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The Celtics Problem... Not Enough Dunks
« on: January 01, 2013, 03:41:17 PM »

Offline banty19

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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/stats/dunk-o-meter

Honestly I don't think their dunk count is a huge problem but I think it reveals the underlying problem. Look at that list and you'll see most of the top teams in the league have a few entries high on this list. Heat have 2, Clippers have 3, Thunder have 3, Knicks have 1 (but at #3 overall).

The Celtics problems are simple. They have no inside presence, which results in what I call "jumpshot roulette" (works better in the playoffs) and plenty of easy layups on defense.

KG is still great but he's declining and can't do everything. Pierce plays like an old man (although a crafty one). Bass got paid and has sucked this year. Sullinger is nice but most NBA bigs can torch his D. Jeff Green is Charmin Soft™.

The Celtics need a big. I really think it's that simple. I think Fab Melo could even help. Let's all hope Danny does something about it.

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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2013, 03:51:25 PM »

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I couldn't agree more. ...in essence. I don't think "dunks" specifically are necessary - but without an inside presence on offense, we will be relying on Pierce's 41.8% FG% to bring us to the Playoffs.

We need someone who can post up, and make a little daylight for the rest of the team, which basically shoots jump-shots.

Re: The Celtics Problem... Not Enough Dunks
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2013, 05:39:36 PM »

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I wouldn't say its THE problem but its ONE of the problems.

The amount of missed layups we have is inexcusable. Just dunk the ball. I don't really expect to see it from PP and KG but everyone else should be throwing it down. I also don't expect to see Blake Griffin type dunks but get the ball in the basket! Its not too much to ask.

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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2013, 05:44:51 PM »

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Oh someone has to start it might as well be me.

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Re: The Celtics Problem... Not Enough Dunks
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2013, 05:55:59 PM »

Offline Celtics18

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Jeff Green's a pretty good dunker.
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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

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« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2013, 06:01:09 PM »

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I couldn't agree more. ...in essence. I don't think "dunks" specifically are necessary - but without an inside presence on offense, we will be relying on Pierce's 41.8% FG% to bring us to the Playoffs.

We need someone who can post up, and make a little daylight for the rest of the team, which basically shoots jump-shots.

yea, this. TP.

I don't care about the dunks, but if someone could explain to me why Doc thinks the long 2 point jumpshot is "great offense" I'd appreciate it.

I mean, i get it, you get a clean look alot of the time late in the clock because the other team is perfectly willing to let someone take an 18 footer, and we have good mid range shooters, but our passiveness on offense and frustrating ability to settle for jumpshots once we get the lead is awful.

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« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2013, 06:04:52 PM »

Offline Celtics18

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Being a good jump shooting team can pay off in the playoffs when every team becomes a jump shooting team. 

Some more easy layups and dunks would definitely be nice too, though. 
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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

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« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2013, 06:07:35 PM »

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I don't care about the dunks, but if someone could explain to me why Doc thinks the long 2 point jumpshot is "great offense" I'd appreciate it.
It's not coaching. It's the personnel.

It's the players that Boston has that leads to all the long two pointers.

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« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2013, 06:25:02 PM »

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I've always been a little disappointed Rondo doesn't dunk anymore

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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2013, 06:42:06 PM »

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I couldn't agree more. ...in essence. I don't think "dunks" specifically are necessary - but without an inside presence on offense, we will be relying on Pierce's 41.8% FG% to bring us to the Playoffs.

We need someone who can post up, and make a little daylight for the rest of the team, which basically shoots jump-shots.

yea, this. TP.

I don't care about the dunks, but if someone could explain to me why Doc thinks the long 2 point jumpshot is "great offense" I'd appreciate it.

I mean, i get it, you get a clean look alot of the time late in the clock because the other team is perfectly willing to let someone take an 18 footer, and we have good mid range shooters, but our passiveness on offense and frustrating ability to settle for jumpshots once we get the lead is awful.

I hate to say it as I know it goes against all conventional wisdom, but on this team the 18 foot jump shot is actually good offense. 

Like I said before, that will hold us in good stead in the playoffs when driving lanes to the basket become harder to come by for all teams. 

Actually, the shot I'd like us to take more and make more is the three point shot.  I think that upping our threes would help our offense improve much more than a couple of more dunks a game would.  And, that's something that we have the personnel to improve on.
DKC Seventy-Sixers:

PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2013, 06:56:47 PM »

Offline pearljammer10

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I've been saying this for years. An over the rim game is a hugely underrated aspect of this game. The celtics haven't had one for a number of years. Plus we don't go to the basket anyway.

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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2013, 07:36:54 PM »

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I don't care about the dunks, but if someone could explain to me why Doc thinks the long 2 point jumpshot is "great offense" I'd appreciate it.
It's not coaching. It's the personnel.

It's the players that Boston has that leads to all the long two pointers.

well even if they cannot post up they can still attack the rack with dribble drives, dishes, cutters and in transition.
LET'S GO CELTICS!

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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2013, 07:39:51 PM »

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I couldn't agree more. ...in essence. I don't think "dunks" specifically are necessary - but without an inside presence on offense, we will be relying on Pierce's 41.8% FG% to bring us to the Playoffs.

We need someone who can post up, and make a little daylight for the rest of the team, which basically shoots jump-shots.

yea, this. TP.

I don't care about the dunks, but if someone could explain to me why Doc thinks the long 2 point jumpshot is "great offense" I'd appreciate it.

I mean, i get it, you get a clean look alot of the time late in the clock because the other team is perfectly willing to let someone take an 18 footer, and we have good mid range shooters, but our passiveness on offense and frustrating ability to settle for jumpshots once we get the lead is awful.
Even worse is simply peddling back after these long 2's and not going for a rebound whatsoever.
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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2013, 07:49:03 PM »

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I couldn't agree more. ...in essence. I don't think "dunks" specifically are necessary - but without an inside presence on offense, we will be relying on Pierce's 41.8% FG% to bring us to the Playoffs.

We need someone who can post up, and make a little daylight for the rest of the team, which basically shoots jump-shots.

yea, this. TP.

I don't care about the dunks, but if someone could explain to me why Doc thinks the long 2 point jumpshot is "great offense" I'd appreciate it.

I mean, i get it, you get a clean look alot of the time late in the clock because the other team is perfectly willing to let someone take an 18 footer, and we have good mid range shooters, but our passiveness on offense and frustrating ability to settle for jumpshots once we get the lead is awful.
Even worse is simply peddling back after these long 2's and not going for a rebound whatsoever.

well, if we attacked more with high % shots we would score more.....and since our defense sucks right now we need everybody to crash the basket. why not? us running back to get on D is not working anyway.
LET'S GO CELTICS!

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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2013, 08:52:50 PM »

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