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Who was more influential: Red Auerbach or Johnny Pesky?

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More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« on: August 14, 2012, 12:40:56 PM »

Offline AB_Celtic

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Heard this mentioned on Dennis and Callahan this morning. Who did more for their respective organization and for the community between Celtics legend Red Auerbach and Red Sox Legend Johnny Pesky?

Re: More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2012, 12:42:18 PM »

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Johnny who?
Back to wanting Joe fired.

Re: More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2012, 12:47:23 PM »

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I guess I'd like to hear the argument for Pesky, because I don't see this as even a debate.

Red built the Celtics.  He won 16 titles here, and he both constructed and coached most of those title teams.

Pesky has a foul pole named after him.  He was a good player and a faithful member of the Sox, but he was no Red Auerbach.


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Re: More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2012, 12:49:36 PM »

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Beyond longevity, how the heck can you make an argument for Pesky here?


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Re: More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2012, 12:52:02 PM »

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Um, what?

Re: More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2012, 12:52:29 PM »

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It's funny, the guys on D&C were in almost unanimous agreement that although Auerbach did build the Celtics, Pesky devoted nearly every minute of his life during a 60-year period to the Red Sox.

They also said, interestingly, that Pesky was exactly who Joe Paterno wanted to be viewed as. A wise, loveable old man who mentored from one generation to the next.

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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2012, 12:52:49 PM »

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Beyond longevity, how the heck can you make an argument for Pesky here?

Big fan of stormproof windows?

Re: More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2012, 12:57:15 PM »

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It's funny, the guys on D&C were in almost unanimous agreement that although Auerbach did build the Celtics, Pesky devoted nearly every minute of his life during a 60-year period to the Red Sox.

They also said, interestingly, that Pesky was exactly who Joe Paterno wanted to be viewed as. A wise, loveable old man who mentored from one generation to the next.

God they are dumb.

Re: More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2012, 12:59:21 PM »

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I'm sorry, I know that sounds like a not well thought out response. But I was on my fifteenth draft of blasting them, and I figured summing it up that way was the best.

Red Auerbach built a franchise, popularized a sport, and did an admirable job combating race in sports in a tough town to do so.

Johnny Pesky really liked the Red Sox.

Re: More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2012, 01:02:48 PM »

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Other than a "special instructor/honorary whatever" role, Pesky brought home zero championships. 

From all accounts a great guy and certainly beloved but let's not kid ourselves here. 

Pesky & Auerbach aren't exactly on the same level.


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Re: More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2012, 01:04:34 PM »

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It's funny, the guys on D&C were in almost unanimous agreement that although Auerbach did build the Celtics, Pesky devoted nearly every minute of his life during a 60-year period to the Red Sox.

They also said, interestingly, that Pesky was exactly who Joe Paterno wanted to be viewed as. A wise, loveable old man who mentored from one generation to the next.

That kind of moronic sports take is what they have to resort to now for "shock" ratings to try to pry listeners away from 98.5.

D&C have been awful for years, they had been coasting on the "we are so much smarter than our listeners, its ridiculous. You don't like our out dated format and politicizing every story? tough cookies, we're all you got in the mornings." and then got hammered when 98.5 came along and went the "how bout we actually treat callers like a part of the show and make people laugh in the morning?"

D & C's awfulness aside, I don't see how one player who, as much as I respect him, had a above average career (albit cut short by the war, and his service in that conflict is worth 10 times his contribution to the redsox, god bless him for it.) and a few unsuccessful coaching stints do not compare to a man who built a team that would win multiple titles in across decades, broke the color barrier in the NBA, and mentored the next generation in his waning years.

No disrespect intended to pesky, but red ment far more than he did and accomplished more as well.
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Re: More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2012, 01:08:53 PM »

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If you really want to compare Pesky to a Boston sports personality, a more apt person might be someone like Gino Cappeletti (who, coincidentally, just retired);

Been in & around their respective organization for years, pretty beloved, had several roles with their clubs.


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Re: More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2012, 01:11:45 PM »

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Point taken, guys. Just thought I'd share.

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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2012, 02:35:18 PM »

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If D and C spent more than ten seconds debating this, they're even more idiotic than I thought they were. 

Re: More influential: Auerbach or Pesky?
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2012, 02:57:01 PM »

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Point taken, guys. Just thought I'd share.
but the question is why share it?

it's a foolish comment by a hack radio show.

just curious, I can't help but notice the how many new forum topics have you as the creator in the past couple of months.  Are you trying to set the record for most threads created?