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Re: 1-15. Rank 'em if you got 'em
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2012, 01:36:34 PM »

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Folks on here recognize that we weouldnt have made it to 7 games in the miami series without Rondo right? I mean, we might have lost the Philly series if Rondo hadnt stepped up at the end.

Look at it this way:  The folks who have Rondo at number 3 are the true optimists.  If Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett are playing so well--particularly come playoff time--that our MVP candidate is the team's third most valuable player, then we are the front runners to bring home #18.

It makes me laugh too. Do people forget he is the league MVP candidate for this team?
Of course without KG we are toast-he's the defensive MVP candidate for this team which thrives on defense.
But if we lose Rondo we are toast as well. People act like he's replaceable. He's arguably the best PG in the league and if he's not he's probably top 3. It;s like the Thunder losing Westbrook. They'd be no where.

KG is our defensive general, and Rondo is our offensive general. Without either one we are screwed. We could possibly get by without Pierce if Green steps up to 15 ppg because we have a stronger scoring bench, we'd just lack the forwards to guard Lebron effectively.

For me it's:
Rondo
KG
Pierce
Green
Bradley
Bass
Terry
Lee
Sully(hopefully he moves up to Bass' spot as he improves).
Darko
Wilcox
Collins
Barbosa
Joseph
Melo
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Re: 1-15. Rank 'em if you got 'em
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2012, 02:03:33 PM »

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Folks on here recognize that we weouldnt have made it to 7 games in the miami series without Rondo right? I mean, we might have lost the Philly series if Rondo hadnt stepped up at the end.

Look at it this way:  The folks who have Rondo at number 3 are the true optimists.  If Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett are playing so well--particularly come playoff time--that our MVP candidate is the team's third most valuable player, then we are the front runners to bring home #18.

It makes me laugh too. Do people forget he is the league MVP candidate for this team?
Of course without KG we are toast-he's the defensive MVP candidate for this team which thrives on defense.
But if we lose Rondo we are toast as well. People act like he's replaceable. He's arguably the best PG in the league and if he's not he's probably top 3. It;s like the Thunder losing Westbrook. They'd be no where.

KG is our defensive general, and Rondo is our offensive general. Without either one we are screwed. We could possibly get by without Pierce if Green steps up to 15 ppg because we have a stronger scoring bench, we'd just lack the forwards to guard Lebron effectively.

For me it's:
Rondo
KG
Pierce
Green
Bradley
Bass
Terry
Lee
Sully(hopefully he moves up to Bass' spot as he improves).
Darko
Wilcox
Collins
Barbosa
Joseph
Melo


The eye sight and the numbers leave no doubt: Garnett has a greater impact on the game than Rondo does. I cringed every time KG went to the bench and eagerly awaited his return each passing possession. I didn't like Rondo getting subbed by any means, but let's face it, he was the PG for one of the worst offenses in the entire league last year. Nothing to write home about. Lose him and we can't get significantly worse. Missing the defensive anchor of the leagues best defense, and you'll notice how important KG is.

There no evidence to suggest Rondo is more important than KG, other than of course being a RR fanboy. The case for #2 between RR and Pierce is more compelling, and I think the case can be made for both and there isn't a right or wrong answer.

You can mix and match 2-15, but everyone should have KG at the top.
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Re: 1-15. Rank 'em if you got 'em
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2012, 05:27:41 PM »

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Folks on here recognize that we weouldnt have made it to 7 games in the miami series without Rondo right? I mean, we might have lost the Philly series if Rondo hadnt stepped up at the end.

Look at it this way:  The folks who have Rondo at number 3 are the true optimists.  If Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett are playing so well--particularly come playoff time--that our MVP candidate is the team's third most valuable player, then we are the front runners to bring home #18.

It makes me laugh too. Do people forget he is the league MVP candidate for this team?
Of course without KG we are toast-he's the defensive MVP candidate for this team which thrives on defense.
But if we lose Rondo we are toast as well. People act like he's replaceable. He's arguably the best PG in the league and if he's not he's probably top 3. It;s like the Thunder losing Westbrook. They'd be no where.

KG is our defensive general, and Rondo is our offensive general. Without either one we are screwed. We could possibly get by without Pierce if Green steps up to 15 ppg because we have a stronger scoring bench, we'd just lack the forwards to guard Lebron effectively.

