Jeremy Lin hype still going strong

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Todays poll on nba.com:

Will Jeremy Lin be an All-Star this season?

66% - Yes
34% - No

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

Where is this coming from still? The guy is very average, hes offense is ok but his defense is horrible, there is nothing all-star like about him and hes a turnover machine!

It will be a crime if he is voted in as a starter next allstar game. Cause I at least hope coaches dont believe the hype.

Well....sighhhhh at least hes not in the east so rondo wont get robbed, cant say the same for chris paul.

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If Jamal Magloire can be an all star i guess anything is possible.

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If Jamal Magloire can be an all star i guess anything is possible.

I guess but it would be a shame, i hate when players gets the nod simply because of thier popularity and not thier talent/the level they have performed at.

Paul, parker, westbrook, Curry the list goes on with guys that are better and more deeservant of an allstar nod.

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If we don't vote him in, China will.

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I'm pulling for him. I disagree with the OP, I think Jeremy Lin's 18 pts, 8 assists, and 4 boards as a starting PG is above average among NBA starting PG's.

I do have a hard time thinking he'll be able to sustain that production over the course of an entire season, especially without many other proven shot creators on Houston's roster. They're going to be relying heavily on Lin at times, especially if Martin goes down, and while there is a ton of potential on Houston's roster, I'd be surprised if Lin was shooting over 44% next season from the field.

Then, you look at Darren Collison, a guy who average 18 and 9 as a rookie, shooting much better. Ty Lawson, a guy who after the All-Star break averaged 17 and 7, and shot 50% from the field. Those guys are likely his peers, while guys like Paul, Parker, Westbrook are all head and shoulders above.

Like I said, I'm pulling for him, but I don't think an All-Star birth is in the cards.

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I'm pulling for him. I disagree with the OP, I think Jeremy Lin's 18 pts, 8 assists, and 4 boards as a starting PG is above average among NBA starting PG's.

I do have a hard time thinking he'll be able to sustain that production over the course of an entire season, especially without many other proven shot creators on Houston's roster. They're going to be relying heavily on Lin at times, especially if Martin goes down, and while there is a ton of potential on Houston's roster, I'd be surprised if Lin was shooting over 44% next season from the field.

Then, you look at Darren Collison, a guy who average 18 and 9 as a rookie, shooting much better. Ty Lawson, a guy who after the All-Star break averaged 17 and 7, and shot 50% from the field. Those guys are likely his peers, while guys like Paul, Parker, Westbrook are all head and shoulders above.

Like I said, I'm pulling for him, but I don't think an All-Star birth is in the cards.

Well if he starts on that rockets team i dont know if he will but i seriously doubt he will put up numbers like that, he clearly is not a point due to his terrible ballhandling ( 117 turnovers in 25 games started) however it turns out there is no way he should be playing in  the allstar game. There is probably 10-15 guys i would pick ahead of him, hes so overrated.

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I'm pulling for him. I disagree with the OP, I think Jeremy Lin's 18 pts, 8 assists, and 4 boards as a starting PG is above average among NBA starting PG's.

I do have a hard time thinking he'll be able to sustain that production over the course of an entire season, especially without many other proven shot creators on Houston's roster. They're going to be relying heavily on Lin at times, especially if Martin goes down, and while there is a ton of potential on Houston's roster, I'd be surprised if Lin was shooting over 44% next season from the field.

Then, you look at Darren Collison, a guy who average 18 and 9 as a rookie, shooting much better. Ty Lawson, a guy who after the All-Star break averaged 17 and 7, and shot 50% from the field. Those guys are likely his peers, while guys like Paul, Parker, Westbrook are all head and shoulders above.

Like I said, I'm pulling for him, but I don't think an All-Star birth is in the cards.

Well if he starts on that rockets team i dont know if he will but i seriously doubt he will put up numbers like that, he clearly is not a point due to his terrible ballhandling however it turns out there is no way he should be playing in  the allstar game. There is probably 10-15 guys i would pick ahead of him, hes so overrated.

Jeremy Lin isn't a terrible ball handler. He passed for an assist roughly as often as Deron Williams did, he turned the ball over roughly as often as Steve Nash. Jeremy Lin is best suited as a ball-dominant scorer, but its not like he can't pass.

And the dude was basically a rookie, thrown into the fire with very little preamble. Its a pretty fantastic run he just had, and there is no reason to think the 24 year old isn't going to continue to get better.

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I'm pulling for him. I disagree with the OP, I think Jeremy Lin's 18 pts, 8 assists, and 4 boards as a starting PG is above average among NBA starting PG's.

