RAJON RONDO! For those who still dont believe!

[CelticsFan9]

To me, he a solid jumper away from not just being the best PG in the NBA, but an MVP.

[thirstyboots18]

Some people on this forum think Rondo is the best PG in the game and some think that williams, paul, rose and westbrook are better 

Take a look at these numbers from the postseason and then tell me what you think 

2011-12 postseason numbers for Rondo:

EFFICIENCY 25.4 , 3rd behind lebron and durant
only other PG in the top ten was rose but he only played 1 game.

PTS/REB/ASTS 36.0 avg , 6th on the list westbrook was 9th but rondo had a whopping 110 more assists, 19 more rebounds westbrook just chucked the ball and scored more (he is not a point btw he is a 2 playing at the 1)

STEALS Rondo was 3rd, paul had a better avg rondo had 15 more steals (45 steals total, more than anyone in the entire postseason)

Double Ds/Triple Ds Rondo was 1st, Closest was paul at nr 8, Rondo had 14 Double ds!!!!! And 4 Triple ds

So to summarize, Rondo was the most efficient Point guard in the league in the postseason BY FAR, He had the most points+reb+asts at the pg position trailing only westbrook who had just 3 more combined points, Rondo had the most steals, triple doubles and double doubles!

My strong opinion is that Rondo is the best POINT GUARD in the game. The only one that you can put in the conversation is chris paul imo cause he defends, rebounds etc williams, westbrook and rose are not close to rondo when it comes to getting rebounds, steals and defending.

If rose could win a mvp i think rondo can as well, more importantly i think rondo wants a finals mvp more than a reg season don you think? 

Here's the thing.  Many of us (like myself) find the reason why Rondo isn't considered on the same level as Paul, is because he only seems to lift his game in the playoffs.

Now, it is great that he does lift his game in the playoffs, but to be the best PG in the league, he needs to become more consistent, and do it night in and night out IMO. 

And this is where some of the handwringing comes in about building a team around Rondo.  He is great to have for the big games...but unless he really works on the consistency in the games that might not have the bright lights, they might not have so many big games for him to shine in.

How has rondo not been consistent?
He averaged 11.9 points and 11.7 assists over the entire season!

I fail to see how averaging a double double is inconsistent.

And btw, would you seriously go out and straight ball your behind off if you were playing teams like the bobcats and cavs? Dont think so.....

And before you answer that question, consider whether you have followed the blog from a computer at work instead of committing 100% of your effort to your job.   

[flyofchange]

Some people on this forum think Rondo is the best PG in the game and some think that williams, paul, rose and westbrook are better 

Take a look at these numbers from the postseason and then tell me what you think 

2011-12 postseason numbers for Rondo:

EFFICIENCY 25.4 , 3rd behind lebron and durant
only other PG in the top ten was rose but he only played 1 game.

PTS/REB/ASTS 36.0 avg , 6th on the list westbrook was 9th but rondo had a whopping 110 more assists, 19 more rebounds westbrook just chucked the ball and scored more (he is not a point btw he is a 2 playing at the 1)

STEALS Rondo was 3rd, paul had a better avg rondo had 15 more steals (45 steals total, more than anyone in the entire postseason)

Double Ds/Triple Ds Rondo was 1st, Closest was paul at nr 8, Rondo had 14 Double ds!!!!! And 4 Triple ds

So to summarize, Rondo was the most efficient Point guard in the league in the postseason BY FAR, He had the most points+reb+asts at the pg position trailing only westbrook who had just 3 more combined points, Rondo had the most steals, triple doubles and double doubles!

My strong opinion is that Rondo is the best POINT GUARD in the game. The only one that you can put in the conversation is chris paul imo cause he defends, rebounds etc williams, westbrook and rose are not close to rondo when it comes to getting rebounds, steals and defending.

If rose could win a mvp i think rondo can as well, more importantly i think rondo wants a finals mvp more than a reg season don you think? 

Here's the thing.  Many of us (like myself) find the reason why Rondo isn't considered on the same level as Paul, is because he only seems to lift his game in the playoffs.

