Is Jeff Green a better PF than Brandon Bass?

[Fafnir]

Jeff Green is not a good power forward, because he can't defend the position.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09OKC12.HTM#bypos

Can't defend or rebound it.

He creates a solid offensive mismatch, but not a big enough one to make up for the two areas he lacks.

[BostonNative]

A better power forward, I don't think so.  A better overall player, probably.  I think Bass is more suited to play the PF position, he seems more comfortable than Green mixing it up down low.  Green should really stick to an outside-inside slashing game I think.

Mixing it up or getting Mixed up? Bass is so overrated right now I just don't get it. He don't have any low post moves, at times he looked nervous when he got the ball down low. I just don't get it.

Huh?
If anything i thought he lived up to his, "no pass Bass" moniker. And i agree with the good professor that he needs to focus on that outside-inside game, mixed with quick cuts to the basket. TP. Rondo should have a field day with the kid i hope.

I swear as long as a player wears a celtics uniform they can do no wrong in many peoples eyes. I understand the love for the celtics but you got to see passed it. All he did was hit OPEN jumpers. COOL! If your in the NBA you better hit open jumpers. When the D got in his face he just looked lost, he is a bench warmer to me.

[Eja117]

A better power forward, I don't think so.  A better overall player, probably.  I think Bass is more suited to play the PF position, he seems more comfortable than Green mixing it up down low.  Green should really stick to an outside-inside slashing game I think.

Mixing it up or getting Mixed up? Bass is so overrated right now I just don't get it. He don't have any low post moves, at times he looked nervous when he got the ball down low. I just don't get it.

In my defense I would probably overrate Raef Lafrentz at pf if he were following in the footsteps of Glen Davis

[nostar]

I don't like this poll. I think it's more of a situational thing.

Here are the top 10 PFs in the NBA right now (sans KG):

1   Kevin Love
2   Pau Gasol
3   Paul Millsap
4   Serge Ibaka
5   Dirk Nowitzki
6   Josh Smith
7   Al Jefferson
9   Ryan Anderson
10   LaMarcus Aldridge
11   David Lee

Mostly I want Bass covering the post players and Green covering perimeter players. The problem is that there are a lot of teams who play athletic undersized PFs (Carmelo Anthony is a great example) where Green can be a much better defender with his quickness. So yeah I agree Bass is a better post defender and rebounder. I also agree it's a nice luxury to have both Green and Bass to cover the position.

[CelticHooligan3]

A better power forward, I don't think so.  A better overall player, probably.  I think Bass is more suited to play the PF position, he seems more comfortable than Green mixing it up down low.  Green should really stick to an outside-inside slashing game I think.

Mixing it up or getting Mixed up? Bass is so overrated right now I just don't get it. He don't have any low post moves, at times he looked nervous when he got the ball down low. I just don't get it.

Huh?
If anything i thought he lived up to his, "no pass Bass" moniker. And i agree with the good professor that he needs to focus on that outside-inside game, mixed with quick cuts to the basket. TP. Rondo should have a field day with the kid i hope.

I swear as long as a player wears a celtics uniform they can do no wrong in many peoples eyes. I understand the love for the celtics but you got to see passed it. All he did was hit OPEN jumpers. COOL! If your in the NBA you better hit open jumpers. When the D got in his face he just looked lost, he is a bench warmer to me.

Interesting take.

[butterbeanlove]

Harangody was a better PF (defensively) than Green. Seriously. He could body up his man and push him off the block.

Offensively, Green can run the floor better than Bass, so there's that.

Haven't seen him create off the dribble.

Jump shot? Sketchy.

Post moves? All I've seen is that little running half-jump-hook thing.

Bass has fewer skills but seems to have a better grip on what he can do.

[billysan]

Up till this point, Bass has the better numbers on the court as an NBA starting PF. He is undersized and doesnt show a great deal of lift, but he has long arms and is a great mid range jump shooter.

Jeff Green has played PF a little but is so far showing he is better suited to match up with other teams 'power 3's'. Thaddeus Young, Carmelo or Lebron sliding to the PF in a small lineup is the best example I can give. When we go small (ala Posey at the PF) Jeff Green will be fine.

For now, bring Jeff off the bench and he will be the most effective.

