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Re: How does Orlando rank next year?
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2012, 02:31:03 PM »

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Seeing that Orlando got a 17.8 million trade exception in the Howard trade, I am now a little more hesitant to write them off.  I think it is most likely that they will tank the season, and wait until next summer to use that, after they have added a high lottery pick...but it is not out of the realm of possibility that they attempt to reload on the fly, using the TPE, and some of the other assets they collected, to build a quality team for next year. 

Re: How does Orlando rank next year?
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2012, 03:15:03 PM »

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Seeing that Orlando got a 17.8 million trade exception in the Howard trade, I am now a little more hesitant to write them off.  I think it is most likely that they will tank the season, and wait until next summer to use that, after they have added a high lottery pick...but it is not out of the realm of possibility that they attempt to reload on the fly, using the TPE, and some of the other assets they collected, to build a quality team for next year. 

Question... How long do teams keep their trade exceptions?

Based on the deal they settled on for Howard, I have little faith in the new regime to get creative and retool. They are going to have to get worse, draft no-brainers, and let their awful contracts walk.

They should be a bottom 5-10 team the next 3 seasons. Depending in how the lottery plays out for them, it could be longer.
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Re: How does Orlando rank next year?
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2012, 03:33:33 PM »

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Seeing that Orlando got a 17.8 million trade exception in the Howard trade, I am now a little more hesitant to write them off.  I think it is most likely that they will tank the season, and wait until next summer to use that, after they have added a high lottery pick...but it is not out of the realm of possibility that they attempt to reload on the fly, using the TPE, and some of the other assets they collected, to build a quality team for next year.

I'd be surprised if they use that TE for any other reason than to collect a pick along with a salary dump. 
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Re: How does Orlando rank next year?
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2012, 03:39:04 PM »

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Seeing that Orlando got a 17.8 million trade exception in the Howard trade, I am now a little more hesitant to write them off.  I think it is most likely that they will tank the season, and wait until next summer to use that, after they have added a high lottery pick...but it is not out of the realm of possibility that they attempt to reload on the fly, using the TPE, and some of the other assets they collected, to build a quality team for next year. 

Question... How long do teams keep their trade exceptions?

Based on the deal they settled on for Howard, I have little faith in the new regime to get creative and retool. They are going to have to get worse, draft no-brainers, and let their awful contracts walk.

They should be a bottom 5-10 team the next 3 seasons. Depending in how the lottery plays out for them, it could be longer.

1 year.

And until I heard about this TPE, I would have agreed, however, it was actually a very clever move to get that. 

I agree that they are going to have trouble not being a bottom of the lottery team, but that little, tiny, morsel of creativity gives me hope that perhaps their new GM is smarter than I originally thought.

Re: How does Orlando rank next year?
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2012, 03:40:47 PM »

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Orlando got no where near 17.8 in an exception unless my math is totally wrong

Dwight + Richardson + Clark + Duhon = 30ish million

And they took in over 20 million in salaries (Harrington, Afflalo, McRoberts, Vucevic, Eyenga, and Harkless). 
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2012, 03:49:06 PM »

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Orlando got no where near 17.8 in an exception unless my math is totally wrong

Dwight + Richardson + Clark + Duhon = 30ish million

And they took in over 20 million in salaries (Harrington, Afflalo, McRoberts, Vucevic, Eyenga, and Harkless).

http://www.hoopsworld.com/how-exactly-was-dwight-howard-traded/

Check it out.  Like I said, very creative manipulation of the cap. 

Of course, it doesn't mean they know how to evaluate talent, but it is a step in the right direction for a team that has been terrible at managing the cap since Howard got there.

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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2012, 04:14:40 PM »

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Orlando got no where near 17.8 in an exception unless my math is totally wrong

Dwight + Richardson + Clark + Duhon = 30ish million

And they took in over 20 million in salaries (Harrington, Afflalo, McRoberts, Vucevic, Eyenga, and Harkless).

http://www.hoopsworld.com/how-exactly-was-dwight-howard-traded/

Check it out.  Like I said, very creative manipulation of the cap. 

Of course, it doesn't mean they know how to evaluate talent, but it is a step in the right direction for a team that has been terrible at managing the cap since Howard got there.

To quote the article:

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In exiting Howard, the Orlando executed the following:

■Christian Eyenga and Josh McRoberts via the $4.35 million Anderson TPE, leaving a negligible remainder of $40,920.
■Arron Afflalo and Al Harrington for Jason Richardson, Chris Duhon and Earl Clark.
■Mo Harkless via the Brandon Bass TPE, leaving a remainder of $1,018,040 which expires on December 12
■Nikola Vucevic for Dwight Howard, generating a TPE of $17,816,880 which won’t expire until next August 10, 2013.

Great link, Chris, TP. I love this type of information.  I just thought I'd quote it for ease of reference.

Re: How does Orlando rank next year?
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2012, 04:41:37 PM »

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Seeing that Orlando got a 17.8 million trade exception in the Howard trade, I am now a little more hesitant to write them off.  I think it is most likely that they will tank the season, and wait until next summer to use that, after they have added a high lottery pick...but it is not out of the realm of possibility that they attempt to reload on the fly, using the TPE, and some of the other assets they collected, to build a quality team for next year. 

Question... How long do teams keep their trade exceptions?

Based on the deal they settled on for Howard, I have little faith in the new regime to get creative and retool. They are going to have to get worse, draft no-brainers, and let their awful contracts walk.

They should be a bottom 5-10 team the next 3 seasons. Depending in how the lottery plays out for them, it could be longer.

1 year.

And until I heard about this TPE, I would have agreed, however, it was actually a very clever move to get that. 

I agree that they are going to have trouble not being a bottom of the lottery team, but that little, tiny, morsel of creativity gives me hope that perhaps their new GM is smarter than I originally thought.

But what can they do with it other than take on players that other teams no longer want? They have such few assets to include with their bad contracts to entice a team, that they can only use it to take on overpaid and/or underperforming players.

Orlando did nothing to accelerate the rebuild with this deal, but convincing Howard to invoke the player option last year made the probability of a decent haul unlikely.

I don't know what's going on in Orlando. If it wasn't for lottery luck (Penny, Shaq, Howard), they'd be an absolute joke (as if they aren't already). They threw a ton of money at Hill and McGrady, but we all know how that panned out.

No matter the GM, they always find a way to screw things up.
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Re: How does Orlando rank next year?
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2012, 05:03:31 PM »

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I imagine they'll use the TPE to take on a bad contract in order to pick up another lottery pick.

Re: How does Orlando rank next year?
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2012, 05:10:53 PM »

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They are just a Farm team for the LA Lakers. 

Re: How does Orlando rank next year?
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2012, 08:47:16 AM »

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I imagine they'll use the TPE to take on a bad contract in order to pick up another lottery pick.
Yeah or get a player from a team that needs or wants to get out of a contract next summer (to create cap room to sign someone else).  You know like when Miami dumped Beasley so they could sign their big 3. 
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Re: How does Orlando rank next year?
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2012, 08:59:57 AM »

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I imagine they'll use the TPE to take on a bad contract in order to pick up another lottery pick.
Exactly, they'll look for a deal like what Cleveland managed with Baron.