Now, it is great that he does lift his game in the playoffs, but to be the best PG in the league, he needs to become more consistent, and do it night in and night out IMO. 

And this is where some of the handwringing comes in about building a team around Rondo.  He is great to have for the big games...but unless he really works on the consistency in the games that might not have the bright lights, they might not have so many big games for him to shine in.

How has rondo not been consistent?
He averaged 11.9 points and 11.7 assists over the entire season!

I fail to see how averaging a double double is inconsistent.

And btw, would you seriously go out and straight ball your behind off if you were playing teams like the bobcats and cavs? Dont think so.....

And Chris Paul averaged 18.8 points and 9.8 assists during the regular season.

Rondo's numbers always jump considerably in the playoffs.  Paul's generally don't.

That is the difference.  Rondo raises himself to Paul's level, or maybe even slightly above (thats debatable) in the playoffs...but Paul stays a lot closer to that level all season long.

Thats wrong, he actually averaged 19.8 not 18.8 points and 9.1 not 9.8 assists.

You fail to mention that paul shoots 4 more shots per game than rondo and he also gets 3 assists less than rondo so thats over 300 more shots more and 240 less asists.... i cant see how paul is better..........

and btw rondos post season level vs paul is NOT debatable, it was ALOT better. If you cant admit that you didnt watch all the games in the postseason.

This is really simple just look at ALL the numbers and compare, not just ppg dude.

[CelticG1]

Some people on this forum think Rondo is the best PG in the game and some think that williams, paul, rose and westbrook are better 

Take a look at these numbers from the postseason and then tell me what you think 

2011-12 postseason numbers for Rondo:

EFFICIENCY 25.4 , 3rd behind lebron and durant
only other PG in the top ten was rose but he only played 1 game.

PTS/REB/ASTS 36.0 avg , 6th on the list westbrook was 9th but rondo had a whopping 110 more assists, 19 more rebounds westbrook just chucked the ball and scored more (he is not a point btw he is a 2 playing at the 1)

STEALS Rondo was 3rd, paul had a better avg rondo had 15 more steals (45 steals total, more than anyone in the entire postseason)

Double Ds/Triple Ds Rondo was 1st, Closest was paul at nr 8, Rondo had 14 Double ds!!!!! And 4 Triple ds

So to summarize, Rondo was the most efficient Point guard in the league in the postseason BY FAR, He had the most points+reb+asts at the pg position trailing only westbrook who had just 3 more combined points, Rondo had the most steals, triple doubles and double doubles!

My strong opinion is that Rondo is the best POINT GUARD in the game. The only one that you can put in the conversation is chris paul imo cause he defends, rebounds etc williams, westbrook and rose are not close to rondo when it comes to getting rebounds, steals and defending.

If rose could win a mvp i think rondo can as well, more importantly i think rondo wants a finals mvp more than a reg season don you think? 

Here's the thing.  Many of us (like myself) find the reason why Rondo isn't considered on the same level as Paul, is because he only seems to lift his game in the playoffs.

Now, it is great that he does lift his game in the playoffs, but to be the best PG in the league, he needs to become more consistent, and do it night in and night out IMO. 

And this is where some of the handwringing comes in about building a team around Rondo.  He is great to have for the big games...but unless he really works on the consistency in the games that might not have the bright lights, they might not have so many big games for him to shine in.

I know what you are saying a little about consistency but I would say Rondo was pretty darn consistent last year.

What do people define as consistent?

How is Chris Paul more consistent than Rondo? I see Paul have dud games all the time playoffs and regular season but its never called into question.

I think it boils down to PPG when talking about consistency with people. Almost no matter what if Rondo scores 4-6 points in a game it's looked down on. "He's not involved" "not aggressive". Chris Paul having a 12-14 point game is pretty much the equivalent to thayebut people will still consider it relatively consistent because "he still scored 12-14 points"

Im just trying to figure out how people come to the conclusion of Paul being by far a more consistent player. Where is this notion coming from?

