Still can't beat the Heat!!!

[j804]

 you expect these types of threads midway thru the season but the season hasn't even started smh

[Geo123]

Celtics will finish 4th for playoff seeding and will face the Knicks in the first round next year, squeeking by them in 7 games which will match us up against the Heat in the semis.  As constructed how do you see us doing minus any major injuries to either team??

Playoff seedings

1. Heat
2. Indy
3. Bulls
4. Celtics
5. Knicks
6. Nets
7. Cavs
8. Milwaukee

No way I see the Bulls ahead of the Celts especially considering Rose and maybe even Deng will miss major time.  I really like our team.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

you expect these types of threads midway thru the season but the season hasn't even started smh

agreed, it is vile and pathetic.

[LEHGOCELTICS]

A troll that is trying to take his talent to CB.

[Sketch5]

lets watch some games first, see who breaks out, and see how the rosters play themselves out. It is way too early to determine stuff like this.

Agreed.

Way too early to make these assumptions.

After all, we were 15-17 up to the All-Star break last season, and we all know how that ended up.

Yeah, us losing to the heat for the second year in a row.

without avery, green, wilcox, JO, and pierce/ray/stiemsma playing injured.

excuses? no but we had almost no depth and we took them to 7. its not the same as "losing to the heat."

Nah you can't do that.  If you're playing the excuse game then you have to acknowledge that the Celtics had trouble beating the Hawks once Horford showed up (understandably rusty with several months away from the game).  Healthy Horford would have been trouble.  You'd also have to acknowledge that the Bulls would have torched us in the 2nd round had they not been without the 2011 MVP and 2nd best player.  Also have to acknowledge that the Heat took care of us easily once Bosh started getting minutes.  

King James and the Heat are the champs until otherwise noted.  The second best team in the East has to be a healthy Bulls team (they were seen as the favorite until the injuries).  Celtics at the most are 3rd.

The heat did not take care of us easily with bosh. Last i checked they lost to us in game 5, and LEBRON NOT bosh is the one who had the awesome night in game 6, and last I checked we had a 10 point lead on the road in game 7. We just could not close out for all the reasons stated before. Bosh did play well at the end of that game without a doubt. Again though, I'll take Kenny Smith's opinion over yours. Which has been discussed here ad nauseum.

And I agree, the Heat are the team to beat in the east right now and they deservedly should be. But for the Original Poster who started the thread his defeatist attitude is sad indeed.

oh and yes he can do that, bottom line is regardless who was out for the bulls, heat, celtics, hawks, is the heat were supposed to DESTROY the celts in 4 maybe 5. in no way shape  or form did they demonstrate that nor were they in a position to do that. The heat were in a fight for their lives and they knew it. The celtics shoulda/coulda have beaten the sixers in 5....and we all know it but they got lax. The sixers did not play us like we did the heat. Our offense was better against the heat than philly.  I'll give the sixers credit for that.

I hate when people use this STUPID argument. Doesn't matter how many games it takes you to beat a team all that matters is you beat the team. Took us 7 games to beat the hawks and the cavs in the championship year so what.
Please do NOT belittle other people, their posts, or their arguments.

Aren't you doing the same thing by calling some ones argument STUPID?

[Sketch5]

I 'll like to see how the cHeat handle the year after. Are they going to be as hungry? Or layed back? Boston came out just as hungry, bit KG's injury kept them out.

Were we got killed last year was bench points. Terry, Lee or AB,Green, Wilcox,Sully can add 30 to 40 points a game. Thats pretty big. A lot better than the 2 we got in game 7. We pretty much played that series 5 on 9, and the Heat had the refs help as well.

Chances are good, better than last year for sure.

[Lightskinsmurf]

The celtics have had at least one key injury every year since the championship year. No reason to believe this season will be any different. Id be shocked if we go into the playoffs with all of our key guys.

[BudweiserCeltic]

lets watch some games first, see who breaks out, and see how the rosters play themselves out. It is way too early to determine stuff like this.

Agreed.

Way too early to make these assumptions.

After all, we were 15-17 up to the All-Star break last season, and we all know how that ended up.

Yeah, us losing to the heat for the second year in a row.

without avery, green, wilcox, JO, and pierce/ray/stiemsma playing injured.

excuses? no but we had almost no depth and we took them to 7. its not the same as "losing to the heat."

Nah you can't do that.  If you're playing the excuse game then you have to acknowledge that the Celtics had trouble beating the Hawks once Horford showed up (understandably rusty with several months away from the game).  Healthy Horford would have been trouble.  You'd also have to acknowledge that the Bulls would have torched us in the 2nd round had they not been without the 2011 MVP and 2nd best player.  Also have to acknowledge that the Heat took care of us easily once Bosh started getting minutes. 

