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Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2013, 01:28:22 AM »

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He needs to be the number one bench option. His confidence is in the toilet. Him and green can not coexist.
Im convinced Green needs to either start with pierce or be traded for a big for Terry to succeed.

I like the JET but he is missing so many open jumpers, my tv can't take any more verbal abuse. I don't think his play is a slump at this point I think his confidence is near an all time low.

Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2013, 01:32:37 AM »

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It's his body language that's bothering me. It's one thing if your in a slump but being indifferent and not caring burns me.

After the turnover to Pierce he just kind of shrugged nonchalantly and went straight to the bench. He should be mad at himself. Throw a towel. Yell. Do somthing. But don't sit there seemingly unfazed as if the last two seconds didn't happen with a blank look on your face.

My biggest issue right now with Jason Terry is that he's not hitting shots; not that he's not throwing towels.

I don't see that at all...

Everything I've been reading has suggest that Terry has been one of the guys getting on others for not caring and not putting in effort.

Not everybody expresses themselves the same way.  Do you think Ray Allen would be going to the bench kicking a chair or throwing a towel?  Just because he's not clearly displaying frustration, doesn't mean he's not frustrated.  As much as I dislike Ray these days, nobody can every say he didn't care, or that he didn't work hard.  He's just a quiet achiever.

All of this 'attitude' talk is overblown though because lets be honest...if most of his shots were going in and he was scoring 10 - 16 points off the bench every night, then people would probably be describing it as "cool and collected", "good sportsmanship" or "veteran savvy" rather than "indifferent".

Look at Lee earlier in the season - when shots aren't falling the jury is out, but once he starts scoring all is forgotten.

It's a make or miss league and lately Terry has just been missing more than he's making.  If / when his shots start falling again, I assure you everybody will love him again.
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Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2013, 01:36:10 AM »

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It's his body language that's bothering me. It's one thing if your in a slump but being indifferent and not caring burns me.

After the turnover to Pierce he just kind of shrugged nonchalantly and went straight to the bench. He should be mad at himself. Throw a towel. Yell. Do somthing. But don't sit there seemingly unfazed as if the last two seconds didn't happen with a blank look on your face.

My biggest issue right now with Jason Terry is that he's not hitting shots; not that he's not throwing towels.



Your missing the point. Of course the not hitting shots is the main concern but all guys go through slumps. Im assuming he's in one and can hopefully crawl out. But the indifferent attitude is not a productive role to take. There's rookies and first year guys that to me are impressionable. This is some of the attitude i think doc was refering to the other day about guys not acting like Celtics, and some guys needing to call out others.

I just disagree.  I'm convinced that Jason Terry cares very much about his performance and the team's success.  He just shows it differently than other guys.  I'm O.K. with that.  Once he starts hitting some shots and playing better,  I don't think we'll be worrying as much about his facial expressions or his body language.



Your probably more firmiliar with his game and personality. I just think that when you put on any Boston uniform there's a certain level of respect and passion the fans here expect to see. It's in our roots, but when you show neither that's when things can start to go down hill. I just expect a little more pride and animosity after a (negatively) game deciding play.

Like i said before i think these are some of the issues Doc addressed just the other day about guys not understanding what it means to be a Celtic. We can accept a loss. We can never accept not careing (or seemingly not to). 

Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2013, 01:38:30 AM »

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He needs to be the number one bench option. His confidence is in the toilet. Him and green can not coexist.
Im convinced Green needs to either start with pierce or be traded for a big for Terry to succeed.

I like the JET but he is missing so many open jumpers, my tv can't take any more verbal abuse. I don't think his play is a slump at this point I think his confidence is near an all time low.

I do see some of this as well.  He doesn't look like the cocky and confidence chap he was in Dallas - he looks like a guy who has just been demoted from a 2nd scoring option to a 4th/5th scoring option, and I don't think he has a problem with that role...I just think he's possibly having some trouble adjusting to it.

He's always been the second guy to touch the ball in Dallas, and he's always been playing 30 minutes or so per night as the clear leader and focal point of the second unit. 

Quiz Question to anybody here who wants to answer - look at this team now and tell me who, in your opinion, is the 6th man?  Terry?  Green?  You could even make a case for Lee or Sullinger. 

There is no clear definition of roles off the bench.  Ome day Green comes out and has a great game, and they make him the focal point of the offense.  Other days he has a bad game, and when he does we all kinda expect Terry to just recognise he's playing badly and suddenly turn on the "6th man" switch and take over for him.  In the real world though it's probably not so easy to just jump back and forth into roles like that.

Maybe Doc just needs to go out there and simplify things beyond simplicity. 