[Chris]

So, you guys wouldn't be happier if Rondo played the same way he plays in the postseason, during the regular season?

Or even something close?

And its not just about stats, it is clear when you watch him, that he is playing at a different speed in the playoffs (or in primetime matchups during the regular season), than he is in other games.

Don't get me wrong, I love Rondo, and I would always take a guy who shows up for the big games as big as he does over someone who is just mediocre all the time.  But, to me, it is just frustrating to watch how dominating he can be when he turns it on, and then compare it to how inconsistent he is when the lights are turned down a little.

As for the Chris Paul comparisons, I am just going to drop that, because I know that is an argument that will never be resolved on this site. 

The important thing to me is that Rondo could be more consistent than he is.  And until he does that, I will continue to want more from him.

[Celtics18]

So, you guys wouldn't be happier if Rondo played the same way he plays in the postseason, during the regular season?

Or even something close?

And its not just about stats, it is clear when you watch him, that he is playing at a different speed in the playoffs (or in primetime matchups during the regular season), than he is in other games.

Don't get me wrong, I love Rondo, and I would always take a guy who shows up for the big games as big as he does over someone who is just mediocre all the time.  But, to me, it is just frustrating to watch how dominating he can be when he turns it on, and then compare it to how inconsistent he is when the lights are turned down a little.

As for the Chris Paul comparisons, I am just going to drop that, because I know that is an argument that will never be resolved on this site. 

The important thing to me is that Rondo could be more consistent than he is.  And until he does that, I will continue to want more from him.

You know what, I don't actually mind Rondo "coasting" a little bit during the regular season.  If he can be the set up man, get other guys more involved, still lead the team to a winning season and good playoff position, then I'm fine with him saving his body some for the post-season and a long, durable career with lots successful post-seasons in it. 

If that hurts his MVP and all NBA votes, but helps his team's overall success in the long run, then Rondo saving himself a little bit during the regular season is actually extremely unselfish.

Derrick Rose goes all out most of the time and he already has an MVP award to show for it.  But, how many titles does he have, or will he get, for the city of Chicago?

[lightspeed5]

Some people on this forum think Rondo is the best PG in the game and some think that williams, paul, rose and westbrook are better 

Take a look at these numbers from the postseason and then tell me what you think 

2011-12 postseason numbers for Rondo:

EFFICIENCY 25.4 , 3rd behind lebron and durant
only other PG in the top ten was rose but he only played 1 game.

PTS/REB/ASTS 36.0 avg , 6th on the list westbrook was 9th but rondo had a whopping 110 more assists, 19 more rebounds westbrook just chucked the ball and scored more (he is not a point btw he is a 2 playing at the 1)

STEALS Rondo was 3rd, paul had a better avg rondo had 15 more steals (45 steals total, more than anyone in the entire postseason)

Double Ds/Triple Ds Rondo was 1st, Closest was paul at nr 8, Rondo had 14 Double ds!!!!! And 4 Triple ds

So to summarize, Rondo was the most efficient Point guard in the league in the postseason BY FAR, He had the most points+reb+asts at the pg position trailing only westbrook who had just 3 more combined points, Rondo had the most steals, triple doubles and double doubles!

My strong opinion is that Rondo is the best POINT GUARD in the game. The only one that you can put in the conversation is chris paul imo cause he defends, rebounds etc williams, westbrook and rose are not close to rondo when it comes to getting rebounds, steals and defending.

If rose could win a mvp i think rondo can as well, more importantly i think rondo wants a finals mvp more than a reg season don you think? 

Here's the thing.  Many of us (like myself) find the reason why Rondo isn't considered on the same level as Paul, is because he only seems to lift his game in the playoffs.

Now, it is great that he does lift his game in the playoffs, but to be the best PG in the league, he needs to become more consistent, and do it night in and night out IMO. 

And this is where some of the handwringing comes in about building a team around Rondo.  He is great to have for the big games...but unless he really works on the consistency in the games that might not have the bright lights, they might not have so many big games for him to shine in.