For me it's:
Rondo
KG
Pierce
Green
Bradley
Bass
Terry
Lee
Sully(hopefully he moves up to Bass' spot as he improves).
Darko
Wilcox
Collins
Barbosa
Joseph
Melo


The eye sight and the numbers leave no doubt: Garnett has a greater impact on the game than Rondo does. I cringed every time KG went to the bench and eagerly awaited his return each passing possession. I didn't like Rondo getting subbed by any means, but let's face it, he was the PG for one of the worst offenses in the entire league last year. Nothing to write home about. Lose him and we can't get significantly worse. Missing the defensive anchor of the leagues best defense, and you'll notice how important KG is.

There no evidence to suggest Rondo is more important than KG, other than of course being a RR fanboy. The case for #2 between RR and Pierce is more compelling, and I think the case can be made for both and there isn't a right or wrong answer.

You can mix and match 2-15, but everyone should have KG at the top.

Well, this fanboy believes that Rondo will be at least as important to this team's chances as Kevin Garnett.  As much as I expect KG to continue to valiantly battle father time, the truth is that he is 36 years old and will need to be treated with even more caution than in previous seasons.  The same is going to hold true for Paul Pierce.

Rondo, on the other hand, is just entering his prime years as an NBA player.  If we can keep our two older stars fresh for the playoffs, and our young point guard continues to shine brightest when the games really matter, then look out for another serious run at the trophy. 

At that point, it won't matter to me what order we place our three super stars. 
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Re: 1-15. Rank 'em if you got 'em
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2012, 05:33:06 PM »

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Folks on here recognize that we weouldnt have made it to 7 games in the miami series without Rondo right? I mean, we might have lost the Philly series if Rondo hadnt stepped up at the end.


Didn't we beat Philly without RR in the playoffs (of course I don't mean the entire series)? Now ask yourself this, how many times do you/anyone think we beat them without KG?
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Re: 1-15. Rank 'em if you got 'em
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2012, 05:37:00 PM »

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Folks on here recognize that we weouldnt have made it to 7 games in the miami series without Rondo right? I mean, we might have lost the Philly series if Rondo hadnt stepped up at the end.


Didn't we beat Philly without RR in the playoffs (of course I don't mean the entire series)? Now ask yourself this, how many times do you/anyone think we beat them without KG?

Rondo played in all seven games of the Sixers series.
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Re: 1-15. Rank 'em if you got 'em
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2012, 05:38:20 PM »

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Folks on here recognize that we weouldnt have made it to 7 games in the miami series without Rondo right? I mean, we might have lost the Philly series if Rondo hadnt stepped up at the end.


Didn't we beat Philly without RR in the playoffs (of course I don't mean the entire series)? Now ask yourself this, how many times do you/anyone think we beat them without KG?

Rondo played in all seven games of the Sixers series.

Well, Atlanta, question still fits!
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Re: 1-15. Rank 'em if you got 'em
« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2012, 05:43:20 PM »

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Folks on here recognize that we weouldnt have made it to 7 games in the miami series without Rondo right? I mean, we might have lost the Philly series if Rondo hadnt stepped up at the end.

Look at it this way:  The folks who have Rondo at number 3 are the true optimists.  If Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett are playing so well--particularly come playoff time--that our MVP candidate is the team's third most valuable player, then we are the front runners to bring home #18.

It makes me laugh too. Do people forget he is the league MVP candidate for this team?
Of course without KG we are toast-he's the defensive MVP candidate for this team which thrives on defense.
But if we lose Rondo we are toast as well. People act like he's replaceable. He's arguably the best PG in the league and if he's not he's probably top 3. It;s like the Thunder losing Westbrook. They'd be no where.

KG is our defensive general, and Rondo is our offensive general. Without either one we are screwed. We could possibly get by without Pierce if Green steps up to 15 ppg because we have a stronger scoring bench, we'd just lack the forwards to guard Lebron effectively.

For me it's:
Rondo
KG
Pierce
Green
Bradley
Bass
Terry
Lee
Sully(hopefully he moves up to Bass' spot as he improves).
Darko
Wilcox
Collins
Barbosa
Joseph
Melo


The eye sight and the numbers leave no doubt: Garnett has a greater impact on the game than Rondo does. I cringed every time KG went to the bench and eagerly awaited his return each passing possession. I didn't like Rondo getting subbed by any means, but let's face it, he was the PG for one of the worst offenses in the entire league last year. Nothing to write home about. Lose him and we can't get significantly worse. Missing the defensive anchor of the leagues best defense, and you'll notice how important KG is.

