Doc: "We could really use" Delfino

[Celtics18]

My guess is that the Jeff Green deal gets finalized soon and that Christmas and Joseph both get signed for the season.  That makes 15.

I'm more than happy with this roster.  There's no room for Carlos Delfino, as far as I can tell.

[kozlodoev]

My guess is that the Jeff Green deal gets finalized soon and that Christmas and Joseph both get signed for the season.  That makes 15.

I'm more than happy with this roster.  There's no room for Carlos Delfino, as far as I can tell.

If we sign Delfino, then we don't need Christmas. Or Joseph for that matter. But I'll be pretty happy with the roster if we stood pat too.

[Jon]

My guess is that the Jeff Green deal gets finalized soon and that Christmas and Joseph both get signed for the season.  That makes 15.

I'm more than happy with this roster.  There's no room for Carlos Delfino, as far as I can tell.

If we sign Delfino, then we don't need Christmas. Or Joseph for that matter. But I'll be pretty happy with the roster if we stood pat too.

Delfino is almost certainly a better option than Christmas or Joseph.  And I do think that kozlodev makes a good point about how we are weaker at the 2/3 spot than many people would like to believe. 

However, I do think Doc is over exaggerating about how "we could really use" Delfino.  Delfino wouldn't be part of a healthy playoff rotation.  That means two things.

1) It's not a very attractive situation for Delfino here.  If he's going to take smaller money, he's better off doing it somewhere where he can play to earn a bigger deal next year. 

2) If push came to shove and someone missed time during the regular season, we could survive with Christmas or Joseph getting 10-15 mpg. 

So really, Delfino is really about playoff depth, which is obviously a good thing, but likely not enough for us to get him. 

I would take Marquis Daniels in a heartbeat over Joseph or Christmas.  I am willing to keep one of them, but I'd rather have a vet with playoff experience around in case Green or Pierce got dinged up in the playoffs. 

[kozlodoev]

My guess is that the Jeff Green deal gets finalized soon and that Christmas and Joseph both get signed for the season.  That makes 15.

I'm more than happy with this roster.  There's no room for Carlos Delfino, as far as I can tell.

If we sign Delfino, then we don't need Christmas. Or Joseph for that matter. But I'll be pretty happy with the roster if we stood pat too.

Delfino is almost certainly a better option than Christmas or Joseph.  And I do think that kozlodev makes a good point about how we are weaker at the 2/3 spot than many people would like to believe. 

However, I do think Doc is over exaggerating about how "we could really use" Delfino.  Delfino wouldn't be part of a healthy playoff rotation.  That means two things.

1) It's not a very attractive situation for Delfino here.  If he's going to take smaller money, he's better off doing it somewhere where he can play to earn a bigger deal next year. 

2) If push came to shove and someone missed time during the regular season, we could survive with Christmas or Joseph getting 10-15 mpg. 

So really, Delfino is really about playoff depth, which is obviously a good thing, but likely not enough for us to get him. 

I would take Marquis Daniels in a heartbeat over Joseph or Christmas.  I am willing to keep one of them, but I'd rather have a vet with playoff experience around in case Green or Pierce got dinged up in the playoffs.

One benefit of signing Delfino or another dependable swingman: we can field lineups with Green at the 4 that do not feature Paul Pierce. Not sure whether we'll want to, but it's somethign worth having in mind, I guess.

I also agree about the exaggeration -- note he that he said this for an Argentinian magazine, so don't exclude the possibility that he was simply giving lip service to their fellow countryman.

[gar]

Not sure going an 82 game season with one true PG is such a good idea either.

Perhaps this is why Green is not signed yet!
They are still looking for one or two key pieces.

No, it isn't.

edit: Let me elaborate...

1. Green's signing was announced as imminent, so he's not going anywhere.
2. Not signing Green does not automatically help us sign other players (other than freeing up a roster spot).
3. How many pure PGs are there in the NBA?
4. How many teams have more than one pure PG?
5. How many pure PGs are still available?
6. How many of the ones in pt. 5 are good enough to hold Keyon Dooling's jock (and that's not intended to be compliment for Dooling).

