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Most complete Celtic team?
« on: October 08, 2012, 08:28:57 PM »

Offline nostar

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Of course I mean in the last 10-15 years.

I'm 26 years old and I can't remember any Celtics team that was this well rounded since the late 80s teams. I'm a big fan of armchair GM-ing and I like to find trades but what I'm finding this year is that unless we get some highway robbery situation (see my Demarcus Cousins thread) we really don't need any help this year. We have a top 5 PG, a top 10 center, depth at the wing and a former 6th man award winner.

The only thing I can think of is to target a legitimate backup to Rondo. Honestly there aren't a lot of guys worth targeting at this point and we have a good amount of overlap. Terry has a great handle and Bradley can do the 3rd string work when he gets back. Additionally Pierce has a history of playing Point-forward so we're doing a good job of patchwork-ing.

I know we could use a low-post center threat. I know we could always use another all-star on the roster. But with our resources and our current roster I'm not sure we really need anything. I might argue that if we can afford to trade Bass for either a legitimate backup  at PG or SF. Our depth in the front court isn't something I'd relish losing but when 8/15 players can play at PF or C I think we can at least look there to shore up the back court in case of an injury.

Also put me in the camp that believes if we're relying on Christmas or Smith or Joseph we've done something bad.

So here are a couple of ideas I had for how to get a backup PG:

Bass for Calderon: I think the math is pretty close, although I'd have to look at our # under the apron to be sure. I think we'd be somewhere around 1.3M over the apron so Toronto would have to take a couple of our minimum contracts to make it work and probably a 2nd round pick to make it worth it to them to do so.

Make a deal with Houston: I'm not sure exactly what I'd look for here but something like White/Machado for Melo/Joseph would work I think. Salary-wise it's within the margin and we'd be addressing concerns without giving up anything. Melo is going to the Red Claws anyway so we're not mortgaging the present and White might develop into an all-star or flame out. Machado is pretty clearly an nba-level player from what I saw in the preseason and he's a distributing PG which our team is used to. I'd probably give Houston a pick to make the deal if necessary.

What do you guys think we need if anything?

Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2012, 08:44:53 PM »

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What do you guys think we need if anything?

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Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2012, 09:16:07 PM »

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Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2012, 09:29:21 PM »

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We are are a great team and a complete team but i know how we can get better.

Trade:

Celtics Get:
Josh Smith

Hawks Get:
Avery Bradely
Brandon Bass
Fab Melo
Celtics 1st round pick
Celtics 2nd round pick
Other Team 2nd round pick

Other Team Gets:
Jason Collins
Cash

Then, sign Chris Anderson and Eddie House.

Rajon Rondo/ Jason Terry/ Eddie House
Courtney Lee/ Jason Terry/ Dionte Christmas
Paul Pierce/ Jeff Green/ Kris Joseph
Josh Smith/ Jared Sullinger/ Chris Wilcox
Kevin Garnett/ Darko Milicic/ Chris Anderson

Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2012, 09:32:03 PM »

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We are are a great team and a complete team but i know how we can get better.

Trade:

Celtics Get:
Josh Smith

Hawks Get:
Avery Bradely
Brandon Bass
Fab Melo
Celtics 1st round pick
Celtics 2nd round pick
Other Team 2nd round pick

Other Team Gets:
Jason Collins
Cash

Then, sign Chris Anderson and Eddie House.

Rajon Rondo/ Jason Terry/ Eddie House
Courtney Lee/ Jason Terry/ Dionte Christmas
Paul Pierce/ Jeff Green/ Kris Joseph
Josh Smith/ Jared Sullinger/ Chris Wilcox
Kevin Garnett/ Darko Milicic/ Chris Anderson
I agree he is Danny's main target,but we would have to trade Bass and Green to make the money work for a trade.

Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2012, 09:33:32 PM »

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Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2012, 09:44:46 PM »

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We are are a great team and a complete team but i know how we can get better.

Trade:

Celtics Get:
Josh Smith

Hawks Get:
Avery Bradely
Brandon Bass
Fab Melo
Celtics 1st round pick
Celtics 2nd round pick
Other Team 2nd round pick

Other Team Gets:
Jason Collins
Cash

Then, sign Chris Anderson and Eddie House.

Rajon Rondo/ Jason Terry/ Eddie House
Courtney Lee/ Jason Terry/ Dionte Christmas
Paul Pierce/ Jeff Green/ Kris Joseph
Josh Smith/ Jared Sullinger/ Chris Wilcox
Kevin Garnett/ Darko Milicic/ Chris Anderson
I would pull the trig

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Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2012, 11:07:40 PM »

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We are are a great team and a complete team but i know how we can get better.

Trade:

Celtics Get:
Josh Smith

Hawks Get:
Avery Bradely
Brandon Bass
Fab Melo
Celtics 1st round pick
Celtics 2nd round pick
Other Team 2nd round pick

Other Team Gets:
Jason Collins
Cash

Then, sign Chris Anderson and Eddie House.

Rajon Rondo/ Jason Terry/ Eddie House
Courtney Lee/ Jason Terry/ Dionte Christmas
Paul Pierce/ Jeff Green/ Kris Joseph
Josh Smith/ Jared Sullinger/ Chris Wilcox
Kevin Garnett/ Darko Milicic/ Chris Anderson

  Is Eddie House still in the league?

Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2012, 11:25:37 PM »

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We are are a great team and a complete team but i know how we can get better.

Trade:

Celtics Get:
Josh Smith

Hawks Get:
Avery Bradely
Brandon Bass
Fab Melo
Celtics 1st round pick
Celtics 2nd round pick
Other Team 2nd round pick

Other Team Gets:
Jason Collins
Cash

Then, sign Chris Anderson and Eddie House.

Rajon Rondo/ Jason Terry/ Eddie House
Courtney Lee/ Jason Terry/ Dionte Christmas
Paul Pierce/ Jeff Green/ Kris Joseph
Josh Smith/ Jared Sullinger/ Chris Wilcox
Kevin Garnett/ Darko Milicic/ Chris Anderson
I agree he is Danny's main target,but we would have to trade Bass and Green to make the money work for a trade.

You are correct that the money doesn't work in celticmania's trade.

But trading Bass AND Green is overkill on the salary matching.

To bring Smith's salary in (balloons to 15M on trade clause) we need to send at least 10M.  But we need to send a little more than that to stay under the luxury tax threshold - so ~11M or so should do it.

Green plus Bass is 14M+ - so that's overkill.  Plus, while we can afford to trade Bass because we have depth at PF AND the player we get back (Smith) would be a PF, however trading Green robs us of our SF depth behind Pierce, which is critical.   I don't think we can afford to do that.  We need Pierce to be fresh come playoffs.

Bass plus Lee is 11M.   That trade works better for matching the money plus once Bradley is back then we have more depth at SG to trade from.   I.E., Lee becomes a tradable luxury.   Yes, Atlanta has a surplus of SGs of its own right now.  To make this work, you probably need a third team that would take either Lee or someone from ATL's roster in exchange for something ATL needs in order to make the deal work.   Sweeten the deal with draft picks.

The net would be the C's getting Smith and Atlanta getting Bass + Lee/whatever + picks.   ATL has to take some sort of deal like that at some point or watch Smith walk at the end of the year.
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Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2012, 01:32:14 AM »

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Re: Most complete Celtic team?
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If we could net Josh Smith for the cost of Bass and Lee+picks, it would be a coupe of huge proportions.

It would also be a disingenuous use of Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass. I'm assuming based on press releases that Danny brought them on with less money than they could command elsewhere. Trading them is bad ju-ju.

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Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2012, 02:47:24 AM »

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Why is everything on this blog about Josh Smith. We would have to move 3 key role players to afford him or Pierce. Oh and I hope he likes playing SF minutes.

Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2012, 02:55:02 AM »

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If only we could play 10 guys on the court at once.

Sadly, it's a 5 on 5 game.  And while depth is great... having a ton of mediocre players isn't always that grand.  I'd gladly take 40 minutes of Dwight Howard or 40 minutes of Kobe Bryant instead of 8 different average dudes playing positions by committee.  It's the NBA, folks.  You can't play 4 average shooting guards and 5 average power forwards at the same time.

Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2012, 02:06:41 AM »

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You know what...I actually don't hate the Bass for Calderon idea.

Calderon is a legitimate pass-first PG (a rarity in this league), he's got good size for his position, and he's also a very good shooter. 

I see Calderon as a poor-man's Steve Nash.  He does pretty much everything Nash did in his prime, but does it about 75% - 80% as well.

As others have mentioned we are very deep at PF with Bass/Wilcox/Sullinger/Green able to play minutes there.  My concern is the health question marks on Wilcox and Sullinger - I think you'd need to wait it out a little and make sure those guys are healthy and if so, I'd have no hessitation. 

It allows us to start Sullinger which will allow him to learn and realise his potential more quickly, and it also allows Green to get more minutes at the PF spot.  I'm all for Green playing 28-30 minutes a night since we are paying him starter money.

It's a tad risky but I like it.

Downside is it moves Terry to the backup SG spot which means once Bradley comes back either he or Lee becomes homeless...

Rondo/Calderon/Bradley/Terry gives us without a doubt the most dominant guard rotation in the league, but we are small at the SG spot.

Rondo/Calderon/Lee/Terry gives us the most versatile guard rotation in the league (and still probably the best) but I think Bradley's defense is just too much to give up.

Re: Most complete Celtic team?
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2012, 06:06:24 AM »

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If we could net Josh Smith for the cost of Bass and Lee+picks, it would be a coupe of huge proportions.

It would also be a disingenuous use of Courtney Lee and Brandon Bass. I'm assuming based on press releases that Danny brought them on with less money than they could command elsewhere. Trading them is bad ju-ju.

I'm not one of those people who says that you shouldn't trade someone soon after signing them. I think this is a business and if the Celtics are in a position to land an all-star level talent Lee (as an example) knows that he'll be on the next flight. If Rondo was on the trading block I'm pretty sure anyone signing on in Boston knows the kind of GM Ainge is.

All that being said I agree that luring FAs here after being a revolving door is more difficult. We don't have a huge ad market and we're not exactly well liked as a team in the league.

On the other hand we have a top PG, a coach players love to play for and a winning culture. Throw a couple of HoFers in there and it's not the worst situation for free agents. The thing we have to maintain is the culture. In a year or two KG is going to retire. It will be a sad day for sports fans and an even sadder day for Celtics fans. Between now and then we have to get guys in here and signed who will continue that kind of winning culture into the future.