How has rondo not been consistent?
He averaged 11.9 points and 11.7 assists over the entire season!

I fail to see how averaging a double double is inconsistent.

And btw, would you seriously go out and straight ball your behind off if you were playing teams like the bobcats and cavs? Dont think so.....

And Chris Paul averaged 18.8 points and 9.8 assists during the regular season.

Rondo's numbers always jump considerably in the playoffs.  Paul's generally don't.

That is the difference.  Rondo raises himself to Paul's level, or maybe even slightly above (thats debatable) in the playoffs...but Paul stays a lot closer to that level all season long.

rondo's numbers go above cp3's, and rondo isnt even the main option on his team. cp3 = option 1 or 2. rondo = option 5. and he still scores more than cp3 in the playoffs.

thats why cp3 always gets eliminated in the 1st round. because he sucks.

[Celtic#9]

Some people on this forum think Rondo is the best PG in the game and some think that williams, paul, rose and westbrook are better 

Take a look at these numbers from the postseason and then tell me what you think 

2011-12 postseason numbers for Rondo:

EFFICIENCY 25.4 , 3rd behind lebron and durant
only other PG in the top ten was rose but he only played 1 game.

PTS/REB/ASTS 36.0 avg , 6th on the list westbrook was 9th but rondo had a whopping 110 more assists, 19 more rebounds westbrook just chucked the ball and scored more (he is not a point btw he is a 2 playing at the 1)

STEALS Rondo was 3rd, paul had a better avg rondo had 15 more steals (45 steals total, more than anyone in the entire postseason)

Double Ds/Triple Ds Rondo was 1st, Closest was paul at nr 8, Rondo had 14 Double ds!!!!! And 4 Triple ds

So to summarize, Rondo was the most efficient Point guard in the league in the postseason BY FAR, He had the most points+reb+asts at the pg position trailing only westbrook who had just 3 more combined points, Rondo had the most steals, triple doubles and double doubles!

My strong opinion is that Rondo is the best POINT GUARD in the game. The only one that you can put in the conversation is chris paul imo cause he defends, rebounds etc williams, westbrook and rose are not close to rondo when it comes to getting rebounds, steals and defending.

If rose could win a mvp i think rondo can as well, more importantly i think rondo wants a finals mvp more than a reg season don you think? 

Here's the thing.  Many of us (like myself) find the reason why Rondo isn't considered on the same level as Paul, is because he only seems to lift his game in the playoffs.

Now, it is great that he does lift his game in the playoffs, but to be the best PG in the league, he needs to become more consistent, and do it night in and night out IMO. 

And this is where some of the handwringing comes in about building a team around Rondo.  He is great to have for the big games...but unless he really works on the consistency in the games that might not have the bright lights, they might not have so many big games for him to shine in.

How has rondo not been consistent?
He averaged 11.9 points and 11.7 assists over the entire season!

I fail to see how averaging a double double is inconsistent.

And btw, would you seriously go out and straight ball your behind off if you were playing teams like the bobcats and cavs? Dont think so.....

And Chris Paul averaged 18.8 points and 9.8 assists during the regular season.

Rondo's numbers always jump considerably in the playoffs.  Paul's generally don't.

That is the difference.  Rondo raises himself to Paul's level, or maybe even slightly above (thats debatable) in the playoffs...but Paul stays a lot closer to that level all season long.

rondo's numbers go above cp3's, and rondo isnt even the main option on his team. cp3 = option 1 or 2. rondo = option 5. and he still scores more than cp3 in the playoffs.

thats why cp3 always gets eliminated in the 1st round. because he sucks.

Wait, let me get this straight. Because Paul is a #2 option his contribution should be hindered? He is a better offensive scorer... Of course he should average more shots. CP3 gets eliminated in the 1st round because the rest of his team sucks. Other than this year he has had no team around him. And this year they made it to the 2nd round.

The fact of the matter is Rondo plays better than him in the playoffs. Rondo can carry this team in the playoffs. CP3 however is more consistent and carry them night in night out, unlike Rondo does.

