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Doc on 98.5 right now!
« on: October 26, 2012, 04:27:11 PM »

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Says he thinks his starting Avery was the reason things deteriorated.  Says ray wont return his or Danny's calls
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2012, 04:29:56 PM »

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Says that he knows of at least 3 starting lineups using green, bass, and sully at the 4
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Re: Doc on 98.5 right now!
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2012, 04:33:42 PM »

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Says ray was hurt that they went after KG first but that doc would go after KG first 100 times over again
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2012, 05:18:20 PM »

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Says he thinks his starting Avery was the reason things deteriorated.  Says ray wont return his or Danny's calls


That really shows Rays true colors. His selfish ways were too prominent to sacrifice for the greater good of the team. That is the absolute antithesis of Celtics basketball. The facts are that we should all be glad that his ego was purged from the team.

I'll remember Ray as the whiny traitor whose ego was too big to work with some really special players and a really special coach. It sucks because he did so many great things for us.

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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2012, 05:21:53 PM »

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Says he thinks his starting Avery was the reason things deteriorated.  Says ray wont return his or Danny's calls


That really shows Rays true colors. His selfish ways were too prominent to sacrifice for the greater good of the team. That is the absolute antithesis of Celtics basketball. The facts are that we should all be glad that his ego was purged from the team.

I'll remember Ray as the whiny traitor whose ego was too big to work with some really special players and a really special coach. It sucks because he did so many great things for us.

Just to be clear, it was Rays ego, that kept him in the gym hours before and after everyone else, and played a huge role in the 2008 championship.  You take the good with the bad.


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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2012, 05:25:21 PM »

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I tuned in midway through.  Doc had a great line when they asked him about reports that Ray was bent out of shape that the Celts went after re-signing KG before him.  Doc said he couldn't see how Ray could get upset over that "I mean I'd it that way a hundred thousand times."
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2012, 05:27:27 PM »

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Says he thinks his starting Avery was the reason things deteriorated.  Says ray wont return his or Danny's calls


That really shows Rays true colors. His selfish ways were too prominent to sacrifice for the greater good of the team. That is the absolute antithesis of Celtics basketball. The facts are that we should all be glad that his ego was purged from the team.

I'll remember Ray as the whiny traitor whose ego was too big to work with some really special players and a really special coach. It sucks because he did so many great things for us.

Just to be clear, it was Rays ego, that kept him in the gym hours before and after everyone else, and played a huge role in the 2008 championship.  You take the good with the bad.

But even the ego thing doesn't totally fit what's going on here.  If he had such a big ego, why does he go to a team where he'll never be the #1 option and will never start?

At least here he had a shot to hold onto the starting 2 guard spot with Avery out and there would be nights where Doc would ride his hot hand. 


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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2012, 05:35:27 PM »

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Says he thinks his starting Avery was the reason things deteriorated.  Says ray wont return his or Danny's calls


That really shows Rays true colors. His selfish ways were too prominent to sacrifice for the greater good of the team. That is the absolute antithesis of Celtics basketball. The facts are that we should all be glad that his ego was purged from the team.

I'll remember Ray as the whiny traitor whose ego was too big to work with some really special players and a really special coach. It sucks because he did so many great things for us.
He did sacrifice for the greater good of the team.  Every year in Boston.  And he kept his mouth shut to the media the whole time he was a Celtic.  Like someone else said, you take the good with the bad.  It's actually something in Ray's favor that he waited until he was no longer a Celtic to even mention being disgruntled.

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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2012, 06:00:10 PM »

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How are people still defending this guy? Everytime he opens his mouth, he comes off as whiny, self-absorbed, ego maniac. As someone said in a previous thread, its really telling that most of his comments are about the Celtics and not his "great new team." I mean really, if its the media constantly asking him, he could always say "I'm focused on my current team and don't want to talk about my old team anymore" instead of pulling out alleged botched trades from 2008 and 2009.

It just seems like he's really bitter. But as Doc says, let him keep talking. Its easier.
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2012, 06:02:23 PM »

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I think the biggest comment against ray was this one.

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if you are here for me to run plays to make you look good your probably in the wrong place.  If your here for me to run things to make the team look good your in the right place
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I think the biggest comment against ray was this one.

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if you are here for me to run plays to make you look good your probably in the wrong place.  If your here for me to run things to make the team look good your in the right place


[dang]. Tell it Doc!


People keep saying Ray kept his mouth shut but ask Dooling if that's true.

