More ESPN tidbits: Doc: "We want [Green] to be uptempo 4, power 3"

[bfrombleacher]

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4697590/green-power-3-uptempo-4

The article also talked about Green's struggle and how the transition from full time finesse PF to a "full time" combo-forward was possibly one of the causes.

The "uptempo 4" was pretty much a given but I love the sound of the "power 3".

I learned in another thread that he's apparently a good playmaker out of the post in college.(http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=59753.msg1305406;topicseen)

Makes me interested in seeing Pierce and Green at the wings with 2 legit bigs against the Heat if the whole Green-in-post thing works out.

[Kwhit10]

With a lot of teams going smaller in the regular season I would like Green to improve his post game especially when he plays at the 3.

The word is still out on Green in my opinion, and a lot of people around the league think he won't amount to much.  But if he has a well defined role, which I don't think he's really had yet, I think he can be a good contributor.  I'm really excited for the type of players we have coming off the bench this year, especially when AB comes back.

[AshyLarry]

Boo yahhhhhh. Hey, any of you guys remember the last time this team was 2 deep with solid players at every position in the Big 3 era? Cool, me neither.

This season can't come fast enough. I haven't been this excited for the start of the NBA season in like a year!!

PS. Can't wait for the Rondo-show lineup.

Rondo-Bradley-Lee-Green-Wilcox

[Jon]

I think that's always been the plan.  I think Green will be just fine at the 4 so long as the C's seek to exploit the other team's 4.

If they simply play Green at the 4 as they play Bass, then the C's will be at a disadvantage.  But if the C's let Green outrun and drive by slower 4s, it could actually turn into a real advantage. 

[FatjohnReturns]

Dont play Green at the four. He is not a good enough rebounder to play significant time at the pow :)er forward.  We will get killed on the boards.

[bucknersrevenge]

Dont play Green at the four. He is not a good enough rebounder to play significant time at the pow :)er forward.  We will get killed on the boards.

Clearly Doc thinks it's worth taking that chance. I'm inclined to agree.

[SHAQATTACK]

I think Wilcox is gonna show up big this year. He was playing great with a bunch of nagging injuries before the heart deal took him out.  Wilcox 100% , in now better shape with Celtic experience under his belt, found a home, and confidence can REALLY help this team.

With Sully, Wilcox , Lee ,and Darko, KG and healty PP ... I don't see us as the worst rebounding team anymore.  We should be at least middle of the road.

Question is what will Green add ?

[Jon]

Dont play Green at the four. He is not a good enough rebounder to play significant time at the pow :)er forward.  We will get killed on the boards.

Clearly Doc thinks it's worth taking that chance. I'm inclined to agree.

Have people forgotten the past 5 years where Doc has played the likes of Posey and Pietrus at the 4 for extended periods of time?  Arguably our best lineup in 2008 featured James Posey at the 4. 

We can debate how much 4 Green should play or how good he is at it, but he's certainly more capable than Posey or Pietrus were at the 4.  And if the Celtics could be strong with them there, there's no reason to think they can't be even more successful with Green there. 

(And all of that isn't even getting into the undersized, poor-rebounding power forwards that we've had there over the past 5 years including Powe, BBD, and Bass.  With the way some people whine about Green at the 4, one would think that we've been playing Kevin McHale or Karl Malone there the past 5 years.)

[xmuscularghandix]

Backup small forward, can go small at the end of games with him at the PF. Especially against Miami if they're going to go with Battier, Lebron, Bosh as their frontcourt to close.   

[FatjohnReturns]

Dont play Green at the four. He is not a good enough rebounder to play significant time at the pow :)er forward.  We will get killed on the boards.

Clearly Doc thinks it's worth taking that chance. I'm inclined to agree.

Have people forgotten the past 5 years where Doc has played the likes of Posey and Pietrus at the 4 for extended periods of time?  Arguably our best lineup in 2008 featured James Posey at the 4. 

We can debate how much 4 Green should play or how good he is at it, but he's certainly more capable than Posey or Pietrus were at the 4.  And if the Celtics could be strong with them there, there's no reason to think they can't be even more successful with Green there. 

