melo to guys that eventually became successful when for every one of those, there are five that never did anything?  And why are we talking stats and comparables when we can comment on what we see on the court?

I'll tell you what I see.  I see a guy who is quite possibly the worst player in the league.  He looks outright awful and I just laugh watching him run up and down the court.  Terrible hands, terrible timing, terrible rebounder.

Now am I saying that he'll never amount to anything?  No, but he has a long long way to go.  And would 5-10 minutes a game kill the guy?  No, but it would be like spotting a team 5-10 points a game because he and we would get killed out there.  Killed like as if I were out there.

So never mind the comps.  Tell me he isn't terrible.

[JHTruth]

Or maybe he'll play spot minutes here and there and get slowly better as he gains experience and confidence at this level.

I remember when guys like Perkins, Tyson Chandler and Larry Sanders came into the league and just completely tore it up their first 2-3 seasons - it was unbelievable. if only Melo could just put up numbers like Perkins did in years 1-3.

No one has a crystal ball but I for one would like to give the guy a chance, at least a season and a half to see what incremental progress he can make.

Why are we comparing Melo to guys that eventually became successful when for every one of those, there are five that never did anything?  And why are we talking stats and comparables when we can comment on what we see on the court?

I'll tell you what I see.  I see a guy who is quite possibly the worst player in the league.  He looks outright awful and I just laugh watching him run up and down the court.  Terrible hands, terrible timing, terrible rebounder.

Now am I saying that he'll never amount to anything?  No, but he has a long long way to go.  And would 5-10 minutes a game kill the guy?  No, but it would be like spotting a team 5-10 points a game because he and we would get killed out there.  Killed like as if I were out there.

So never mind the comps.  Tell me he isn't terrible.

His hands are weak but that can be improved...

[JHTruth]

Or maybe he'll play spot minutes here and there and get slowly better as he gains experience and confidence at this level.

I remember when guys like Perkins, Tyson Chandler and Larry Sanders came into the league and just completely tore it up their first 2-3 seasons - it was unbelievable. if only Melo could just put up numbers like Perkins did in years 1-3.

No one has a crystal ball but I for one would like to give the guy a chance, at least a season and a half to see what incremental progress he can make.

Why are we comparing Melo to guys that eventually became successful when for every one of those, there are five that never did anything?  And why are we talking stats and comparables when we can comment on what we see on the court?

I'll tell you what I see.  I see a guy who is quite possibly the worst player in the league.  He looks outright awful and I just laugh watching him run up and down the court.  Terrible hands, terrible timing, terrible rebounder.

Now am I saying that he'll never amount to anything?  No, but he has a long long way to go.  And would 5-10 minutes a game kill the guy?  No, but it would be like spotting a team 5-10 points a game because he and we would get killed out there.  Killed like as if I were out there.

So never mind the comps.  Tell me he isn't terrible.

And if you laughed at Melo running the court, you would have busted a gut watching Perk. Literally the slowest, most plodding guy in the league..

[azzenfrost]

Letting Melo play isn't so bad when the C's are ahead by a lot. Then again, can say that about any player.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Fab has played in 4 NBA games in his career so far. He is 2-3 FGA-M and a ft (5pts), 2 blocks, 1 steal, and 1 rb in a total of 19mins (his most mins was 7 in LA game).

He's had 19 mins of real NBA action (well garbage minutes... he had 47mins preseason). If his career high mins is 7 (we were already being blown out of course), 2nd is 5 mins, tonight he had 4mins, and 3 in the Orl game... tell me, what can you show with those sporadic minutes? He is a rookie who has played in 4 games for a total of NINETEEN MINUTES!

Jason Collins (who I really liked... my boy Colly), can go 100 minutes and not register a single stat except for fouls (yes I'm well aware of how good Collins is/was defensively)! Of the 4 games Fab has played he has registered on the stat sheet EVERY time (again in 19 sporadic minutes... lol his two highest mins came against LA b/c of 2 blowouts).

Fab has looked better out there each time he has gone out there (defensively). If you don't think he has I don't know what you are watching.

People keep saying he is slow but he isn't (watch clips of him or the DLeague games), he does have an ugly gait though. Goofy doesn't mean you're slow. Poor guy runs like a human bobble head.

FAB looked the same way when he first started in the DLeague, he looked like he didn't even belong there, but as soon as he got acclimated he started to shine (b4 an injury set him back again), he had started to stuff the stat sheet and get a heck of a lot more minutes! It seems to take time for him to get comfortable with the environment b4 he finds his way. The NBA has GREATER talent and he won't see many minutes (most of the games none at all), so I'm sure it's probably going to take a very long time b4 he can get his act together. That's partly b/c FAB got picked by the wrong team as far as getting minutes are concerned. Other rookies play for garbage teams so they can make their mistakes on 20mins a game.

I'm not saying he is good (I'd be lying obviously), all I am saying is, can you at least give the kid time to actually PLAY some minutes before you write him off? What are you expecting from him? Some people KNOW he's a project that will need some time to develop, while other people SAY he is one but turn and judge him harshly as if they DON'T know he is one!


FAB could be a bust or become really good, no one knows yet! I'd personally rather hope he get's better than criticize him out of the gates (especially knowing that bigs take longer to develop)! Every player that makes it to the NBA is a good player... no, it doesn't mean they are good enough to stay/play in the NBA but they certainly are good at the game!