I do have a hard time thinking he'll be able to sustain that production over the course of an entire season, especially without many other proven shot creators on Houston's roster. They're going to be relying heavily on Lin at times, especially if Martin goes down, and while there is a ton of potential on Houston's roster, I'd be surprised if Lin was shooting over 44% next season from the field.

Then, you look at Darren Collison, a guy who average 18 and 9 as a rookie, shooting much better. Ty Lawson, a guy who after the All-Star break averaged 17 and 7, and shot 50% from the field. Those guys are likely his peers, while guys like Paul, Parker, Westbrook are all head and shoulders above.

Like I said, I'm pulling for him, but I don't think an All-Star birth is in the cards.

Well if he starts on that rockets team i dont know if he will but i seriously doubt he will put up numbers like that, he clearly is not a point due to his terrible ballhandling however it turns out there is no way he should be playing in  the allstar game. There is probably 10-15 guys i would pick ahead of him, hes so overrated.

Jeremy Lin isn't a terrible ball handler. He passed for an assist roughly as often as Deron Williams did, he turned the ball over roughly as often as Steve Nash. Jeremy Lin is best suited as a ball-dominant scorer, but its not like he can't pass.

And the dude was basically a rookie, thrown into the fire with very little preamble. Its a pretty fantastic run he just had, and there is no reason to think the 24 year old isn't going to continue to get better.

WHAT? He si a horrible ball handler 117 tos in 25 games r u kiddin me? thats like 4.68 per game just STOP IT STOP IT
Dont mention one of the best ball handlers of all time in steve nash in the same sentence Shame on you!
Its not just about how many tos its about how many assist you dish out at the same time.
To justify that 4.68 turnover rate you better dish out about 15+ assist per game.

This is not up for debate, he is a bad ballhandler, its as simple as that. Anyone who has played basketball can see that.

As you see on the second video its just not his bad pass selection its the dribble and bad ball protection as well. That is the definition of a bad ballhandler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po8XaSSJvtQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCfJztbCOiY&feature=related

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I'm pulling for him. I disagree with the OP, I think Jeremy Lin's 18 pts, 8 assists, and 4 boards as a starting PG is above average among NBA starting PG's.

I do have a hard time thinking he'll be able to sustain that production over the course of an entire season, especially without many other proven shot creators on Houston's roster. They're going to be relying heavily on Lin at times, especially if Martin goes down, and while there is a ton of potential on Houston's roster, I'd be surprised if Lin was shooting over 44% next season from the field.

Then, you look at Darren Collison, a guy who average 18 and 9 as a rookie, shooting much better. Ty Lawson, a guy who after the All-Star break averaged 17 and 7, and shot 50% from the field. Those guys are likely his peers, while guys like Paul, Parker, Westbrook are all head and shoulders above.

Like I said, I'm pulling for him, but I don't think an All-Star birth is in the cards.

Well if he starts on that rockets team i dont know if he will but i seriously doubt he will put up numbers like that, he clearly is not a point due to his terrible ballhandling however it turns out there is no way he should be playing in  the allstar game. There is probably 10-15 guys i would pick ahead of him, hes so overrated.

Jeremy Lin isn't a terrible ball handler. He passed for an assist roughly as often as Deron Williams did, he turned the ball over roughly as often as Steve Nash. Jeremy Lin is best suited as a ball-dominant scorer, but its not like he can't pass.

And the dude was basically a rookie, thrown into the fire with very little preamble. Its a pretty fantastic run he just had, and there is no reason to think the 24 year old isn't going to continue to get better.

WHAT? He si a horrible ball handler 117 tos in 25 games r u kiddin me? thats like 4.68 per game just STOP IT STOP IT
Dont mention one of the best ball handlers of all time in steve nash in the same sentence Shame on you!

That number is misleading. Jeremy Lin is a bit turnover prone. But he also was 5th among PG's on the year (so including his 10 games on the pine) for Usage rate.

That means that among point guards, only 4 guys average more possessions per 40 minutes (a possession is when Lin would personally make a play end in a FGA, turnover, or assist). I'd think that number goes even higher if you only considered his stats while he was starting.

Because he has the ball so much in his hands, his sheer volume of turnovers seems high.

I'm not saying that Jeremy Lin takes care of the ball like Chris Paul does, but his turnover ratio is pretty much identical to Steve Nash's last season. Steve Nash, coincidentally, played most of his minutes next to a crappy dysfunctional supporting cast as well.

This is not up for debate, he is a bad ballhandler, its as simple as that. Anyone who has played basketball can see that.