Maybe Ray didn't want to make his whining public (even though he was a snitch on the downlow), but he said himself that he asked Doc many times about why they weren't using him as much, the way he wanted (Doc's reply in the quote above actually attests to that)... sounds to me like he whined a lot behind closed doors (but since people don't go about blasting their players or teammates, it was all kept under wraps). It seems as if he wanted everyone to keep thinking of him as classy in the public but wasn't behind closed doors (now to the media since he jumped ship).
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2012, 06:57:14 PM »

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But even the ego thing doesn't totally fit what's going on here.  If he had such a big ego, why does he go to a team where he'll never be the #1 option and will never start?

Doing what he thought would most hurt the Celtics out of spite is an explanation that totally fits the facts.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2012, 07:13:47 PM »

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Thanks for helping us get a another banner, Ray....  NOW I'M GOING TO BOOOOOOOOOOO MY ASS OFF EVERY TIME I SEE HIM.  HE'S DIRT AND A TRAITOR.

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« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2012, 03:22:53 AM »

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So all of this basically just confirms what we already knew:


1. Ray felt insulted that Doc started a player [Bradley] who was a better fit with the starting linup than he was.


Ray's net off/def rating was +3.1, meaning the Celtics outscored their opponents by an average of 3 points per 100 posessions with Ray on the court.

Bradley's net off/def rating was +5.6, meaning the Celtics outscored their opponents by almost twice as much when Bradley was on the court compared to when Allen was on the court.

Clearly the Celtics had a better chance of winning games with Bradley on the court, so if he were as unselfish as some people seem to believe (and truly wanted to win above all else) he would have accepted that and bought in to the bench role.  In fact if that were true he would have WANTED to come off the bench, knowing that he increased the chance of his team winning.

Look at Jason Terry as an example - he's always been a top 5 player on his teams, yet he has bought in to the role of being a leader off the bench.  He understands that winning is more important than ego, and that you don't need to be a starter to be valuable.  In his championship season in Dallas he knew that even though he was coming off the bench, he was still the 2nd or 3rd most valuable player on his team. 

Ray seemingly felt that the role on the team measured how valuable he was - as if it's all about labels for him.  Sounds like he couldn't comprehend the fact that our bench was desperately lacking scoring power, and that a shooter of his calibre would have been far more valuable with our second unit than it was with our (already very offensively potent) starting lineup.


2. Ray felt insulted that Doc chased a better player [KG] more aggressively than he chased him


This is like Pippen getting upset because Phil Jackson pursued Jordan's contract extension before going after him.
 
KG is clearly the better (and more valuable) player to the team.  All you need to do is watch pretty a few games from last seasons playoffs to see this - along with Rondo, KG pretty much put the entire team on his shoulders and carried them to the ECF. Plus pretty much everbody on this Celtics team acknowledges that KG is the reason why they have been a top 5 defensive team every season since 2008.

Pierce is clearly the centre of the teams offense (unless you argue Rondo is) but one way or the other Ray clearly doesn't have the same degree of impact on this team as Rondo, KG and Pierce did...so this is just a case of Ray's ego eclipsing his common sense. 



3. Ray felt insulted that Doc wasn't running enough plays for him, and hence he wasn't getting enough shots
   

This is probably the only part I can SOMEWHAT sympathise with, because Ray obvious knew he was still an elite shooter and yet Rondo, Pierce, Bass, KG and even Bradley all had higher usage rates than Ray. 

When you have Rondo, Pierce and KG above you for usage rate you can probably accept that, but when you are as capable a scorer as Ray and have Bass and Bradley getting more plays called for them than for you...I can understand how that would be difficult to swallow.

Limited as Ray was at times, there's no denying that he was at least the 3rd best offensive player on the team last year, so being ranked 6th in usage rate would be a bit humbling for a player of his ability and reputation.  Granted, the usage rates for Bass and Bradley were barely above Ray's at all...but the fact that they were above his period would have hurt. 

Plus Bradley was a second year player (not known for his offense) and Bass was playing his first season in Boston.  Ray had been there battling with this team for the last 4 seasons and is arguable the greatest shooter in history, and those guys are getting more touches than him?  If you put yourself in his position, that would be hard to accept. 

That said, there was obviously a reason why the 2nd or 3rd best offensive player on the team wasn't getting many touches.  It probably had to do with the amount of time Boston would loose off the clock while the ran ray of multiple screens trying to free him up for a shot.  For Bass it was a simple pick and pop, and for Bradley a simply back-door cut - both are quick and easy plays to run by comparison. 

Ray should have realised and understood this, but i'm sure it's much harder to see clearly when you are in that situation yourself.

Either way there is really no excuse for the first factors, and I seriously doubt Ray's usage rate will be much (if any) higher in Miami.

Even if you COULD justify all of that, there is no justifying his subtle public badmouting of the team he apparently still considers himself 'spiritually' a part of.  That's just unprofessional.
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