CB Draft Playoff Matchup - (3)Hawks vs (6)Pacers

[Kane3387]

This series will be won by tempo. 


Hawks do not have a guy that can stop Rondo from controlling the Tempo.


Kobe a few years ago, maybe. 



My team has more speed, more depth, and a better defense.  Kobe will be facing multiple defenders.  (Bradley, Batum, Pietrus, Bell, Hinrich) 



Hawks was a title contender 3 years ago.  Now, to old. 


And unlike some of the older team we see in the NBA, there is not energy star out there to push this team.  No Rondo.  No Parker. 





Meanwhile, every years, Rondo takes his game to a new level in the playoffs.  We saw what he did last year, imagine him this year with an old Kobe trying to stay in front of him.

Rondo is a whole different beast come Playoffs The guy scored 44 points on the Heat!

Ronaldo is right. Rondo is one of the few players who gets better consistently in the playoffs. He is special in that regard. Hard for me to see Kobe and Duncan losing to a team where Rondo is the only All-Star caliber player though.

[ronaldo943]

I really dont know who to vote for as i like both teams.

[wdleehi]

Also, the Pacers really don't have an answer for my front court, even at Duncans old age he has outplayed Monroe and I expect that pattern to continue in Monroe's first playoff series.

And West has taken Scola to the woodshed in 15 career matchups to the tune of

22.5 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 2.1 apg and .481 fg %

vs

11.3 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 1.5 apg and .404 fg%

With wests team winning 9 out of the 15 matchups

How many times did they match up last year?   How many of those wins were Chris Paul? 



The depth of my big men are going to wear you out.  You need West and Duncan to play huge minutes in the playoffs.


You already plan on having him play more minutes a game then Duncan played last year. 



The pace and depth is going to be to much for the old, thin team.

Dalembert is a better player than anything you have coming off the bench for a big man and yes I have Duncan playing 2 more minutes per game that he did this year in the playoffs but that was after resting him during the regular season.  It is also less mpg than he played in the Thunder series.


Duncan barely had to play in the first two series because the went 8-0

And like I said, West will takscola to the woodshead, it really is a poor matchup for both of WDLEEHI's big men

Look at last years numbers against each other, complete wash.


Except now Scola has Rondo passing to him now, West, same PG. 


Dalembert, one of the most overrated C of his generation.  Against his Bucks, Monroe averaged 20 and 12 last season.  (4 games)

[Rondo2287]

This series will be won by tempo. 


Hawks do not have a guy that can stop Rondo from controlling the Tempo.


Kobe a few years ago, maybe. 



My team has more speed, more depth, and a better defense.  Kobe will be facing multiple defenders.  (Bradley, Batum, Pietrus, Bell, Hinrich) 



Hawks was a title contender 3 years ago.  Now, to old. 


And unlike some of the older team we see in the NBA, there is not energy star out there to push this team.  No Rondo.  No Parker. 





Meanwhile, every years, Rondo takes his game to a new level in the playoffs.  We saw what he did last year, imagine him this year with an old Kobe trying to stay in front of him.

Rondo is a whole different beast come Playoffs The guy scored 44 points on the Heat!

Ronaldo is right. Rondo is one of the few players who gets better consistently in the playoffs. He is special in that regard. Hard for me to see Kobe and Duncan losing to a team where Rondo is the only All-Star caliber player though.

And Like I said before, rondo put up those big numbers while on a team with players who were much better shooters and going up against much inferior interior players like Hawes, Turiaf and Jason Collins.

KG opened things up greatly for Rondo by having one of the best playoff performances from a big man we have seen around here in a long time.  There isnt anybody on the pacers capable of doing the same thing.

[wdleehi]

The Pacers are a promising young team but right now the shooting ability has made them incredibly flawed in my opinion.  You take probably the worst jump shooting backcourt in the playoffs and match it up with a subpar shooting PF/C tandem with the only bonafied floor stretcher being batum who shot 39%.

They really are limiting rondos ability to be creative and effective by giving him very little space to work with.

They shoot well enough when they have to be in the half court.  For most the time, they will be running while the former superstars are sucking wind. 

[Rondo2287]

Also, the Pacers really don't have an answer for my front court, even at Duncans old age he has outplayed Monroe and I expect that pattern to continue in Monroe's first playoff series.

And West has taken Scola to the woodshed in 15 career matchups to the tune of

22.5 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 2.1 apg and .481 fg %

vs

11.3 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 1.5 apg and .404 fg%

With wests team winning 9 out of the 15 matchups

How many times did they match up last year?   How many of those wins were Chris Paul? 



The depth of my big men are going to wear you out.  You need West and Duncan to play huge minutes in the playoffs.


You already plan on having him play more minutes a game then Duncan played last year. 



The pace and depth is going to be to much for the old, thin team.

Dalembert is a better player than anything you have coming off the bench for a big man and yes I have Duncan playing 2 more minutes per game that he did this year in the playoffs but that was after resting him during the regular season.  It is also less mpg than he played in the Thunder series.


Duncan barely had to play in the first two series because the went 8-0

And like I said, West will takscola to the woodshead, it really is a poor matchup for both of WDLEEHI's big men

Look at last years numbers against each other, complete wash.


Except now Scola has Rondo passing to him now, West, same PG. 


Dalembert, one of the most overrated C of his generation.  Against his Bucks, Monroe averaged 20 and 12 last season.  (4 games)

Haha Dalembert didnt play for the bucks last year.  He was traded to the bucks this offseason.  Look at the propoganda WDLEEHI would love to have you believe

[Fafnir]

Haha Dalembert didnt play for the bucks last year.  He was traded to the bucks this offseason.  Look at the propoganda WDLEEHI would love to have you believe

So you're saying his 4 and 11 versus Houston in a single game is what we should look at?