Personally, I hate when people say this stuff. Especially when it is in fact up for debate. Cuz, we're debating it. Next time its raining, walk outside and say, 'This air is not for precipitation.'

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I'm pulling for him. I disagree with the OP, I think Jeremy Lin's 18 pts, 8 assists, and 4 boards as a starting PG is above average among NBA starting PG's.

I do have a hard time thinking he'll be able to sustain that production over the course of an entire season, especially without many other proven shot creators on Houston's roster. They're going to be relying heavily on Lin at times, especially if Martin goes down, and while there is a ton of potential on Houston's roster, I'd be surprised if Lin was shooting over 44% next season from the field.

Then, you look at Darren Collison, a guy who average 18 and 9 as a rookie, shooting much better. Ty Lawson, a guy who after the All-Star break averaged 17 and 7, and shot 50% from the field. Those guys are likely his peers, while guys like Paul, Parker, Westbrook are all head and shoulders above.

Like I said, I'm pulling for him, but I don't think an All-Star birth is in the cards.

Well if he starts on that rockets team i dont know if he will but i seriously doubt he will put up numbers like that, he clearly is not a point due to his terrible ballhandling however it turns out there is no way he should be playing in  the allstar game. There is probably 10-15 guys i would pick ahead of him, hes so overrated.

Jeremy Lin isn't a terrible ball handler. He passed for an assist roughly as often as Deron Williams did, he turned the ball over roughly as often as Steve Nash. Jeremy Lin is best suited as a ball-dominant scorer, but its not like he can't pass.

And the dude was basically a rookie, thrown into the fire with very little preamble. Its a pretty fantastic run he just had, and there is no reason to think the 24 year old isn't going to continue to get better.

WHAT? He si a horrible ball handler 117 tos in 25 games r u kiddin me? thats like 4.68 per game just STOP IT STOP IT
Dont mention one of the best ball handlers of all time in steve nash in the same sentence Shame on you!

That number is misleading. Jeremy Lin is a bit turnover prone. But he also was 5th among PG's on the year (so including his 10 games on the pine) for Usage rate.

That means that among point guards, only 4 guys average more possessions per 40 minutes (a possession is when Lin would personally make a play end in a FGA, turnover, or assist). I'd think that number goes even higher if you only considered his stats while he was starting.

Because he has the ball so much in his hands, his sheer volume of turnovers seems high.

I'm not saying that Jeremy Lin takes care of the ball like Chris Paul does, but his turnover ratio is pretty much identical to Steve Nash's last season. Steve Nash, coincidentally, played most of his minutes next to a crappy dysfunctional supporting cast as well.

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maybe you need to look at the ast/to ratio

Its not just about how many tos its about how many assist you dish out at the same time.
To justify that 4.68 turnover rate you better dish out about 15+ assist per game.

This is not up for debate, he is a bad ballhandler, its as simple as that. Anyone who has played basketball can see that.

As you see on the second video its just not his bad pass selection its the dribble and bad ball protection as well. That is the definition of a bad ballhandler.

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I voted yes. 18 & 7 will get him in. We've seen only glimpses of Lin's potential. If he can cutback on TO (I believe he will) he has a shot at making the team.

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I voted yes. 18&7 will get him in. We've seen only glimpses of Lin's potential. If he can cutback on TO (I believe he will) he has a shot at making the team.

Well someones about to get robbed if yhou are correct

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I'm pulling for him. I disagree with the OP, I think Jeremy Lin's 18 pts, 8 assists, and 4 boards as a starting PG is above average among NBA starting PG's.

I do have a hard time thinking he'll be able to sustain that production over the course of an entire season, especially without many other proven shot creators on Houston's roster. They're going to be relying heavily on Lin at times, especially if Martin goes down, and while there is a ton of potential on Houston's roster, I'd be surprised if Lin was shooting over 44% next season from the field.

Then, you look at Darren Collison, a guy who average 18 and 9 as a rookie, shooting much better. Ty Lawson, a guy who after the All-Star break averaged 17 and 7, and shot 50% from the field. Those guys are likely his peers, while guys like Paul, Parker, Westbrook are all head and shoulders above.

Like I said, I'm pulling for him, but I don't think an All-Star birth is in the cards.

Well if he starts on that rockets team i dont know if he will but i seriously doubt he will put up numbers like that, he clearly is not a point due to his terrible ballhandling however it turns out there is no way he should be playing in  the allstar game. There is probably 10-15 guys i would pick ahead of him, hes so overrated.

