Xmas coming to camp... maybe more?

[rmitchell222003]

You havent seen the best of him yet. I noticed in the Vegas Summer league, referees never called a illegal Defense, so image him with must more space to operate!!!

[hwangjini_1]

Am i crazy to think he is actually better than Bradley?

actually, bat crap crazy would probably be a better term. 

oh, wait, maybe you were referring to something other than basketball... cards? golf? ping pong? on those you might be correct.

[LooseCannon]

So, back to the original question:  how much does Christmas' contract count against the apron, and does the partial guarantee affect that?

Basically, his contract creates more flexibility than signing a veteran to a fully guaranteed minimum contract but less than leaving the spot unfilled.  The partial guarantee only matters if he is waived, with only the guaranteed portion counting against the cap.

[lightspeed5]

for the christmas NBA games, if the celtics play, his jersey better have ornaments and stuff on it, and he better play with a white beard.

[Yugocelt]

[gar]

Wow. I like the guy too, but really. Perimeter defense without Etwuan Moore sat was pretty bad during SL. The combo of Moore and Xmas was awesome on both sides of the ball. If we had to loose Moore then Xmas is a nice consolation prize, but E'twuan is a much more polished player. Lamar Smith, also got high praise; however was a poor sub for Moore and does not really deserve to be in the mix. Would rather have Dooling than Lamar Smith as PG insurance.

[Celts Fan 92]

Love dis pickup we can have our own Gary Neal type player undrafted 25 year old rookie who changed his game nd played hard in da summer league. he's shown versatility nd a great ability to draw fouls. I think at dis point he's a betta option then Quis, dont be surprised if he can contribute well in spot minutes dis year

[Prof. Clutch]

TP.

[KGs Knee]

So, back to the original question:  how much does Christmas' contract count against the apron, and does the partial guarantee affect that?

All depends on whether or not any or all of his contract is guaranteed.  If any amount is guaranteed, the guaranteed amount will count against our overall salary.

My suspiscion is he getting a small amount guaranteed, but probably no more than 200K.

I'm not really too bothered by it though, because I think our overall salary is going to be lower than most expect.  I've seen estimates as high as 71m for our current roster (including Green who has not yet officially signed).  I've got them pegged a little lower though.

Ultimately, I think the FA's we signed this off-season will be getting standard contracts with full raises.  I've got KG @10.6m, Green @8.1m, Bass @6.2m, Terry @5m, Lee @5m, Sullinger @1.3m, Melo @1.3m, Wilcox @.8m, Collins @.8m & Joseph @.8m.  Not including Christmas, I've got a total of approx 69.3m.  Say, we pay him 200K, and later cut him, that would only bring the total to 69.5m.  (All of the numbers I've listed still allow the players to reach their reported full values)

All of this is really just me guessing though.  My logic is that it would seem that the C's would be best served keeping this year's total salary as low as possible to keep a little flexibility for later in the season.  There really is no point worrying about the next 3 years, because I just don't see it as likely we'll have access to the full MLE anyway.

[Alleyoopster]

Watching the Clippers guards (and Adam Morrison) hitting 3 pointers at will against the Celtics, I'm wondering if any of their unsigned shooters might be a better choice than Christmas.  Can't always judge by one game, but they did lead the Summer League in 3 pointers. 

[j804]

Wow. I like the guy too, but really. Perimeter defense without Etwuan Moore sat was pretty bad during SL. The combo of Moore and Xmas was awesome on both sides of the ball

Well even better put Bradley or Rondo in place of Moore....add to that Pierce, Bass and KG next to him where teams can't quadruple team him. Now not to get carried away or anything but I like what I see so far. He doesn't seem like the type to get rattled, he is fearless attacking the rim, and best of all is great at drawing fouls in which this team lacks BIG time. Him and Sully both welcome the contact love this move.

[lightspeed5]

Watching the Clippers guards (and Adam Morrison) hitting 3 pointers at will against the Celtics, I'm wondering if any of their unsigned shooters might be a better choice than Christmas.  Can't always judge by one game, but they did lead the Summer League in 3 pointers. 

adam morrison was there? lol

[Roy H.]

So, back to the original question:  how much does Christmas' contract count against the apron, and does the partial guarantee affect that?

Basically, his contract creates more flexibility than signing a veteran to a fully guaranteed minimum contract but less than leaving the spot unfilled.  The partial guarantee only matters if he is waived, with only the guaranteed portion counting against the cap.

All depends on whether or not any or all of his contract is guaranteed.  If any amount is guaranteed, the guaranteed amount will count against our overall salary.

You guys are both correct under the old rules.  Under the new CBA, though, team salary for purposes of the cap and team salary for purposes of the apron are different, apparently.  According to Larry Coon, rookies are charged the salary of a two-year vet against the apron, regardless of what their actual salary is.  

I'm curious, then, to know what Christmas' deal will count against our apron, and how it will affect our flexibility.

[LooseCannon]

Not sure what you are asking.

If he is on the roster, he is counted as that minimum you cited.  If he is waived, then only the portion of the contract that he is actually paid counts. If he is traded, none of his salary counts.

"Salaries paid or payable to waived players, minus any set-off amounts, and subject to the Stretch provision" isn't modified by considering players who make less as having the two-year vet minimum salary for the purpose of calculating the apron.

[Roy H.]

Not sure what you are asking.

If he is on the roster, he is counted as that minimum you cited.  If he is waived, then only the portion of the contract that he is actually paid counts. If he is traded, none of his salary counts.

"Salaries paid or payable to waived players, minus any set-off amounts, and subject to the Stretch provision" isn't modified by considering players who make less as having the two-year vet minimum salary for the purpose of calculating the apron.

Let's say Christmas is paid $200k of a $473k rookie minimum.

According to Larry Coon, that rookie minimum counts $854k against the apron, no matter what Christmas' actual contract is (so long as it's $854k or below.)

So, if Christmas is cut, does that contract count as:

$200k?
$361k?  (the proportional amount of that $200k if applied to a $854k salary)
$854k?

I suspect it's the guaranteed amount, like you do.  However, that language used by Coon is confusing.  It suggests that if a guy has a fully-guaranteed rookie contract at $473k, that amount counts at $854k.  If he gets cut, does that re-adjust down to $473k?

Regardless, it seems like Christmas' contract must count at $854k against the apron until such point as he is cut, which theoretically could impact our ability to bring in another minimum guy and a BAE contract.