There no evidence to suggest Rondo is more important than KG, other than of course being a RR fanboy. The case for #2 between RR and Pierce is more compelling, and I think the case can be made for both and there isn't a right or wrong answer.

You can mix and match 2-15, but everyone should have KG at the top.

Well, this fanboy believes that Rondo will be at least as important to this team's chances as Kevin Garnett.  As much as I expect KG to continue to valiantly battle father time, the truth is that he is 36 years old and will need to be treated with even more caution than in previous seasons.  The same is going to hold true for Paul Pierce.

Rondo, on the other hand, is just entering his prime years as an NBA player.  If we can keep our two older stars fresh for the playoffs, and our young point guard continues to shine brightest when the games really matter, then look out for another serious run at the trophy. 

At that point, it won't matter to me what order we place our three super stars.

The Big Three are all equally important. It's very hard to distinguish how much different we would be without each one, as each brings something very different.

You can compare their ages and expect improvement from Rondo and a decline from KG, but I think neither be drastic. And looking at the last games they played, in May and June, it was pretty evident that KG made a much bigger impact. His +/- far outweighed anybody in the NBA, let alone the C's. His impact on the offense may be even greater than Rondo's, at least according to the numbers. We were an excellent team with him on the floor, and every time he went to the bench, we became a pretty bad one. Close games became deficits. Our leads disappeared. Their leads widened.

Rondo and Pierce may be able to take over games more often than KG, but KG does things that don't show up on stat lines. The only place it shows is on the scoreboard. The shot he altered that someone else rebounded? No block or rebound for him, but no points either. That hard pick that freed Rondo who sets up Bass for an easy jumper. No points or assist for KG, but score 2 for us.

Rondo can have all those eye-popping statlines he wants/needs (as evident by his play in marquee games vs. games against bad teams), KG plays every game, every play, with the same importance. And it shows.
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Re: 1-15. Rank 'em if you got 'em
« Reply #37 on: October 27, 2012, 06:08:18 PM »

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Folks on here recognize that we weouldnt have made it to 7 games in the miami series without Rondo right? I mean, we might have lost the Philly series if Rondo hadnt stepped up at the end.

Look at it this way:  The folks who have Rondo at number 3 are the true optimists.  If Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett are playing so well--particularly come playoff time--that our MVP candidate is the team's third most valuable player, then we are the front runners to bring home #18.

It makes me laugh too. Do people forget he is the league MVP candidate for this team?
Of course without KG we are toast-he's the defensive MVP candidate for this team which thrives on defense.
But if we lose Rondo we are toast as well. People act like he's replaceable. He's arguably the best PG in the league and if he's not he's probably top 3. It;s like the Thunder losing Westbrook. They'd be no where.

KG is our defensive general, and Rondo is our offensive general. Without either one we are screwed. We could possibly get by without Pierce if Green steps up to 15 ppg because we have a stronger scoring bench, we'd just lack the forwards to guard Lebron effectively.

For me it's:
Rondo
KG
Pierce
Green
Bradley
Bass
Terry
Lee
Sully(hopefully he moves up to Bass' spot as he improves).
Darko
Wilcox
Collins
Barbosa
Joseph
Melo


The eye sight and the numbers leave no doubt: Garnett has a greater impact on the game than Rondo does. I cringed every time KG went to the bench and eagerly awaited his return each passing possession. I didn't like Rondo getting subbed by any means, but let's face it, he was the PG for one of the worst offenses in the entire league last year. Nothing to write home about. Lose him and we can't get significantly worse. Missing the defensive anchor of the leagues best defense, and you'll notice how important KG is.

There no evidence to suggest Rondo is more important than KG, other than of course being a RR fanboy. The case for #2 between RR and Pierce is more compelling, and I think the case can be made for both and there isn't a right or wrong answer.

You can mix and match 2-15, but everyone should have KG at the top.

Well, this fanboy believes that Rondo will be at least as important to this team's chances as Kevin Garnett.  As much as I expect KG to continue to valiantly battle father time, the truth is that he is 36 years old and will need to be treated with even more caution than in previous seasons.  The same is going to hold true for Paul Pierce.

Rondo, on the other hand, is just entering his prime years as an NBA player.  If we can keep our two older stars fresh for the playoffs, and our young point guard continues to shine brightest when the games really matter, then look out for another serious run at the trophy. 