Bradley, JET and Dooling are all smaller SG's that can play PG in a pinch (Not thrilled with Dooling signing).

Lee is the only Guard we have with size (other than Christmas!); but Rondo is the only true PG (other than Smith)and I would also agree that we are without a starting center. SF is all set for once.

Bradley is a pretty mediocre PG (Terry and even Dooling are considerably better).
Jamar Smith is not a PG at all.

Wow

Not sure I disagree with much you said since you seem to be supporting my case. I never said Bradley was a good point guard. In fact all I was trying to say that if you are trying to say we have a huge hole at the SG spot you should look at how the rest of the roster is constructed. You could just as well ask for another PG or Center as many have. Not sure what you are getting a hyped about. Dooling is not that good a backup for Rondo and JET is most effective at SG. Jamar Smith is a PG otherwise he would not be on this roster.

Yes we can run the offense through Pierce or Garnet, I understand that; but to say that Delfino fits a pressing need is simply not true any more than getting a Center or a PG that was my only point.

I never said that Green was going to be traded. That would not make any sense.

[Jon]

My guess is that the Jeff Green deal gets finalized soon and that Christmas and Joseph both get signed for the season.  That makes 15.

I'm more than happy with this roster.  There's no room for Carlos Delfino, as far as I can tell.

If we sign Delfino, then we don't need Christmas. Or Joseph for that matter. But I'll be pretty happy with the roster if we stood pat too.

Delfino is almost certainly a better option than Christmas or Joseph.  And I do think that kozlodev makes a good point about how we are weaker at the 2/3 spot than many people would like to believe. 

However, I do think Doc is over exaggerating about how "we could really use" Delfino.  Delfino wouldn't be part of a healthy playoff rotation.  That means two things.

1) It's not a very attractive situation for Delfino here.  If he's going to take smaller money, he's better off doing it somewhere where he can play to earn a bigger deal next year. 

2) If push came to shove and someone missed time during the regular season, we could survive with Christmas or Joseph getting 10-15 mpg. 

So really, Delfino is really about playoff depth, which is obviously a good thing, but likely not enough for us to get him. 

I would take Marquis Daniels in a heartbeat over Joseph or Christmas.  I am willing to keep one of them, but I'd rather have a vet with playoff experience around in case Green or Pierce got dinged up in the playoffs.

One benefit of signing Delfino or another dependable swingman: we can field lineups with Green at the 4 that do not feature Paul Pierce. Not sure whether we'll want to, but it's somethign worth having in mind, I guess.

I also agree about the exaggeration -- note he that he said this for an Argentinian magazine, so don't exclude the possibility that he was simply giving lip service to their fellow countryman.

I agree about the Green situation at the 4.  And I'd even go as far as to suggest that one reason Doc may have expressed interest in Delfino is because he plans to play Green at the 4 more than many people on this board expect. 

[gar]

Not sure going an 82 game season with one true PG is such a good idea either.

Perhaps this is why Green is not signed yet!
They are still looking for one or two key pieces.

No, it isn't.

edit: Let me elaborate...

1. Green's signing was announced as imminent, so he's not going anywhere.
2. Not signing Green does not automatically help us sign other players (other than freeing up a roster spot).
3. How many pure PGs are there in the NBA?
4. How many teams have more than one pure PG?
5. How many pure PGs are still available?
6. How many of the ones in pt. 5 are good enough to hold Keyon Dooling's jock (and that's not intended to be compliment for Dooling).

Bradley, JET and Dooling are all smaller SG's that can play PG in a pinch (Not thrilled with Dooling signing).

Lee is the only Guard we have with size (other than Christmas!); but Rondo is the only true PG (other than Smith)and I would also agree that we are without a starting center. SF is all set for once.

Bradley is a pretty mediocre PG (Terry and even Dooling are considerably better).
Jamar Smith is not a PG at all.

Wow

Not sure I disagree with much you said since you seem to be supporting my case. I never said Bradley was a good point guard. In fact all I was trying to say that if you are trying to say we have a huge hole at the SG spot you should look at how the rest of the roster is constructed. You could just as well ask for another PG or Center as many have. Not sure what you are getting a hyped about. Dooling is not that good a backup for Rondo and JET is most effective at SG. Jamar Smith is a PG otherwise he would not be on this roster.

