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Re: C position is the weakest link
« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2012, 10:12:52 AM »

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The Heat won with Bosh at center.  And Bosh is really actually a PF. Today's NBA wins based on guard play - see the Heat's Wade/Lebron combo.  And I know you're going to say Lebron is a forward, but he handles the ball so much he might as well be a guard.

The Celtics actually have a very talented guard combo in Rondo/Avery Bradley.  Not to mention Jet + Lee.  Those are 4 very good guards.  Bradley is able to neutralize Wade when healthy.  The only real mismatch is Lebron who is just a freak but he's a mismatch for most teams.  At center, I don't see a big edge for the Heat.

Celtics could use another talented Big, not necessarily a center, but those are hard to find in this league.  All the C's have left is the biannual exception.

My point exactly - what would set the C's up for an advantage is another intimating Center. WE NEED THIS! for the most part we will match up well vs Mia, but our advantage will have to be a defensive Center. I think Fab Melo can grow to be a Tyson Chandler. We need THAT... now!

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« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2012, 10:15:36 AM »

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I actually think the Cs will be fine at the center position. The center position as changed so much in the NBA. When Shaq dominated the NBA every team had to have big 6'11+ 260lb + guys to try to contain shaq. That just isnt the case anymore the league is speed dominated and big centers are out of style.

KG and Bass will play there same roles as last season starting at the 4 and 5.

Wilcox and Sulllinger are both 4/5 and will serve as the first bigs off the bench

Jeff Green will play some mintes at the 4

Collins will get minutes against the bigger centers Marc Gasol, Howard, Bynum, and Hibbert.

That to me looks like solid depth/rotation at the 4 and the 5.

we have solid depth for to be contenders, however to be elite, WE MUST get another defensive minded C. I wish I could fast forward Fab Melo's development to year 3 and have that have that Fab Melo play now. He reminds me of Tyson Chandler. Our only hope this year is that KG doesn't get hurt.

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« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2012, 10:18:28 AM »

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The C's have one of the top 5 starting centers in the league.  Wilcox could potentially one of the best backup centers, and Collins is about as good a third center as you will find.  Greedy greedy.

Really??? We need to get someone legit to actually be a defensive minded Center to deter driving guards and forwards. I'm sorry but Wilcox is NOT intimidating to a driving Wade or Lebron. 

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« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2012, 10:18:49 AM »

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The Heat won with Bosh at center.  And Bosh is really actually a PF.  Today's NBA wins based on guard play - see the Heat's Wade/Lebron combo.  And I know you're going to say Lebron is a forward, but he handles the ball so much he might as well be a guard.

The Celtics actually have a very talented guard combo in Rondo/Avery Bradley.  Not to mention Jet + Lee.  Those are 4 very good guards.  Bradley is able to neutralize Wade when healthy.  The only real mismatch is Lebron who is just a freak but he's a mismatch for most teams.  At center, I don't see a big edge for the Heat.

Celtics could use another talented Big, not necessarily a center, but those are hard to find in this league.  All the C's have left is the biannual exception.
Today's NBA just like the NBA of the past is won by all time great players still in their prime and playing all time great basketball.  Boston doesn't have any of those players on its team right now, so it would be a fluke if it won the title (like the Pistons in 04). 
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« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2012, 10:28:42 AM »

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The C's have one of the top 5 starting centers in the league.  Wilcox could potentially one of the best backup centers, and Collins is about as good a third center as you will find.  Greedy greedy.

Really??? We need to get someone legit to actually be a defensive minded Center to deter driving guards and forwards. I'm sorry but Wilcox is NOT intimidating to a driving Wade or Lebron.

You know how you stop Lebron and Wade from driving?  By cutting them off BEFORE they get a head of steam.  Once they are in the lane, unless you have Dwight Howard, you are not stopping them.  So, having mobile centers like KG and Wilcox, who can defend the pick and roll, are much more important than having someone who is "intimidating".

