What is Jeff Green's trade value?

[Chris]

I really am not sure about this one.  Two weeks ago, I think most people would have agreed that he basically has negative value.  He was a volume scorer who was afraid to shoot. 

However, over the last few weeks, he has basically morphed into what the C's thought they were getting.  A talented scorer from the wing, who can put up points quickly, and is at least decent in other parts of the game.  He has shown he can be an impact player.

While he still needs to continue to improve, I think he is starting to show that he is still the player he was before the surgery. 

So, I am curious what everyone thinks his value is.

In order to do this, I am going to base it on the value of first round draft picks.  I am not saying he should be traded for draft picks, but this is just an easier way to see a baseline of value, without getting into the fit of individual players (or debate the value of other individual player).

  For this exercise, we will assume that they are an average draft pick, not a premium one, that would be assumed to be a high pick, or one that everyone knows will be in the bottom 5 picks. 

[wdleehi]

Still negative.



He needs to put together a longer stretch of this play and it will really help if the Celtics had a better record during that time. 

[Who]

If Danny was forced to give J.Green $9 million a year for 4 years, it's gotta pretty good.

There was no reason for Danny to pay J.Green that kind of money if other teams weren't strongly in pursuit of him and offering something in the same neighbourhood or slightly below.

[ssspence]

I agree it's still negative.

His medical record, inconsistency, and contract value & length are pretty intimidating (though I can't be sure of the protective measures around his health on paper, for example) in the current NBA economy.

I would say there's likely still some hat hanging on the perception he's never been given the chance to play steadily as a featured player, which likely helps with the right team.

Meaning: "Hey, this kid has behind playing behind Durant and Pierce his whole career. If he handed him the keys as the starter at the 3, and surrounded him with our nice young players x, y, and z, how good could he be?" 

[ScottHow]

I can't imagine he's worth too much. Right now he's an underperforming playing with a giant contract considering his production.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

To teams who have no quality SF, he has tremendous value. It doesn't matter if he's struggling right now, he's a proven commodity, at worst maybe a 15 points, 5-6 rebounds a game guy. Teams with no legit starting 3 would love to have him.

Orlando and Washington would like to have Jeff Green, trust me. Heck if the Hawks plays Josh Smith at PF, they would like Jeff Green at the 3 spot too. Phoenix is probably another team, I think their Beasley experiment didn't work and if they can move him, and Green is available for them, they won't hesitate.

[wdleehi]

To teams who have no quality SF, he has tremendous value. It doesn't matter if he's struggling right now, he's a proven commodity, at worst maybe a 15 points, 5-6 rebounds a game guy. Teams with no legit starting 3 would love to have him.

Orlando and Washington would like to have Jeff Green, trust me. Heck if the Hawks plays Josh Smith at PF, they would like Jeff Green at the 3 spot too. Phoenix is probably another team, I think their Beasley experiment didn't work and if they can move him, and Green is available for them, they won't hesitate.

Atlanta just got rid of Williams who is the same age, similar in size and similar in stats.  Why would they want Green?

DC wants to build almost completely through the draft right now (it worked for the owner with the Caps)

Phoenix doesn't want a 9 million dollar role player.  They are always looking to be below the cap.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

To teams who have no quality SF, he has tremendous value. It doesn't matter if he's struggling right now, he's a proven commodity, at worst maybe a 15 points, 5-6 rebounds a game guy. Teams with no legit starting 3 would love to have him.

Orlando and Washington would like to have Jeff Green, trust me. Heck if the Hawks plays Josh Smith at PF, they would like Jeff Green at the 3 spot too. Phoenix is probably another team, I think their Beasley experiment didn't work and if they can move him, and Green is available for them, they won't hesitate.

Atlanta just got rid of Williams who is the same age, similar in size and similar in stats.  Why would they want Green?