[Rondo2287]

Haha Dalembert didnt play for the bucks last year.  He was traded to the bucks this offseason.  Look at the propoganda WDLEEHI would love to have you believe

So you're saying his 4 and 11 versus Houston in a single game is what we should look at?

No, I said that Duncan has outplayed Monroe in their previous matchups and I expect that to continue given that this Monroes first venture into the playoffs.

I also said that I believe Dalembert is better than any big that the Pacers have on the bench.

Though it also doesnt hurt that dalembert has played monroe even in their matchups.  Just another feather in the hawks cap i suppose

[wdleehi]

Also, the Pacers really don't have an answer for my front court, even at Duncans old age he has outplayed Monroe and I expect that pattern to continue in Monroe's first playoff series.

And West has taken Scola to the woodshed in 15 career matchups to the tune of

22.5 ppg, 9.4 rpg, 2.1 apg and .481 fg %

vs

11.3 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 1.5 apg and .404 fg%

With wests team winning 9 out of the 15 matchups

How many times did they match up last year?   How many of those wins were Chris Paul? 



The depth of my big men are going to wear you out.  You need West and Duncan to play huge minutes in the playoffs.


You already plan on having him play more minutes a game then Duncan played last year. 



The pace and depth is going to be to much for the old, thin team.

Dalembert is a better player than anything you have coming off the bench for a big man and yes I have Duncan playing 2 more minutes per game that he did this year in the playoffs but that was after resting him during the regular season.  It is also less mpg than he played in the Thunder series.


Duncan barely had to play in the first two series because the went 8-0

And like I said, West will takscola to the woodshead, it really is a poor matchup for both of WDLEEHI's big men

Look at last years numbers against each other, complete wash.


Except now Scola has Rondo passing to him now, West, same PG. 


Dalembert, one of the most overrated C of his generation.  Against his Bucks, Monroe averaged 20 and 12 last season.  (4 games)

Haha Dalembert didnt play for the bucks last year.  He was traded to the bucks this offseason.  Look at the propoganda WDLEEHI would love to have you believe

See, so unimportant, people don't even know what team he plays for. 

[Rondo2287]

Also when it comes to pace I think Duncan Kobe and Phil Jackson have been around the block enough times to make sure the game is being played the way they want to play it. 

Meanwhile your team is relying on leadership from a guy who may or may not throw a snapple bottle through a TV if you point out some mistakes he makes. 

#experience matters

[Who]

I think Greg Monroe would prove a very difficult matchup for Tim Duncan. I think Monroe is too quick and too agile for an old Tim Duncan. I'd expect Monroe to get a lot of joy against Duncan as a shot-creator. Especially so with a playmaker of Rondo's caliber setting him up.

I am tempted to call that center matchup neutral ... and I say that as someone who doesn't rate Monroe particularly high.

[Rondo2287]

I think Greg Monroe would prove a very difficult matchup for Tim Duncan. I think Monroe is too quick and too agile for an old Tim Duncan. I'd expect Monroe to get a lot of joy against Duncan as a shot-creator. Especially so with a playmaker of Rondo's caliber setting him up.

I am tempted to call that center matchup neutral ... and I say that as someone who doesn't rate Monroe particularly high.

I can see why you would say that but I still give Duncan the edge.  Especially in the playoffs, we saw how Bradley shrunk in the playoffs this year after playing well to end the season.  Experience will come into play here.

[Fafnir]

I think Greg Monroe would prove a very difficult matchup for Tim Duncan. I think Monroe is too quick and too agile for an old Tim Duncan. I'd expect Monroe to get a lot of joy against Duncan as a shot-creator. Especially so with a playmaker of Rondo's caliber setting him up.

I am tempted to call that center matchup neutral ... and I say that as someone who doesn't rate Monroe particularly high.

I can see why you would say that but I still give Duncan the edge.  Especially in the playoffs, we saw how Bradley shrunk in the playoffs this year after playing well to end the season.  Experience/Shoulder Injuries will come into play here.

Fixed that for you.

Edit: or not, weird formatting I just wanted to underline....

[KCattheStripe]

I think Greg Monroe would prove a very difficult matchup for Tim Duncan. I think Monroe is too quick and too agile for an old Tim Duncan. I'd expect Monroe to get a lot of joy against Duncan as a shot-creator. Especially so with a playmaker of Rondo's caliber setting him up.

I am tempted to call that center matchup neutral ... and I say that as someone who doesn't rate Monroe particularly high.

I can see why you would say that but I still give Duncan the edge.  Especially in the playoffs, we saw how Bradley shrunk in the playoffs this year after playing well to end the season.  Experience/Shoulder Injuries will come into play here.

Fixed that for you.

I was going to add that he had to deal with JJ the 6'7" 2 guard. That being said, I have no idea who should win this series.

[Rondo2287]

I still think the defining area of this series is the inability of the pacers to open up the floor for Rondo to do what he does best.  Rondo needs space to work and probe the defense.  With the poor jump shooters around him my team will be able to play off of him on the perimeter and my bigs will be able to pack it in if he does get by the perimeter defenders. 

Even though Pierce and Ray didnt shoot well in the playoffs because of their injuries the defenders still stayed as close to them as they could because they knew they can still turn it on and make shots.

When you compare the spacing that Ray, Pierce, Bass and KG gave Rondo with the space that Bradley, Batum, Scola and Monroe will provide I think there will be a significant drop off in Rondo's effectiveness.