Jeremy Lin isn't a terrible ball handler. He passed for an assist roughly as often as Deron Williams did, he turned the ball over roughly as often as Steve Nash. Jeremy Lin is best suited as a ball-dominant scorer, but its not like he can't pass.

And the dude was basically a rookie, thrown into the fire with very little preamble. Its a pretty fantastic run he just had, and there is no reason to think the 24 year old isn't going to continue to get better.

WHAT? He si a horrible ball handler 117 tos in 25 games r u kiddin me? thats like 4.68 per game just STOP IT STOP IT
Dont mention one of the best ball handlers of all time in steve nash in the same sentence Shame on you!

That number is misleading. Jeremy Lin is a bit turnover prone. But he also was 5th among PG's on the year (so including his 10 games on the pine) for Usage rate.

That means that among point guards, only 4 guys average more possessions per 40 minutes (a possession is when Lin would personally make a play end in a FGA, turnover, or assist). I'd think that number goes even higher if you only considered his stats while he was starting.

Because he has the ball so much in his hands, his sheer volume of turnovers seems high.

I'm not saying that Jeremy Lin takes care of the ball like Chris Paul does, but his turnover ratio is pretty much identical to Steve Nash's last season. Steve Nash, coincidentally, played most of his minutes next to a crappy dysfunctional supporting cast as well.

I reposted.

maybe you need to look at the ast/to ratio

What you said didn't change anything I said. Maybe you need to look at usage rates, turnover ratio and assist ratio's. Not the AST:TO thing. I mean the stuff here.

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I'm pulling for him. I disagree with the OP, I think Jeremy Lin's 18 pts, 8 assists, and 4 boards as a starting PG is above average among NBA starting PG's.

I do have a hard time thinking he'll be able to sustain that production over the course of an entire season, especially without many other proven shot creators on Houston's roster. They're going to be relying heavily on Lin at times, especially if Martin goes down, and while there is a ton of potential on Houston's roster, I'd be surprised if Lin was shooting over 44% next season from the field.

Then, you look at Darren Collison, a guy who average 18 and 9 as a rookie, shooting much better. Ty Lawson, a guy who after the All-Star break averaged 17 and 7, and shot 50% from the field. Those guys are likely his peers, while guys like Paul, Parker, Westbrook are all head and shoulders above.

Like I said, I'm pulling for him, but I don't think an All-Star birth is in the cards.

Well if he starts on that rockets team i dont know if he will but i seriously doubt he will put up numbers like that, he clearly is not a point due to his terrible ballhandling however it turns out there is no way he should be playing in  the allstar game. There is probably 10-15 guys i would pick ahead of him, hes so overrated.

Jeremy Lin isn't a terrible ball handler. He passed for an assist roughly as often as Deron Williams did, he turned the ball over roughly as often as Steve Nash. Jeremy Lin is best suited as a ball-dominant scorer, but its not like he can't pass.

And the dude was basically a rookie, thrown into the fire with very little preamble. Its a pretty fantastic run he just had, and there is no reason to think the 24 year old isn't going to continue to get better.

WHAT? He si a horrible ball handler 117 tos in 25 games r u kiddin me? thats like 4.68 per game just STOP IT STOP IT
Dont mention one of the best ball handlers of all time in steve nash in the same sentence Shame on you!

That number is misleading. Jeremy Lin is a bit turnover prone. But he also was 5th among PG's on the year (so including his 10 games on the pine) for Usage rate.

That means that among point guards, only 4 guys average more possessions per 40 minutes (a possession is when Lin would personally make a play end in a FGA, turnover, or assist). I'd think that number goes even higher if you only considered his stats while he was starting.

Because he has the ball so much in his hands, his sheer volume of turnovers seems high.

I'm not saying that Jeremy Lin takes care of the ball like Chris Paul does, but his turnover ratio is pretty much identical to Steve Nash's last season. Steve Nash, coincidentally, played most of his minutes next to a crappy dysfunctional supporting cast as well.

I reposted.

maybe you need to look at the ast/to ratio

What you said didn't change anything I said. Maybe you need to look at usage rates, turnover ratio and assist ratio's. Not the AST:TO thing. I mean the stuff here.

Like i said its not up for debate, i know a poor ballhandler when i see one. ive seen kids handle the ball better than this guy.

4.68 tos 8 assists.....

STOP IT!

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But before we get out of hand here with semantics, Jeremy Lin is turnover prone. But he's not a terrible ball-handler. He's a rookie that made rookie mistakes, and will get better.

EDIT: Well he should get better anyways. We'll see how dumb this all looks in February.