DC wants to build almost completely through the draft right now (it worked for the owner with the Caps)

Phoenix doesn't want a 9 million dollar role player.  They are always looking to be below the cap.

a.) Because Jeff Green is a much better player than Marvin Williams. Better defender than Marvin, a better offensive player.

b.) That's true, but they still don' have a legit SF. Ariza has been a disaster. If the price is right for them, I believe they would not hesitate on pulling the gun on a trade. Trust me, Commish.

c.) Jeff Green is NOT a role player. He's starter quality who right now is struggling and playing behind Paul because he's Paul Pierce. I believe he will start in Phoenix and they won't mind swallowing 9 million dollars if they can get rid of Beasley first.

Let's not forget what Jeff is capable off. He's having an off year as of now, but we saw some games where he looked like OKC Jeff Green, that's a starting SF in most teams.

[Who]

To teams who have no quality SF, he has tremendous value. It doesn't matter if he's struggling right now, he's a proven commodity, at worst maybe a 15 points, 5-6 rebounds a game guy. Teams with no legit starting 3 would love to have him.

Orlando and Washington would like to have Jeff Green, trust me. Heck if the Hawks plays Josh Smith at PF, they would like Jeff Green at the 3 spot too. Phoenix is probably another team, I think their Beasley experiment didn't work and if they can move him, and Green is available for them, they won't hesitate.

Atlanta just got rid of Williams who is the same age, similar in size and similar in stats.  Why would they want Green?

DC wants to build almost completely through the draft right now (it worked for the owner with the Caps)

Phoenix doesn't want a 9 million dollar role player.  They are always looking to be below the cap.

a.) Because Jeff Green is a much better player than Marvin Williams. Better defender than Marvin, a better offensive player.

b.) That's true, but they still don' have a legit SF. Ariza has been a disaster. If the price is right for them, I believe they would not hesitate on pulling the gun on a trade. Trust me, Commish.

c.) Jeff Green is NOT a role player. He's starter quality who right now is struggling and playing behind Paul because he's Paul Pierce. I believe he will start in Phoenix and they won't mind swallowing 9 million dollars if they can get rid of Beasley first.

Let's not forget what Jeff is capable off. He's having an off year as of now, but we saw some games where he looked like OKC Jeff Green, that's a starting SF in most teams.

Utah = Replacing Marvin Williams with Jeff Green is a lateral move. I don't think they'll be interested. Not at the cost of losing a valuable player and having to pay Green all that money.

Washington = Jeff Green is the wrong type of SF to put alongside John Wall but their GM is has been putting wrong players alongside John Wall for awhile now so that might be a option.

Atlanta = Danny Ferry won't consider Jeff Green until this summer. He won't give up their valuable cap space for Green. If he strikes out in free agency, Ferry might then consider trading for Green.

[Who]

DC wants to build almost completely through the draft right now (it worked for the owner with the Caps)

Their owner is fed up of rebuilding. Fed up of losing 60 games a season.

Ted Leonsis wants to win now. He wants to Wizards in the playoffs. He has said this and he has backed it up with actions by bringing through the Ariza + Okafor trade. That was supposed to push Washington into the playoff picture. That was why they did that deal and they did it at their owner's beck and call.

[Moranis]

To teams who have no quality SF, he has tremendous value. It doesn't matter if he's struggling right now, he's a proven commodity, at worst maybe a 15 points, 5-6 rebounds a game guy. Teams with no legit starting 3 would love to have him.

Orlando and Washington would like to have Jeff Green, trust me. Heck if the Hawks plays Josh Smith at PF, they would like Jeff Green at the 3 spot too. Phoenix is probably another team, I think their Beasley experiment didn't work and if they can move him, and Green is available for them, they won't hesitate.

Atlanta just got rid of Williams who is the same age, similar in size and similar in stats.  Why would they want Green?