[dark_lord]

the thing with rondo....he will never get the recognition he deserves until he plays consistently.  this is not just game to game, but quarter to quarter in a game. he is an all star, but he wont be a superstar until he plays consistently imo

[lightspeed5]

rondos intangibles, and the fact that he doenst flop and whine to the ref, makes him 100 times more likable.

[Chris]

The fact of the matter is Rondo plays better than him in the playoffs. Rondo can carry this team in the playoffs. CP3 however is more consistent and carry them night in night out, unlike Rondo does.

This.  Although I can't help but add that prime Chris Paul was every bit as good, or better than Rondo in the playoffs.  But since the knee injury, he just hasn't had the explosiveness to carry his team like he used to be able to. 

[lightspeed5]

the thing with rondo....he will never get the recognition he deserves until he plays consistently.  this is not just game to game, but quarter to quarter in a game. he is an all star, but he wont be a superstar until he plays consistently imo

he does play consistently. the association hates rondo and doesnt promote him. the association only promotes jumpshooters and floppers.

[CelticG1]

So, you guys wouldn't be happier if Rondo played the same way he plays in the postseason, during the regular season?

Or even something close?

And its not just about stats, it is clear when you watch him, that he is playing at a different speed in the playoffs (or in primetime matchups during the regular season), than he is in other games.

Don't get me wrong, I love Rondo, and I would always take a guy who shows up for the big games as big as he does over someone who is just mediocre all the time.  But, to me, it is just frustrating to watch how dominating he can be when he turns it on, and then compare it to how inconsistent he is when the lights are turned down a little.

As for the Chris Paul comparisons, I am just going to drop that, because I know that is an argument that will never be resolved on this site. 

The important thing to me is that Rondo could be more consistent than he is.  And until he does that, I will continue to want more from him.

Its not just about stats but that seems to always be the argument when comparing Rondo with others, not to mention pretty meaningless stats that don't take into account so many factors. People look at some of these stats and just draw their own conclusions on that player. Also I don't see why rondo scoring 2 or 3 more baskets a game or essentially not passing up a couple open lay ups would make him that much more consistent.

As far as him in prime time/playoffs for the last few seasons he has probably played as a top 3 player in the playoffs give or take. He's been a monster. That's hard for someone to do consistently and as Cedric Maxwell has said before the only player he ever played with who could bring it night in and night out at 100% was bird. Nowadays guys like Lebron and KG (especially earlier in career) bring it every night but i don't think its not something easy to do or something many guys do.

Im wondering what guys are consistent and bring it every night? Paul? Williams? Howard? Westbrook? Melo? We focus on Rondo cause he's on our team but I think a lot more players are probably along the lines of Rondo consistency wise than above him.

Finally, I know people probably wont agree with me, but im fine with "cautious" Rondo during the reg season a lot of times. He doesn't need to bull his way to the rim all the time or try and draw contact. I think he plays smart in that sense a lot. He's not jumping out pf the gym trying to throw down a dunk in a meaningless possession like Rose or something.

Unless Rondo regresses from last year I think he's in a pretty good spot for this year. He has become more consistent and has improved every year for the past few years. I think a big part of that is that the coaches have put more on him and have asked more of him every year. I see that continuing this year as well and I only see more improvements coming

[Chris]

rondos intangibles, and the fact that he doenst flop and whine to the ref, makes him 100 times more likable.

You are opening up a real can of worms when you start talking about Rondo's "intangibles".  There are way too many negative stories out there about him in the lockerroom to build a strong case from that angle IMO.

the thing with rondo....he will never get the recognition he deserves until he plays consistently.  this is not just game to game, but quarter to quarter in a game. he is an all star, but he wont be a superstar until he plays consistently imo

he does play consistently. the association hates rondo and doesnt promote him. the association only promotes jumpshooters and floppers.

Rondo is one of the most heavily promoted players in the league not named Lebron or Kobe, and has been in the top 10 in jersey sales for a couple years now, I believe.

[lightspeed5]

everyone on the celtics love rondo except old man ray who couldnt give it up to be a team player.