At that point, it won't matter to me what order we place our three super stars.

The Big Three are all equally important. It's very hard to distinguish how much different we would be without each one, as each brings something very different.

You can compare their ages and expect improvement from Rondo and a decline from KG, but I think neither be drastic. And looking at the last games they played, in May and June, it was pretty evident that KG made a much bigger impact. His +/- far outweighed anybody in the NBA, let alone the C's. His impact on the offense may be even greater than Rondo's, at least according to the numbers. We were an excellent team with him on the floor, and every time he went to the bench, we became a pretty bad one. Close games became deficits. Our leads disappeared. Their leads widened.

Rondo and Pierce may be able to take over games more often than KG, but KG does things that don't show up on stat lines. The only place it shows is on the scoreboard. The shot he altered that someone else rebounded? No block or rebound for him, but no points either. That hard pick that freed Rondo who sets up Bass for an easy jumper. No points or assist for KG, but score 2 for us.

Rondo can have all those eye-popping statlines he wants/needs (as evident by his play in marquee games vs. games against bad teams), KG plays every game, every play, with the same importance. And it shows.

I'm not expecting a drastic decline from KG.  We'll be in trouble if that occurs.  As to the plus/minus numbers; Yes, it's an interesting and important number to look at, but it doesn't tell the whole story.  Doc found a very effective substitution pattern for KG that was effective in maximizing his time on the court.  Of course, KG gets the credit for his own play, but he was put in those positions to succeed.  Rondo, on the other hand, was forced to be out there almost all the time in the playoffs, regardless of who he was on the court with.  Obviously, these factors will have an effect on plus/minus numbers.

And, of course, KG does a lot of great things that don't show up on the stat sheet, but, of course, so does Rondo.  Your last two paragraphs are just a silly display of "my guy is better than your guy" nonsense. 
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C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: 1-15. Rank 'em if you got 'em
« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2012, 06:12:42 PM »

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My ranking:

1.Rondo/KG/PP
4.Green
5.Bass
6.Terry
7.Bradley
8.Lee
9.Sullinger
10.Milicic
11.Wilcox
12.Barbosa
13.Collins
14.Joseph
15.Melo

Can“t rate RR-KG-PP!!! we need them all!!

Re: 1-15. Rank 'em if you got 'em
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2012, 06:35:55 PM »

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Folks on here recognize that we weouldnt have made it to 7 games in the miami series without Rondo right? I mean, we might have lost the Philly series if Rondo hadnt stepped up at the end.

Look at it this way:  The folks who have Rondo at number 3 are the true optimists.  If Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett are playing so well--particularly come playoff time--that our MVP candidate is the team's third most valuable player, then we are the front runners to bring home #18.

It makes me laugh too. Do people forget he is the league MVP candidate for this team?
Of course without KG we are toast-he's the defensive MVP candidate for this team which thrives on defense.
But if we lose Rondo we are toast as well. People act like he's replaceable. He's arguably the best PG in the league and if he's not he's probably top 3. It;s like the Thunder losing Westbrook. They'd be no where.

KG is our defensive general, and Rondo is our offensive general. Without either one we are screwed. We could possibly get by without Pierce if Green steps up to 15 ppg because we have a stronger scoring bench, we'd just lack the forwards to guard Lebron effectively.

For me it's:
Rondo
KG
Pierce
Green
Bradley
Bass
Terry
Lee
Sully(hopefully he moves up to Bass' spot as he improves).
Darko
Wilcox
Collins
Barbosa
Joseph
Melo


The eye sight and the numbers leave no doubt: Garnett has a greater impact on the game than Rondo does. I cringed every time KG went to the bench and eagerly awaited his return each passing possession.

  I would disagree with this. Not that I didn't also cringe when KG went to the bench, but Rondo had a greater impact than KG.

I didn't like Rondo getting subbed by any means, but let's face it, he was the PG for one of the worst offenses in the entire league last year. Nothing to write home about. Lose him and we can't get significantly worse. Missing the defensive anchor of the leagues best defense, and you'll notice how important KG is.

  The offense scores the ball well, the biggest problem is a lack of offensive rebounds. If you're looking to blame someone, go with the center that gets fewer Orebs a game than your point guard.

You can mix and match 2-15, but everyone should have KG at the top.