(And all of that isn't even getting into the undersized, poor-rebounding power forwards that we've had there over the past 5 years including Powe, BBD, and Bass.  With the way some people whine about Green at the 4, one would think that we've been playing Kevin McHale or Karl Malone there the past 5 years.)

Are you suggesting that a 12/13 Green is as good of a defender at the at the power forward as 07/08 James Posey?

I would only put Green at the four when we play Miami and they go with Lebron at the four. Green is a liability otherwise and the tradeoff is a net negative for the Celtics.

[BballTim]

Dont play Green at the four. He is not a good enough rebounder to play significant time at the pow :)er forward.  We will get killed on the boards.

Clearly Doc thinks it's worth taking that chance. I'm inclined to agree.

Have people forgotten the past 5 years where Doc has played the likes of Posey and Pietrus at the 4 for extended periods of time?  Arguably our best lineup in 2008 featured James Posey at the 4. 

We can debate how much 4 Green should play or how good he is at it, but he's certainly more capable than Posey or Pietrus were at the 4.  And if the Celtics could be strong with them there, there's no reason to think they can't be even more successful with Green there. 

(And all of that isn't even getting into the undersized, poor-rebounding power forwards that we've had there over the past 5 years including Powe, BBD, and Bass.  With the way some people whine about Green at the 4, one would think that we've been playing Kevin McHale or Karl Malone there the past 5 years.)

Are you suggesting that a 12/13 Green is as good of a defender at the at the power forward as 07/08 James Posey?

  It's pretty close. Those Posey at the four lineups were better offensively with James in for Perk but we took a serious hit defensively when Posey was our power forward, especially in the playoffs.

[FatjohnReturns]

Dont play Green at the four. He is not a good enough rebounder to play significant time at the pow :)er forward.  We will get killed on the boards.

Clearly Doc thinks it's worth taking that chance. I'm inclined to agree.

Have people forgotten the past 5 years where Doc has played the likes of Posey and Pietrus at the 4 for extended periods of time?  Arguably our best lineup in 2008 featured James Posey at the 4. 

We can debate how much 4 Green should play or how good he is at it, but he's certainly more capable than Posey or Pietrus were at the 4.  And if the Celtics could be strong with them there, there's no reason to think they can't be even more successful with Green there. 

(And all of that isn't even getting into the undersized, poor-rebounding power forwards that we've had there over the past 5 years including Powe, BBD, and Bass.  With the way some people whine about Green at the 4, one would think that we've been playing Kevin McHale or Karl Malone there the past 5 years.)

Are you suggesting that a 12/13 Green is as good of a defender at the at the power forward as 07/08 James Posey?

  It's pretty close. Those Posey at the four lineups were better offensively with James in for Perk but we took a serious hit defensively when Posey was our power forward, especially in the playoffs.

No way not even close. Green is not the defender Posey was. Posey also had a nasty edge ala Dennis Rodman which added to the intimidation factor. Jeff Green is about as passive as they come.

[BballTim]

Dont play Green at the four. He is not a good enough rebounder to play significant time at the pow :)er forward.  We will get killed on the boards.

Clearly Doc thinks it's worth taking that chance. I'm inclined to agree.

Have people forgotten the past 5 years where Doc has played the likes of Posey and Pietrus at the 4 for extended periods of time?  Arguably our best lineup in 2008 featured James Posey at the 4. 

We can debate how much 4 Green should play or how good he is at it, but he's certainly more capable than Posey or Pietrus were at the 4.  And if the Celtics could be strong with them there, there's no reason to think they can't be even more successful with Green there. 

(And all of that isn't even getting into the undersized, poor-rebounding power forwards that we've had there over the past 5 years including Powe, BBD, and Bass.  With the way some people whine about Green at the 4, one would think that we've been playing Kevin McHale or Karl Malone there the past 5 years.)

Are you suggesting that a 12/13 Green is as good of a defender at the at the power forward as 07/08 James Posey?

  It's pretty close. Those Posey at the four lineups were better offensively with James in for Perk but we took a serious hit defensively when Posey was our power forward, especially in the playoffs.

