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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1140 on: August 04, 2012, 12:58:18 PM »

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After FA acquisitions:

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Roster and projected rotation.

PG: Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / (Roy)
SG: Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (TMac)
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady / Terrence Williams
PF: Tyrus Thomas / Jason Smith / (Drummond)
C : Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond

Head Coach: Greg Popovich (terrific coaching)

I really like that starting lineup two through five. I think they all work very well together and will be an imposing defensive and rebounding unit.

Not a fan of Felton. That is my only concern in the starting lineup.

T-Wil at PG? That's possible right?

Eh, Williams has played very little PG in his career to date, and i certainly wouldn't trust the guy to run an offense.

Felton is definitely still an asset, though.  He's not going to get you a lot in return coming off that gross year he had but you could probably flip him for more of a floor-spacing PG.  All the offense should go through Melo/Bogut anyways.

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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1141 on: August 04, 2012, 01:03:18 PM »

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After FA acquisitions:

Cleveland Derps
Roster and projected rotation.

PG: Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / (Roy)
SG: Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (TMac)
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady / Terrence Williams
PF: Tyrus Thomas / Jason Smith / (Drummond)
C : Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond

Head Coach: Greg Popovich (terrific coaching)

I really like that starting lineup two through five. I think they all work very well together and will be an imposing defensive and rebounding unit.

Not a fan of Felton. That is my only concern in the starting lineup.

T-Wil at PG? That's possible right?

I could be talked into that very easily (once I get past the initial negative reaction) but I don't think that would go down well with the rest of the voters.

Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1142 on: August 04, 2012, 01:09:05 PM »

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After FA acquisitions:

Cleveland Derps
Roster and projected rotation.

PG: Raymond Felton / Jerryd Bayless / (Roy)
SG: Brandon Rush / Brandon Roy / (TMac)
SF: Carmelo Anthony / Tracy McGrady / Terrence Williams
PF: Tyrus Thomas / Jason Smith / (Drummond)
C : Andrew Bogut / Andre Drummond

Head Coach: Greg Popovich (terrific coaching)

I really like that starting lineup two through five. I think they all work very well together and will be an imposing defensive and rebounding unit.

Not a fan of Felton. That is my only concern in the starting lineup.

T-Wil at PG? That's possible right?

I could be talked into that very easily (once I get past the initial negative reaction) but I don't think that would go down well with the rest of the voters.

Yuck. T will? I'd rather have t Mac at the point forward. Like with Detroit last year.


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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1143 on: August 04, 2012, 01:57:25 PM »

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PG: Terrence Williams
SG: Brandon Rush
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Tyrus Thomas
C : Andrew Bogut

I think that would be an very strong defensive lineup that would be excellent at forcing turnovers.

Think about having Andrew Bogut as a defensive anchor + two uber-athletes like T-Will and Ty Thomas who can cover lots of ground defensively + a well above average defensive two with very good size + Carmelo at SF with his athleticism and size.

The size and length of Terrence Williams (6-6), Rush (6-7), Carmelo (6-8) and Ty Thomas (6-8) scrambling defensively. Being able to switch matchups comfortably. Having the quickness to play aggressive help defense and still get back to their own man.

Plus, then the rebounding of Terrence Williams at PG. I think he's good for around 7 rebounds a game as a starting PG playing 35-37 minutes a night.

I mean ... I think we're talking about an extra 5 possessions a game for Cleveland between the added rebounds and turnovers that inserting T-Will into the starting lineup would create.

Even with a less efficient offensive option at PG, that is still a huge number of extra possessions to work with ... I have to think that would be a net positive for Cleveland.

Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1144 on: August 04, 2012, 02:27:18 PM »

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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1145 on: August 04, 2012, 02:43:23 PM »

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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1146 on: August 04, 2012, 05:21:10 PM »

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#1) You didn't even answer the actual question about notwithstanding?

#2) Because I didn't agree with you about Ricky Rubio, you think its pointless to try to tell me what to expect from a extremely talented 19 year old rookie? Weak. I might be a bit conventional about positions, and rookies at times, but you've got a few very accurate projections. I'm willing to listen, and kind of offended that you think I'm either too set in myways to give it an honest try, or too dumb to understand the implications you're making.

And that's with the hope that you don't think I'm so much of a jerk that I'd just ask a question so I can tell you you're wrong.

1) I don't know! It's 14th century Middle English that only lawyers use now.

2) Yeah, I realize my first answer is too woeful. But answers to the question you're asking are all over the internets, and statistical flights of fancy tend to go over with a thud here. So it's not that I feel it's pointless to argue with you, I feel it's pointless to argue with anybody. I'm a convert to SO's rule of thumb, keep it succinct.

Caveat, I'm an NBA head, not a college basketball head, but where does his freshman season rank?

• Unanimous first-team All-American.
• Voted best freshman of the year, winning the Wayman Tisdale Award.
•  Won the Wooden Award, Naismith Award, Adolph Rupp Trophy and AP Player of the Year.
• Broke the NCAA freshman block record and won AP Defensive Player of the Year honors.
• Named Most Outstanding Player of the NCAA Tournament while leading his team to a national championship.
• Consensus #1 pick and now a U.S. Olympian.

