jeff green vs josh smith

[Chris]

I think you are greatly underselling Smith's value and his ability to be a "third" option. 

Yeah, I think the whole problem with his career has been that he has almost always had to be a second or even first option.  If you have him playing with legit 1 and 2 options (not Joe Johnson, who has been very uneven, and Horford, who is a good defensive player, but not a go-to offensive player), then he is about as good a 3rd option as you will find.

When has he been a 1st or second option?

Id say its pretty clear that he has been behind both Horford and Johnson for a while except last year due to injury.

And ill give you this year him maybe being a 3rd option. After that he would clearly be our 1st/second option anyway. We'd certainly be paying him like a superstar when the guy is a borderline all-star. He's a nice player but 15+ mil a year?

Also isn't this the guy who sat out of one of their playoff games because of some wimpy bruise?

He has been forced to be their first or second option for pretty much their whole career.  When Johnson has been healthy and playing well, he has been able to be their second option (and Crawford might have taken a little pressure off from time to time too), but he just has not been playing on teams with and sort of offensive talent.

How was he the third option this year?  Who was ahead of him?  Johnson was incredibly mediocre and inconsistent from game to game, but I will give him the nod as first option.  But who was ahead of him? 

[Moranis]

I think you are greatly underselling Smith's value and his ability to be a "third" option. 

Yeah, I think the whole problem with his career has been that he has almost always had to be a second or even first option.  If you have him playing with legit 1 and 2 options (not Joe Johnson, who has been very uneven, and Horford, who is a good defensive player, but not a go-to offensive player), then he is about as good a 3rd option as you will find.

I don't think his career has been a problem at all.  The last six years he has basically been good for 16.5 points, 8.5 rebounds, 3.5 steals, 2 blocks, and 1.5 steals.  And sure the years he shoots a bit more (like last year) his efficiency drops, but he isn't unique in that as that happens to most players. 

[Chris]

I think you are greatly underselling Smith's value and his ability to be a "third" option. 

Yeah, I think the whole problem with his career has been that he has almost always had to be a second or even first option.  If you have him playing with legit 1 and 2 options (not Joe Johnson, who has been very uneven, and Horford, who is a good defensive player, but not a go-to offensive player), then he is about as good a 3rd option as you will find.

I don't think his career has been a problem at all.  The last six years he has basically been good for 16.5 points, 8.5 rebounds, 3.5 steals, 2 blocks, and 1.5 steals.  And sure the years he shoots a bit more (like last year) his efficiency drops, but he isn't unique in that as that happens to most players.

What my point was, is that the one major knock on him (and legitimately so) has been about his shot selection, and that he will try to do too much sometimes.  But I think that can be traced back to his teammates.  If you put him with better offensive players, and let him just play his role, then he would be thought of much more highly.

[celticmania]

i'm a huge fan of Smith and Green. They are both good but i think Josh Smith is an all-star player. I've always liked 6'9 combo fowards who are athletic and strong enough defend and play both foward positions. If we trade for Smith i would want to keep Green and we would be very versatile in both foward position and we can give other teams match-up problems in those position. Smith is an excellent defender. I remember when he stayed in front of Rondo, guarding him full-court. I also watched a Hawks v Heat game and he guarded Lebron very very well. Like i said, i'm a big fan of Smith, but i'm also a fan of Green, Bradley, and Sullinger (AKA our future). So i would be reluctant to give them up. I would trade:

Brandon Bass
Fab Melo
Courtney Lee
1st Round Pick

FOR

Josh Smith

It would be a bad move for DA to use Lee in that trade. Lee came here because he wanted to, and took less money to do so. That might not sit well with other players that may be thinking Boston is a place to play.

Sully could be trade bait, he did well in summer league. And no one knows how he will hold up, so if you turn him and Bass into Smith would be pretty decent. I think it takes a third and maybe even 4th team to get it done though.

yeah trading Lee is a bad idea

[Who]

I'd love to see what a top notch head coach could do with Josh Smith.