No way not even close. Green is not the defender Posey was. Posey also had a nasty edge ala Dennis Rodman which added to the intimidation factor. Jeff Green is about as passive as they come.

  During the season Posey's opponent's PER was 5.5 points higher when he was a pf, during the playoffs it was about 3 points worse. During the season our defense was 8 points a game worse when Posey was a pf compared to a sf, in the playoffs we were 14 points worse. That nasty edge didn't have the effect that you remember it having.

[FatjohnReturns]

Dont play Green at the four. He is not a good enough rebounder to play significant time at the pow :)er forward.  We will get killed on the boards.

Clearly Doc thinks it's worth taking that chance. I'm inclined to agree.

Have people forgotten the past 5 years where Doc has played the likes of Posey and Pietrus at the 4 for extended periods of time?  Arguably our best lineup in 2008 featured James Posey at the 4. 

We can debate how much 4 Green should play or how good he is at it, but he's certainly more capable than Posey or Pietrus were at the 4.  And if the Celtics could be strong with them there, there's no reason to think they can't be even more successful with Green there. 

(And all of that isn't even getting into the undersized, poor-rebounding power forwards that we've had there over the past 5 years including Powe, BBD, and Bass.  With the way some people whine about Green at the 4, one would think that we've been playing Kevin McHale or Karl Malone there the past 5 years.)

Are you suggesting that a 12/13 Green is as good of a defender at the at the power forward as 07/08 James Posey?

  It's pretty close. Those Posey at the four lineups were better offensively with James in for Perk but we took a serious hit defensively when Posey was our power forward, especially in the playoffs.

No way not even close. Green is not the defender Posey was. Posey also had a nasty edge ala Dennis Rodman which added to the intimidation factor. Jeff Green is about as passive as they come.

  During the season Posey's opponent's PER was 5.5 points higher when he was a pf, during the playoffs it was about 3 points worse. During the season our defense was 8 points a game worse when Posey was a pf compared to a sf, in the playoffs we were 14 points worse. That nasty edge didn't have the effect that you remember it having.

I remember fine thank you. Stats are nice Dont put all your faith in stats. Opponents per seriously? Its not quantifiable.

[BballTim]

Dont play Green at the four. He is not a good enough rebounder to play significant time at the pow :)er forward.  We will get killed on the boards.

Clearly Doc thinks it's worth taking that chance. I'm inclined to agree.

Have people forgotten the past 5 years where Doc has played the likes of Posey and Pietrus at the 4 for extended periods of time?  Arguably our best lineup in 2008 featured James Posey at the 4. 

We can debate how much 4 Green should play or how good he is at it, but he's certainly more capable than Posey or Pietrus were at the 4.  And if the Celtics could be strong with them there, there's no reason to think they can't be even more successful with Green there. 

(And all of that isn't even getting into the undersized, poor-rebounding power forwards that we've had there over the past 5 years including Powe, BBD, and Bass.  With the way some people whine about Green at the 4, one would think that we've been playing Kevin McHale or Karl Malone there the past 5 years.)

Are you suggesting that a 12/13 Green is as good of a defender at the at the power forward as 07/08 James Posey?

  It's pretty close. Those Posey at the four lineups were better offensively with James in for Perk but we took a serious hit defensively when Posey was our power forward, especially in the playoffs.

No way not even close. Green is not the defender Posey was. Posey also had a nasty edge ala Dennis Rodman which added to the intimidation factor. Jeff Green is about as passive as they come.

  During the season Posey's opponent's PER was 5.5 points higher when he was a pf, during the playoffs it was about 3 points worse. During the season our defense was 8 points a game worse when Posey was a pf compared to a sf, in the playoffs we were 14 points worse. That nasty edge didn't have the effect that you remember it having.

I remember fine thank you. Stats are nice Dont put all your faith in stats. Opponents per seriously? Its not quantifiable.

  Okay, so you don't like opponent's PER. Truth be told, it's not my favorite stat either. How about the part that the Celt's defense was significantly worse with Posey at pf compared to sf, on the order of 10 points a game worse? Last year that would be the difference between being number 1 in the league defensively and number 25 or so. If you remember fine, then surely you must be aware of that.