Yes we can run the offense through Pierce or Garnet, I understand that; but to say that Delfino fits a pressing need is simply not true any more than getting a Center or a PG that was my only point.

I never said that Green was going to be traded. That would not make any sense just mentioning the desire to structure his deal to fit the next move

[saltlover]

The reasonable solution would be to fill the 15th slot with a guard or wing on a contract that is not fully guaranteed, so you can easily cut him if you need to get more depth at a different position when Bradley is healthy.

Good luck finding someone who can play under these conditions.

Might I introduce you to Dionte Christmas?

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

While I think Melo will see time I am not asserting that he will, because no one KNOWS yet! What I am saying is that you people who state it as fact, should NOT! Anything can happen! Doc NOR Danny have said ONCE that he will NOT play (in fact, Danny said they are going to throw Sully AND Melo into the fire)! Also, you are missing out on the FACT that 1 big at least (or multiple) have been out for long periods of time, pretty much most of the seasons of the "Big 3" era. That may cause him to play even if YOU don't want him too! Doc did NOT want to play JJJ even though it turns out, at one point, he had basically no choice!

On Collins: how many times out of the same era have they had a scoring Center? ONCE, Shaq! Sure we were good with Shaq but won a championship w/ PERKINS as the C! Perkins is just as inept at offense as Collins is... that is not what is needed from our C! We have PLENTY OF OFFENSE, we need exactly what Collins brings (something Doc seems to value above all else), DEFENSE at the center position (you could argue for rebounding, except Doc has stated many times that it isn't as important for the team as people seem to think... he even preaches to get back on defense. We have a great % on made shots out of what is taken, so people seem to forget you can't rebound something already through the hoop)!

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

The reasonable solution would be to fill the 15th slot with a guard or wing on a contract that is not fully guaranteed, so you can easily cut him if you need to get more depth at a different position when Bradley is healthy.

Good luck finding someone who can play under these conditions.

Might I introduce you to Dionte Christmas?

Yes, in Summer League he has proven he can but I think the poster is talking about someone you KNOW has done it in actual NBA games...

[mctyson]

My guess here is that Doc is really sad to see Pietrus go, as he was that stretch 2/3 with length that could shut down people defensively, and we haven't replaced that.

Delfino has the size and many of the same abilities.

[Army_of_One_Nation]

At 6'6" and 230 lbs, Delfino could also play the 3 to spell PP and Green. MP is similar in size and maybe a little bit more athletic than Delfino. Not sure why either won't take the BAE, which is almost $2M, anyway. That's still plenty of nickels and dimes.

[saltlover]

At 6'6" and 230 lbs, Delfino could also play the 3 to spell PP and Green. MP is similar in size and maybe a little bit more athletic than Delfino. Not sure why either won't take the BAE, which is almost $2M, anyway. That's still plenty of nickels and dimes.

I think it's we don't have the BAE to offer.  We technically do, of course, but the hard cap means we might not have the room to use the BAE and sign anyone else later in the year in case of injury, or make any trades where we don't take on any salary.  If either would take the minimum, which would cost the Celtics the same amount against the cap as any of Christmas, Joseph, Smith, or another camper who makes the team, the Celtics would go for that in a heartbeat.  Unfortunately the minimum is over 30% less than the BAE, and that's a lot more nickels and dimes, even to someone who's made a lot of nickels and dimes.

[SHAQATTACK]

What is Green waiting on to sign,  "Christmas"






 

[Chris]

At 6'6" and 230 lbs, Delfino could also play the 3 to spell PP and Green. MP is similar in size and maybe a little bit more athletic than Delfino. Not sure why either won't take the BAE, which is almost $2M, anyway. That's still plenty of nickels and dimes.

I am sure they would take that.  The problem is, there is no real playing time that the C's can offer them.  And I am not sure the C's actually can offer them the BAE anyways.

It's not all about money, or going to a contender.  These guys also have to consider whether its a good situation to play.  I think most competitors would rather play for a mediocre team than riding the bench on a good team.