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Does going after Dwight even make sense?
« on: August 02, 2012, 12:01:40 PM »

Offline AB_Celtic

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Dwight Howard is one of the most valued players in the current NBA. Ask every GM who the best center in the league is, and all 30 will say Howard. With true, effective centers so scarce, and Howard making it clear he wants out of Orlando, it makes sense that teams like the Lakers, the Rockets, and the Nets are going hard after him.

Some have even discussed the advantages of getting Howard in a Boston uniform. Yes, a Rondo-Howard pairing would be truly frightening... probably the best PG-C duo in the league. So that's the obvious positive. However, I think there are far more negatives to acquiring Howard - other than his personality, mind you - that make it irresponsible for the Celtics to go after him. And here they are.

First, we cannot sign Howard after this season. There is not even close to enough cap space. If Howard is not on the Celtics by the end of this year, he will not be on the Celtics for many, many years, if ever.

So, to get Howard, we have to trade for him. Meaning, we can't get him without giving something truly valuable up. Here are some realistic packages for Howard, and the drawbacks of each.

1. Rondo, Melo, Sullinger, picks
This is one of the best packages the Magic could get. They get a prolific player in Rondo, and young, cheap size in Melo and Sullinger. The Celtics lose this trade for those reasons. They give up their best player and way too much young talent.

2. Green, Bass, Bradley, Sullinger
The Celtics again have to give up a lot of young talent, and more importantly, depth. Unless the Celtics took back some bad contracts like Turkoglu, they are an extremely thin team following this trade. I might add that we would not be able to take back bad contracts here, as the salaries wouldn't match up.

3. Pierce, Bass, Melo, Sullinger
Of the three options, this probably makes the most sense from a basketball standpoint. The Celtics give up an aging player and some size that will be offset by Howard. However, it still doesn't make sense, as Pierce means so much more to this team than Howard ever will. Say what you will, but the Celtics probably will not trade Pierce. Ever.

These are the best options for the Celtics and Magic. If #2 or #3 goes through, we do have that dynamic Rondo-Howard pairing. But what I haven't mentioned yet is how Garnett fits into all of this.

If Howard comes to Boston, KG will no longer be playing center. He will slide back to PF, his preferred, but worse position. In 2010-11, KG played mostly PF, and averaged 14.9 and 8.9. Now, that's not too shabby, but in reality, those are very Brandon Bass-like numbers. In almost the exact same minutes per game in 2011-12, Bass averaged 12.5 and 6.2, only 2.4 and 2.7 less than KG in 30 minutes.

In addition, at KG's... heightened age... playing PF wears him down much more than playing center. At some point during one of those 22 back-to-backs, KG won't be able to keep up with the likes of Bosh, Aldridge, etc., and will become far less effective.

Lastly, as we all know, there is no guarantee that Howard will resign with Boston after this year, so we could be giving up a large package for nothing.

To review, to get Howard in Boston, we would have to...
1. Give up Rondo or some combination of Green, Bass, Pierce, Bradley, and young talent and picks.
2. Slide KG to PF, where he is far less effective at this stage in his career.
3. Deal with Howard's negative locker room presence.
4. Potentially lose Howard in the offseason, thereby giving up talent for a rental.

It just doesn't make sense for Boston. We're a better team with our current assets, and we should hang on to them in this case. I'm not saying in every case; there are certainly some trades that make sense, it's just not this one. All we can do is hope that Howard doesn't end up in Los Angeles or Miami.

Re: Does going after Dwight even make sense?
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2012, 06:47:02 PM »

Offline lightspeed5

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we're not trading rondo.

Re: Does going after Dwight even make sense?
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2012, 06:53:56 PM »

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We missed our chance to make a run at Dwight, which is fine with me because I don't want him.

Re: Does going after Dwight even make sense?
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2012, 07:30:19 PM »

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If the Celtics can get Howard to pair with Rondo, the Celtics will do it.

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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2012, 09:55:55 PM »

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is howard good enuff to wear green?

Re: Does going after Dwight even make sense?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2012, 10:12:14 PM »

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OP: this was a post that was well thought out. However, aside from being able to woo Howard here in free agency, there isn't a trade worth doing for him. Just because you have one of the best centers in the league doesn't make us a contender, and it doesn't even mean the pairing with Rondo would work.
Rondo has the ability to make people around him better, but he can't turn blood into wine. His success has been driven around getting people the ball in the right spots, finding cutters to the hoop, and ultimately getting guys open jump shots. The last thing in the world I would want is Howard taking jump shots and playing 12 ft away from the hoop. In my opinion, the sum of all parts is greater than the value of one.
Look at what the Knicks gave up for Melo. Denver pulled enough players and chemistry to stay in the playoff hunt in a much tougher conference. The Knicks? Well, you've seen the results. I feel if Orlando pulls off a trade to move Howard, what they will get in return will keep them a competitive playoff time while rebuilding, whereas the LAs and NYs and Dallas' of the world will fall the way of the New Look Knicks.
The only way to get Howard and become a superior team is to sign him as a FA without giving up the assets you have.
So to answer your question, for me it doesn't make sense.

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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2012, 10:27:15 PM »

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If the Celtics can get Howard to pair with Rondo, the Celtics will do it.

In a heartbeat.

I believe if Howard is on the Magic's roster come the start of the season then the Celtics will have a shot at him at the deadline. We have young talent, tons of draft picks and a huge expiring contract in Pierce (soonish). Those are pretty much the things the Magic could be looking for with the exception being (young) allstar talent in return. Fortunately no one is offering them that either (Bynum won't extend in ORL).

So why wouldn't the Celtics be in the Howard sweepstakes? I will be very surprised if we aren't if the Magic don't deal him preseason.

Re: Does going after Dwight even make sense?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2012, 11:34:53 PM »

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We won't get him. And I'm ok with that because he's now one of my top 4 hated players in the NBA. I'm not sure I could stand having him in green.
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2012, 11:54:09 PM »

Offline pearljammer10

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no it doesnt. he is a little whiney punk b...i used to like howard and wish the best for him cause i liked his game. after the antics hes pulled these past two season, i have lost all respect for the dude.

Re: Does going after Dwight even make sense?
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2012, 12:21:56 AM »

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#2 is the only realistic one.

#1 is foolish and #3 will never happen.  Trading Rondo for Howard is a wash at this point (given the cap), and KG won't let Pierce get traded.

You have to to do a deal that keeps KG, Paul and Rondo here.  Those 3 with Howard would be absurdly good.  We'd still have Lee and Terry too.

So yeah, nevermind, #2 ain't happening either.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2012, 12:27:27 AM by KGs Knee »

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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2012, 01:58:52 PM »

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we're not trading rondo.
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Re: Does going after Dwight even make sense?
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2012, 03:08:44 PM »

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i didnt think its really far for dwight to get so much hate because he is a nice dude but now i really think he is taking advantage of being the most valuable player in the nba. he also has lied to people saying he wanted to stay in orlando and that he would sign an extension with this team or that team. he really wants to leave orlando and be a good guy at the same time and it isnt working. i atually feel bad for him and the orlando magic

Re: Does going after Dwight even make sense?
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2012, 04:04:34 PM »

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Makes no sense whatsoever.

Rivers has a solid coachable cohesive team.  Why give up half of it and the future for a diva.??...No matter how good he is.