[indeedproceed]

Jeff Green is not a good power forward, because he can't defend the position.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09OKC12.HTM#bypos

How many of those games was he with this team?

It makes a difference playing with Rondo, KG, Bradley etc.

How did Bass's numbers look before joining the celts?

We wont really know until they are on an even playing field.

None of those games where when he was with Boston, that's where he was exclusively playing power forward with the Thunder.

These are the games with the Celtics:

http://www.82games.com/1011/10BOS12.HTM#bypos

Even with the better defense, when asked to play powerforward, he's getting outplayed by his opponent. And this isn't starters minutes anymore, these are bench minutes.

Meanwhile, here is Brandon Bass when he was with Orlando:

http://www.82games.com/1011/10ORL14.HTM#bypos

He's outperforming opposing PF's, and as a starter.

Yeah i just don't think that ends the argument and settles everything.

I think we will get a much better idea if they are both playing similar minutes at PF this year.

Otherwise the Green sample is tiny and doesn't factor in things like how he joined a brand new team with a new system, minutes, players, coaches, city etc.

I don't know who is better at PF. I think Bass should start  because I like Green backing up Pierce but I think I don't think it's crazy to think that Green could possibly end up being more effective than Bass at the PF spot this year. Of course everyone is down on green at the moment and high on bass.

Well, in the interest of beating a dead horse, the sample size isn't small.

Jeff Green has years, multiple as a starting PF to draw from, and Bass has years, multiple, as a starting PF. They both point to the same conclusion; Jeff Green is a liability defensively and as a rebounder as a PF, Bass is not.

The counter argument is that Green will get a KG Bump defensively, but that doesn't address his rebounding problems, and even without the rebounding problems, it's a pretty thin argument to begin with. I'd say it's as likely as Diote Christmas winning the starting SG spot by April.

In fact, I see the Christmas argument as more likely.

[kozlodoev]

All he did was hit OPEN jumpers. COOL!

Well, it actually wasn't all he did. But if you'd like to be superficial, COOL! It's a free country, you know.

[fitzhickey]

Yeah, green is inadequate rebounding wise and on the defensive end. Bass is a better PF.

[Bahku]

Bass ... absolutely. Better defender, better rebounder, better attitude, over-achiever. Green is an extremely talented player who, to this point, has not lived up to his potential, and has not given the effort to maximize his abilities. I'd take Bass anytime over Green ... I'm looking for Jeff to prove me wrong this season.

[mgent]

I don't like this poll. I think it's more of a situational thing.

Here are the top 10 PFs in the NBA right now (sans KG):

1   Kevin Love
2   Pau Gasol
3   Paul Millsap
4   Serge Ibaka
5   Dirk Nowitzki
6   Josh Smith
7   Al Jefferson
9   Ryan Anderson
10   LaMarcus Aldridge
11   David Lee

Mostly I want Bass covering the post players and Green covering perimeter players. The problem is that there are a lot of teams who play athletic undersized PFs (Carmelo Anthony is a great example) where Green can be a much better defender with his quickness. So yeah I agree Bass is a better post defender and rebounder. I also agree it's a nice luxury to have both Green and Bass to cover the position.

Do you have KG at 8 behind those guys and then Aldridge at 10?  No Randolph, Griffin, Bosh, Amare?

[moiso]

Harangody was a better PF (defensively) than Green. Seriously. He could body up his man and push him off the block.

Offensively, Green can run the floor better than Bass, so there's that.

Haven't seen him create off the dribble.

Jump shot? Sketchy.

Post moves? All I've seen is that little running half-jump-hook thing.

Bass has fewer skills but seems to have a better grip on what he can do.

TP.  I like how you worded that part about Bass having a better grip on what he can do.

[Cman]

Bass. Heck, I haven't seen Green on a basketball court in a year, so I don't know what to expect.

[blastoidesroidsnoids]

bass is a tank man you should see the workouts he does. Hes not flashy but at times hes our most consistent starter, and he carries us out of scoring droughts plenty of times. I expect him to improve this season but his lack of athleticism is still a problem and isnt going to get any better.
 
Green will have to prove his worth at the 4, he hasn't so far but I wouldn't put it past him. If he can learn to defend bigs and rebound better I would easily give up bass's muscle for greens athleticism and height.  I definitely would prefer him against lebron or even smith.