1. Tell Bass his job is to defend, rebound and take 15 foot jumpers - nothing else.

2. Tell Lee his job is to apply ball pressure on defense and attack the basket. 

3. Tell Green that his job is to stop the opposing SF from scoring, whatever it takes.

4. Tell Collins his role is to protect the pain.

5. Tell Sullinger his job is to outmuscle his assignment and attack the boards on both ends of the floor.

6. Tell Bradley his role is to apply the most distruptive and intense full court pressure he can

7. Tell Terry and Barbosa their job is to score, score, score - nothing else.  Shoot or drive every time you touch the ball.

8. Tell Wilcox that his job is to catch Rondo's lobs and finish them, and beat his assignment up and down the court.

That leves Rondo, Pierce and Garnett and those guys are flexible enough to always know what's needed of them.

So there it is. Aside from the big 3 everybody else on the team is given ONE JOB only, and all they need to do is do that one thing well.  If they can't do ONE THING then trade them for someone who can. 

These guys are role players, they should all be given a role.
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Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2013, 01:50:01 AM »

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It's his body language that's bothering me. It's one thing if your in a slump but being indifferent and not caring burns me.

After the turnover to Pierce he just kind of shrugged nonchalantly and went straight to the bench. He should be mad at himself. Throw a towel. Yell. Do somthing. But don't sit there seemingly unfazed as if the last two seconds didn't happen with a blank look on your face.
Hasn't that always been his body language?

Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2013, 02:03:00 AM »

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He's now afraid to shoot. He shouldn't leave the bench honestly.

Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2013, 02:08:33 AM »

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It's his body language that's bothering me. It's one thing if your in a slump but being indifferent and not caring burns me.

After the turnover to Pierce he just kind of shrugged nonchalantly and went straight to the bench. He should be mad at himself. Throw a towel. Yell. Do somthing. But don't sit there seemingly unfazed as if the last two seconds didn't happen with a blank look on your face.
Hasn't that always been his body language?




I have no idea. I didn't follow him in dallas i admit. But i guess so if you say. I just thought there'd be a little more animation/anger after just bumbling away an easy hand off for the game..

Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2013, 02:13:58 AM »

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Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2013, 02:18:28 AM »

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Jet will come around.  Doc doesn't need to bench him or change the offense to suit him.  He simply needs to start hitting some shots.  It'll happen.
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Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2013, 02:19:45 AM »

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I guess im in the minority about the body language issue. But i was under the impression one of his strenghts was veteran leadership. And to me as a vet you should lead by example. There's two rookies. Heck this is Bass's first full year. Green is relatively new. I just think it's his job to set a tone for the young guys, especially since he's supposed to be the leader off the bench.

Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2013, 02:24:46 AM »

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Forty or so games in to the season, at what point is it not considered a slump?
Much like Eddie house, terry is a one trick pony, if he isn't scoring he isn't helping much.  So forty games in, he is still given time and shots.  At what point does Barbosa get those minutes?

Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2013, 02:33:45 AM »

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Forty or so games in to the season, at what point is it not considered a slump?
Much like Eddie house, terry is a one trick pony, if he isn't scoring he isn't helping much.  So forty games in, he is still given time and shots.  At what point does Barbosa get those minutes?

Never, because Doc will ride a veteran he trusts into the ground before he tries making a radical change like playing Barbosa 25-30 minutes a night and benching Terry.
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Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2013, 02:37:29 AM »

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Forty or so games in to the season, at what point is it not considered a slump?
Much like Eddie house, terry is a one trick pony, if he isn't scoring he isn't helping much.  So forty games in, he is still given time and shots.  At what point does Barbosa get those minutes?

In answer to the first question:

Once he breaks out of it.

In answer to the second:

It won't happen.
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Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2013, 02:40:19 AM »

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Terry is only really effective in second units when he is given the ball and told to go to work.

This is not happening. Therefore he is not effective.


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Re: Jason Terry must go
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2013, 07:43:31 AM »

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I have no problem with Terry last night.

Terry was bothering me earlier in the year but, well ... no, Doc was bothering me earlier in the year with the long minutes he was giving Terry when he didn't deserve them but that hasn't been the case recently.

Anyway, last night, I thought Terry played pretty good. He got himself in strong scoring / shooting positions on a number of occasions. He took shots which where high percentage looks for him. Unfortunately, he just had a bad shooting night. Every shooter has bad nights now and again. But I have absolutely zero problem with Terry taking the shots he took + was actually happy to see him taking them. And, Terrye gave a reasonable effort in the non-scoring departments by his standards.

I don't see any reason why Terry should get this much criticism after last night's game.