DC wants to build almost completely through the draft right now (it worked for the owner with the Caps)

Phoenix doesn't want a 9 million dollar role player.  They are always looking to be below the cap.

a.) Because Jeff Green is a much better player than Marvin Williams. Better defender than Marvin, a better offensive player.

b.) That's true, but they still don' have a legit SF. Ariza has been a disaster. If the price is right for them, I believe they would not hesitate on pulling the gun on a trade. Trust me, Commish.

c.) Jeff Green is NOT a role player. He's starter quality who right now is struggling and playing behind Paul because he's Paul Pierce. I believe he will start in Phoenix and they won't mind swallowing 9 million dollars if they can get rid of Beasley first.

Let's not forget what Jeff is capable off. He's having an off year as of now, but we saw some games where he looked like OKC Jeff Green, that's a starting SF in most teams.

I'm sorry Yoki, but Jeff Green is not significantly better than Marvin Williams.  Williams might in fact be better.

I really don't know where this notion came from that Jeff Green is this potential superstar or a great player.  He has been virtually the same player since he entered the league, which is nothing more than mediocre. 

Per 36 minute career stats

Player A - 14.9 p, 5.9 r, 1.7 a, 0.9 s, 0.6 b, 1.8 t, 2.6 f, 44.4 FG, 33.9 3PT, 77.4 FT, 108 DRTG
Player B - 13.6 p, 6.2 r, 1.6 a, 0.9 s, 0.5 b, 1.4 t, 2.7 f, 45.0 FG, 33.1 3PT, 80.6 FT, 108 DRTG

One of these players is Jeff Green, the other is Marvin Williams.  They are both 6'9" and more of a tweener as well.  In other words, they are nearly identical players.

[Who]

I think the draft pick gauge is too vague. Impossible to answer.

First round picks have all types of different value from high lottery, mid lottery, low lottery, high teens, low twenties to late twenties. They are all different tiers that command different types of talent in return.

In terms of a draft pick, I'd say Jeff Green is worth a late lotto pick (#10-14). Like I said in another thread, this year's draft is weak so maybe that value increases to the back end of a mid lotto pick (say #7 to 10). In terms of multiple picks, maybe a pair of late teens or one late teen and one early twenties.

[Chris]

To teams who have no quality SF, he has tremendous value. It doesn't matter if he's struggling right now, he's a proven commodity, at worst maybe a 15 points, 5-6 rebounds a game guy. Teams with no legit starting 3 would love to have him.

Orlando and Washington would like to have Jeff Green, trust me. Heck if the Hawks plays Josh Smith at PF, they would like Jeff Green at the 3 spot too. Phoenix is probably another team, I think their Beasley experiment didn't work and if they can move him, and Green is available for them, they won't hesitate.

Atlanta just got rid of Williams who is the same age, similar in size and similar in stats.  Why would they want Green?

DC wants to build almost completely through the draft right now (it worked for the owner with the Caps)

Phoenix doesn't want a 9 million dollar role player.  They are always looking to be below the cap.

a.) Because Jeff Green is a much better player than Marvin Williams. Better defender than Marvin, a better offensive player.

b.) That's true, but they still don' have a legit SF. Ariza has been a disaster. If the price is right for them, I believe they would not hesitate on pulling the gun on a trade. Trust me, Commish.

c.) Jeff Green is NOT a role player. He's starter quality who right now is struggling and playing behind Paul because he's Paul Pierce. I believe he will start in Phoenix and they won't mind swallowing 9 million dollars if they can get rid of Beasley first.

Let's not forget what Jeff is capable off. He's having an off year as of now, but we saw some games where he looked like OKC Jeff Green, that's a starting SF in most teams.

Utah = Replacing Marvin Williams with Jeff Green is a lateral move. I don't think they'll be interested. Not at the cost of losing a valuable player and having to pay Green all that money.

Washington = Jeff Green is the wrong type of SF to put alongside John Wall but their GM is has been putting wrong players alongside John Wall for awhile now so that might be a option.