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« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2012, 10:42:00 AM »

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The C's have one of the top 5 starting centers in the league.  Wilcox could potentially one of the best backup centers, and Collins is about as good a third center as you will find.  Greedy greedy.

Really??? We need to get someone legit to actually be a defensive minded Center to deter driving guards and forwards. I'm sorry but Wilcox is NOT intimidating to a driving Wade or Lebron.

You know how you stop Lebron and Wade from driving?  By cutting them off BEFORE they get a head of steam.  Once they are in the lane, unless you have Dwight Howard, you are not stopping them.  So, having mobile centers like KG and Wilcox, who can defend the pick and roll, are much more important than having someone who is "intimidating".
Not in my book becuase those guys play above the rim and if you get them going to the rim its all over, that's why I'm advocating for another legit defensive minded Center.

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« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2012, 10:51:02 AM »

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The Heat won with Bosh at center.  And Bosh is really actually a PF.  Today's NBA wins based on guard play - see the Heat's Wade/Lebron combo.  And I know you're going to say Lebron is a forward, but he handles the ball so much he might as well be a guard.

The Celtics actually have a very talented guard combo in Rondo/Avery Bradley.  Not to mention Jet + Lee.  Those are 4 very good guards.  Bradley is able to neutralize Wade when healthy.  The only real mismatch is Lebron who is just a freak but he's a mismatch for most teams.  At center, I don't see a big edge for the Heat.

Celtics could use another talented Big, not necessarily a center, but those are hard to find in this league.  All the C's have left is the biannual exception.
Today's NBA just like the NBA of the past is won by all time great players still in their prime and playing all time great basketball.  Boston doesn't have any of those players on its team right now, so it would be a fluke if it won the title (like the Pistons in 04).

  The Celts were pretty close to winning in 2010 and again last year. If they win it would be hard to label it as a fluke.

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« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2012, 10:56:04 AM »

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The Heat won with Bosh at center.  And Bosh is really actually a PF.  Today's NBA wins based on guard play - see the Heat's Wade/Lebron combo.  And I know you're going to say Lebron is a forward, but he handles the ball so much he might as well be a guard.

The Celtics actually have a very talented guard combo in Rondo/Avery Bradley.  Not to mention Jet + Lee.  Those are 4 very good guards.  Bradley is able to neutralize Wade when healthy.  The only real mismatch is Lebron who is just a freak but he's a mismatch for most teams.  At center, I don't see a big edge for the Heat.

Celtics could use another talented Big, not necessarily a center, but those are hard to find in this league.  All the C's have left is the biannual exception.
Today's NBA just like the NBA of the past is won by all time great players still in their prime and playing all time great basketball.  Boston doesn't have any of those players on its team right now, so it would be a fluke if it won the title (like the Pistons in 04).

We have two all time greats past their primes--but still playing at a very high level as of last year--and one potential all time great just entering his prime.  Add in that we've got a really solid and deep cast of role players, and I think we've got a legit shot.
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Re: C position is the weakest link
« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2012, 11:27:53 AM »

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The C's have one of the top 5 starting centers in the league.  Wilcox could potentially one of the best backup centers, and Collins is about as good a third center as you will find.  Greedy greedy.

Really??? We need to get someone legit to actually be a defensive minded Center to deter driving guards and forwards. I'm sorry but Wilcox is NOT intimidating to a driving Wade or Lebron.

You know how you stop Lebron and Wade from driving?  By cutting them off BEFORE they get a head of steam.  Once they are in the lane, unless you have Dwight Howard, you are not stopping them.  So, having mobile centers like KG and Wilcox, who can defend the pick and roll, are much more important than having someone who is "intimidating".
Not in my book becuase those guys play above the rim and if you get them going to the rim its all over, that's why I'm advocating for another legit defensive minded Center.

Huh?  That is my point.  Those guys are unstoppable once they are going to the rim.  You have to stop them on the perimeter, or else they are either scoring, or getting to the line, no matter who is playing center.