And you and Roy and KC can joke, but I think the Olympic selection is a meaningful impact on his development, and it's got me even more excited for the kid. It's basically training camp with the NBA's Avengers.

In terms of player comparisons, as a 19 year-old freshman he was rebounding (11.6 per 36 versus 9.65), stealing the basketball (1.52 vs 1.14) and blocking shots (5.31 vs. 4.56) at a higher rate than Marcus Camby did at any point in his college career, while - and this I find really impressive - fouling at a lower rate (2.19 vs 3.1).

So then I'd set Camby's rookie year 14.8 and 6.3 with 1 steal and 2 blocks as Davis's basement. He's going to be better than that. He's so much quicker and his body control is better.

If that answer is too dry for you? DraftExpress say his best case scenario is Blake Griffin meets Tyson Chandler.

My only cause for concern short-term is that while he's phenomenal at finishing anything around the rim, he needs passes and New Orleans after dumping Jarrett Jack has the worst guard rotation in the league. That team is one Eric Gordon set back from starting Vasquez and Roger Mason. How u.

First, sorry for not getting to this earlier. Slipped through the cracks somehow. I asked for it, and it was a faux-pas on my part. (yes, I did that so you could mock me using 'faux pas')

Second, yeah I'm coming around to Anthony Davis. He's playing a ton at the Olympics with or without a jersey which means his rookie production is fast-tracked this season.

I'm coming around on the Warriors. Pragmatically, if Anthony Davis can get some good looks, he's a lock for rookie of the year, and he'll get all the minutes his uni-brow can handle, and then some. He seems like a great kid with maturity beyond his unibrow, so I unibrow that his learning curve will be minimal, to the point where he might as well be a sophomore by the time the playoffs roll around.

Plus you've got Warriors (no pun not intended) around him like Manu and Iggy who are also very very good playmakers for their traditional positions. Anthony Davis should flourish there, and I agree with you that your basement is a very conservative estimate.

Yeah I'm sold on Anthony Davis. He'll get pushed around by some centers for a year or two but there are precious few of those guys, and Miami proved that with dynamic defenders and uber athleticism, you can overcome that increasingly outdated notion of centers dominating the game, and still win. For every 1-step power dunk a Bynum or Howard rains down on him, he'll be altering 2 or 3 shots that might have gone in anyways.

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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1147 on: August 04, 2012, 05:28:45 PM »

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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1148 on: August 04, 2012, 05:42:17 PM »

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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1149 on: August 04, 2012, 09:31:25 PM »

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Oh, sorry i thought the title of the thread was like a Jeopardy thing... where you're supposed to answer or it was the form of a question.

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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1150 on: August 04, 2012, 10:49:44 PM »

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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1151 on: August 04, 2012, 11:05:51 PM »

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PG: Terrence Williams
SG: Brandon Rush
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Tyrus Thomas
C : Andrew Bogut

I think that would be an very strong defensive lineup that would be excellent at forcing turnovers.

Think about having Andrew Bogut as a defensive anchor + two uber-athletes like T-Will and Ty Thomas who can cover lots of ground defensively + a well above average defensive two with very good size + Carmelo at SF with his athleticism and size.

The size and length of Terrence Williams (6-6), Rush (6-7), Carmelo (6-8) and Ty Thomas (6-8) scrambling defensively. Being able to switch matchups comfortably. Having the quickness to play aggressive help defense and still get back to their own man.

Plus, then the rebounding of Terrence Williams at PG. I think he's good for around 7 rebounds a game as a starting PG playing 35-37 minutes a night.

I mean ... I think we're talking about an extra 5 possessions a game for Cleveland between the added rebounds and turnovers that inserting T-Will into the starting lineup would create.

Even with a less efficient offensive option at PG, that is still a huge number of extra possessions to work with ... I have to think that would be a net positive for Cleveland.

I haven't thought about it until you, sir Who gave this explanation. While I'm still leaning towards Felton starting because of his better playmaking, I'm starting to like a T-Will PG idea.

Way better defensively that lineup would be. It would give up some of the scoring, but this team has Carmelo.
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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1152 on: August 05, 2012, 01:01:05 AM »

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Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1153 on: August 05, 2012, 01:08:00 AM »

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I'd say you have among the best bigs out there.

I think KG/Booz would compete with just about any Big tandem out there, too. Plus, Zaza and Speights spent a good portion of the year starting for ATL and MEM.

We also have Meyers Leonard and Andrew Nicholson which will push for playing time, too.

Re: 2012 - CB Draft: "How's My Team Look?"
« Reply #1154 on: August 05, 2012, 01:14:01 AM »

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I'd say you have among the best bigs out there.

I think KG/Booz would compete with just about any Big tandem out there, too. Plus, Zaza and Speights spent a good portion of the year starting for ATL and MEM.

We also have Meyers Leonard and Andrew Nicholson which will push for playing time, too.

You guys have some great bigs also but id say our bigs are slightly better and our backup bigs are better also