Maybe it's a bit too late now. Maybe his bad habits are too ingrained. But I think if Josh Smith had gotten a top quality head coach earlier in his career, he'd be so much further along right now.

He's only getting about 70% out of his talent. There is so much more there to give. He has the raw talent to be the best PF in the NBA.

Edit: I really hate that Atlanta didn't fire Mike Woodson earlier and make a push for a top level head coach to work with Josh Smith earlier in his career. So many wasted opportunities.

[celticmania]

I'd love to see what a top notch head coach could do with Josh Smith.

Maybe it's a bit too late now. Maybe his bad habits are too ingrained. But I think if Josh Smith had gotten a top quality head coach earlier in his career, he'd be so much further along right now.

He's only getting about 70% out of his talent. There is so much more there to give. He has the raw talent to be the best PF in the NBA.

Edit: I really hate that Atlanta didn't fire Mike Woodson earlier and make a push for a top level head coach to work with Josh Smith earlier in his career. So many wasted opportunities.

i agree. it seems likes everyone under-estimates Smith. He has so much talent. he can do so many thing. defend, rebound, pass, handle the ball, score. him and Rondo together would be better than Cp3 and Blake on the Clippers. i would love to get Josh Smith.

[LooseCannon]

What my point was, is that the one major knock on him (and legitimately so) has been about his shot selection, and that he will try to do too much sometimes.  But I think that can be traced back to his teammates.  If you put him with better offensive players, and let him just play his role, then he would be thought of much more highly.

I'm really skeptical about his willingness to accept a smaller role on offense.

Smith seems to be the kind of player who relies a lot on his (copious) athleticism.  I don't think it would be smart to acquire him in the hopes that he will learn to utilize his physical tools better.

[blastoidesroidsnoids]

i think he could be our best answer for miami

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I don't know much but with our luck w/ injuries as a team... I would rather have:

G8, AB, Sully, and whoever else we will need for matching money

THAN:

Smith

Okay, let's say we sign other players off the street (with the pennies we will have left)... those players will suck... ABeast is on the rise while Sully hasn't had his shot yet. What if Sully becomes a really good player? We gave up G8, AB, and Sully (who may be good) for one really good player. I wouldn't do it. We would be giving up a couple good players for one who will get paid so much we can't get any players other than vet mins to fill the other voids.

[Galeto]

Small sample size but when Johnson was out this season for a few games, Smith was great as a first option, do-everything player.  In four games, he averaged 25.1 pts on 50 percent shooting, 11.5 rbs and 3 assists.  He led Atlanta to impressive wins against Oklahoma at home, on the road against Indiana and a close loss to Miami on the road.  He was fantastic in those games and great down the stretch.  I'm not saying he would put up those numbers for a full season as the no.1 option, far from it, but it's possible that he's one of those players who needs the ball a lot to maintain a rhythm and perform to his best.

On the Celtics, I'd like to think the best will be brought out of him next to unselfish and great passers, that he'd flush a lot of alley-oop dunks and fix his bad shot selection.  But I'm afraid he would also take a lot of mid-range jumpshots because that's the lovable system we have here.

[celticmania]

Josh Smith is a really good player. He does everything well except his shot-selection. But, i think he would approve his shot-selection on the Celtics. If our starting unit looks like this : Rondo/ Bradley/ Pierce/ Smith/ Garnett, we have a good chance of winning the championship.

[bfrombleacher]

Rondo and J-Smoove need teams and fans that appreciate them.

[LooseCannon]

I see a lot of Rondo-Smith pick-and-pop plays if the Celtics acquire Smith.

[SHAQATTACK]

I hate to give up Sully , Mello and AB ..they are the future and may have ALOT more value in the years to come.

Bass, Green and Lee ,Dooling IMO are dumpable to get Smith.

I still think Joseph might prove to be a sleeper offensively.  He is a cool customer under pressure with a sweet shot.   
Another two years we could have some very nice young players. with Sully & Fab & Joseph., led by Rondo and AB   

[KGs Knee]

I don't know much

I should have stopped reading right there