Atlanta = Danny Ferry won't consider Jeff Green until this summer. He won't give up their valuable cap space for Green. If he strikes out in free agency, Ferry might then consider trading for Green.

I think as far as Washington goes, they are absolutely an option.  I disagree that they are trying to build through the draft.  I think over the last year or so, they have switched gears to try to put some veterans around Wall and their other young guys, to build a stronger culture. 

So far, it hasn't worked, but I think Green fits in well with what they have been going for.  A strong character guy, who is a veteran, but still young enough to build with.  And he even has the DC connections with Georgetown to help them sell tickets. 

To me though, the team where Green has the most value is Cleveland.  They desperately need some talent on the wing, and they have a ton of extra assets, even if they aren't trading Varajao.  They have a stockpile of draft picks, they have cap space, and expiring contracts.

[Who]

To teams who have no quality SF, he has tremendous value. It doesn't matter if he's struggling right now, he's a proven commodity, at worst maybe a 15 points, 5-6 rebounds a game guy. Teams with no legit starting 3 would love to have him.

Orlando and Washington would like to have Jeff Green, trust me. Heck if the Hawks plays Josh Smith at PF, they would like Jeff Green at the 3 spot too. Phoenix is probably another team, I think their Beasley experiment didn't work and if they can move him, and Green is available for them, they won't hesitate.

Atlanta just got rid of Williams who is the same age, similar in size and similar in stats.  Why would they want Green?

DC wants to build almost completely through the draft right now (it worked for the owner with the Caps)

Phoenix doesn't want a 9 million dollar role player.  They are always looking to be below the cap.

a.) Because Jeff Green is a much better player than Marvin Williams. Better defender than Marvin, a better offensive player.

b.) That's true, but they still don' have a legit SF. Ariza has been a disaster. If the price is right for them, I believe they would not hesitate on pulling the gun on a trade. Trust me, Commish.

c.) Jeff Green is NOT a role player. He's starter quality who right now is struggling and playing behind Paul because he's Paul Pierce. I believe he will start in Phoenix and they won't mind swallowing 9 million dollars if they can get rid of Beasley first.

Let's not forget what Jeff is capable off. He's having an off year as of now, but we saw some games where he looked like OKC Jeff Green, that's a starting SF in most teams.

I'm sorry Yoki, but Jeff Green is not significantly better than Marvin Williams.  Williams might in fact be better.

I really don't know where this notion came from that Jeff Green is this potential superstar or a great player.  He has been virtually the same player since he entered the league, which is nothing more than mediocre. 

Per 36 minute career stats

Player A - 14.9 p, 5.9 r, 1.7 a, 0.9 s, 0.6 b, 1.8 t, 2.6 f, 44.4 FG, 33.9 3PT, 77.4 FT, 108 DRTG
Player B - 13.6 p, 6.2 r, 1.6 a, 0.9 s, 0.5 b, 1.4 t, 2.7 f, 45.0 FG, 33.1 3PT, 80.6 FT, 108 DRTG

One of these players is Jeff Green, the other is Marvin Williams.  They are both 6'9" and more of a tweener as well.  In other words, they are nearly identical players.

I prefer Marvin Williams myself. Stronger defender / rebounder. Doesn't judge himself by shot attempts like Jeff Green does.

One of the more undervalued role players in the league. I'd love to see him replace Luol Deng in Chicago if the Bulls ever traded Deng. I think Marvin Williams would surprise a lot of people by how valuable he'd be in that type of system playing for a coach like Tom Thibodeau.

[action781]

I'd say even value because of his contract.  The type of player a team wouldn't mind having at his price, but won't go out of their way trading away future assets to get.  There can be other players to be had in free agency of roughly equal value for roughly similar contract.

The only team that would trade away a draft pick for him would be a team that is over the cap, one piece away from solidifying their claim to being contenders, and has a draft pick in the 15-30 range.  I think it would make sense for that team to trade away a pick + an expiring for him.