  The thread's about ranking the players 1-15, but the OP doesn't say anything about what the players are ranked for. If it's most indispensable it's KG, in part for his play but also because he was the only player over 6'8 in the playoffs that was worth putting on the court. If it's by who's the best player, I'd go with Rondo. 

Re: 1-15. Rank 'em if you got 'em
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2012, 07:29:42 PM »

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Folks on here recognize that we weouldnt have made it to 7 games in the miami series without Rondo right? I mean, we might have lost the Philly series if Rondo hadnt stepped up at the end.

Look at it this way:  The folks who have Rondo at number 3 are the true optimists.  If Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett are playing so well--particularly come playoff time--that our MVP candidate is the team's third most valuable player, then we are the front runners to bring home #18.

It makes me laugh too. Do people forget he is the league MVP candidate for this team?
Of course without KG we are toast-he's the defensive MVP candidate for this team which thrives on defense.
But if we lose Rondo we are toast as well. People act like he's replaceable. He's arguably the best PG in the league and if he's not he's probably top 3. It;s like the Thunder losing Westbrook. They'd be no where.

KG is our defensive general, and Rondo is our offensive general. Without either one we are screwed. We could possibly get by without Pierce if Green steps up to 15 ppg because we have a stronger scoring bench, we'd just lack the forwards to guard Lebron effectively.

For me it's:
Rondo
KG
Pierce
Green
Bradley
Bass
Terry
Lee
Sully(hopefully he moves up to Bass' spot as he improves).
Darko
Wilcox
Collins
Barbosa
Joseph
Melo


The eye sight and the numbers leave no doubt: Garnett has a greater impact on the game than Rondo does. I cringed every time KG went to the bench and eagerly awaited his return each passing possession. I didn't like Rondo getting subbed by any means, but let's face it, he was the PG for one of the worst offenses in the entire league last year. Nothing to write home about. Lose him and we can't get significantly worse. Missing the defensive anchor of the leagues best defense, and you'll notice how important KG is.

There no evidence to suggest Rondo is more important than KG, other than of course being a RR fanboy. The case for #2 between RR and Pierce is more compelling, and I think the case can be made for both and there isn't a right or wrong answer.

You can mix and match 2-15, but everyone should have KG at the top.
I agree that KG is iireplaceable, but you are wrong when you say that we are not significantly worse without Rondo. No Rondo, no championship. Its that simple.

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« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2012, 07:33:18 PM »

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Folks on here recognize that we weouldnt have made it to 7 games in the miami series without Rondo right? I mean, we might have lost the Philly series if Rondo hadnt stepped up at the end.



Didn't we beat Philly without RR in the playoffs (of course I don't mean the entire series)? Now ask yourself this, how many times do you/anyone think we beat them without KG?
When did we beat Philly with out Rajon? Rondo was THE reason we won game 7. He had a triple double and put the game out of reach after Paul fouled out.
He was also the reason that KG was getting all those easy looks, especially in the playoffs.
Now KG's defense can NOT be replaced by anyone on this league. Without either, we wont win, but Rondo has that ability to take over the scoring load and dominate everything, which makes him just as valuable.

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« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2012, 07:35:47 PM »

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None of this matters though, cause we are Celtics fan boys/girls before we are Rondo or KG fanboys.

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« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2012, 07:40:39 PM »

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Folks on here recognize that we weouldnt have made it to 7 games in the miami series without Rondo right? I mean, we might have lost the Philly series if Rondo hadnt stepped up at the end.



Didn't we beat Philly without RR in the playoffs (of course I don't mean the entire series)? Now ask yourself this, how many times do you/anyone think we beat them without KG?
When did we beat Philly with out Rajon? Rondo was THE reason we won game 7. He had a triple double and put the game out of reach after Paul fouled out.
He was also the reason that KG was getting all those easy looks, especially in the playoffs.
Now KG's defense can NOT be replaced by anyone on this league. Without either, we wont win, but Rondo has that ability to take over the scoring load and dominate everything, which makes him just as valuable.

So you just skipped the part where I was corrected and THEN said Atlanta... the question I posed still stands! We beat them without RR, in all honesty do you think we could have beaten them once without KG?
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« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2012, 07:47:33 PM »

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1. KG
2. Rondo
3. Pierce


4. Terry
5. Bradley
6. Lee
7. Sullinger
8. Bass
9. Green
10. Darko
11. Barbosa
12. Collins
13. Wilcox
14. Joseph
15. Melo