King James and the Heat are the champs until otherwise noted.  The second best team in the East has to be a healthy Bulls team (they were seen as the favorite until the injuries).  Celtics at the most are 3rd.

The heat did not take care of us easily with bosh. Last i checked they lost to us in game 5, and LEBRON NOT bosh is the one who had the awesome night in game 6, and last I checked we had a 10 point lead on the road in game 7. We just could not close out for all the reasons stated before. Bosh did play well at the end of that game without a doubt. Again though, I'll take Kenny Smith's opinion over yours. Which has been discussed here ad nauseum.

And I agree, the Heat are the team to beat in the east right now and they deservedly should be. But for the Original Poster who started the thread his defeatist attitude is sad indeed.

oh and yes he can do that, bottom line is regardless who was out for the bulls, heat, celtics, hawks, is the heat were supposed to DESTROY the celts in 4 maybe 5. in no way shape  or form did they demonstrate that nor were they in a position to do that. The heat were in a fight for their lives and they knew it. The celtics shoulda/coulda have beaten the sixers in 5....and we all know it but they got lax. The sixers did not play us like we did the heat. Our offense was better against the heat than philly.  I'll give the sixers credit for that.

I hate when people use this STUPID argument. Doesn't matter how many games it takes you to beat a team all that matters is you beat the team. Took us 7 games to beat the hawks and the cavs in the championship year so what.
Please do NOT belittle other people, their posts, or their arguments.

Aren't you doing the same thing by calling some ones argument STUPID?

That's a mod edit...

[LarBrd33]

lets watch some games first, see who breaks out, and see how the rosters play themselves out. It is way too early to determine stuff like this.

Agreed.

Way too early to make these assumptions.

After all, we were 15-17 up to the All-Star break last season, and we all know how that ended up.

Yeah, us losing to the heat for the second year in a row.

without avery, green, wilcox, JO, and pierce/ray/stiemsma playing injured.

excuses? no but we had almost no depth and we took them to 7. its not the same as "losing to the heat."

Nah you can't do that.  If you're playing the excuse game then you have to acknowledge that the Celtics had trouble beating the Hawks once Horford showed up (understandably rusty with several months away from the game).  Healthy Horford would have been trouble.  You'd also have to acknowledge that the Bulls would have torched us in the 2nd round had they not been without the 2011 MVP and 2nd best player.  Also have to acknowledge that the Heat took care of us easily once Bosh started getting minutes.  

King James and the Heat are the champs until otherwise noted.  The second best team in the East has to be a healthy Bulls team (they were seen as the favorite until the injuries).  Celtics at the most are 3rd.

The heat did not take care of us easily with bosh. Last i checked they lost to us in game 5, and LEBRON NOT bosh is the one who had the awesome night in game 6, and last I checked we had a 10 point lead on the road in game 7. We just could not close out for all the reasons stated before. Bosh did play well at the end of that game without a doubt. Again though, I'll take Kenny Smith's opinion over yours. Which has been discussed here ad nauseum.

And I agree, the Heat are the team to beat in the east right now and they deservedly should be. But for the Original Poster who started the thread his defeatist attitude is sad indeed.

oh and yes he can do that, bottom line is regardless who was out for the bulls, heat, celtics, hawks, is the heat were supposed to DESTROY the celts in 4 maybe 5. in no way shape  or form did they demonstrate that nor were they in a position to do that. The heat were in a fight for their lives and they knew it. The celtics shoulda/coulda have beaten the sixers in 5....and we all know it but they got lax. The sixers did not play us like we did the heat. Our offense was better against the heat than philly.  I'll give the sixers credit for that.

I hate when people use this STUPID argument. Doesn't matter how many games it takes you to beat a team all that matters is you beat the team. Took us 7 games to beat the hawks and the cavs in the championship year so what.
Please do NOT belittle other people, their posts, or their arguments.

Yup... we should have "Destroyed" the lowly 76ers and that definitely didn't happen either. 

Bottom line:   It's the Heat's league until someone proves otherwise.  Chicago is likely the 2nd best team in the East when healthy.  THat team was a beast during the regular season despite Rose missing significant time.

[eugen]

The Bulls will struggle this season. Not only will they have Hinrich as their starting point guard for most of the season, but they have lost their bench identity with Asik, Korver, Watson, Brewer. That bench was the key factor for them last season, while Rose was out. And without Rose and the bench mob, they are not a top 3 team in the east.  

Do not underestimate NYK.

[Birdman]

at most, we're the 3rd best team in the East.  The only real competition for the Heat is a healthy Bulls team.  

In the West it's Thunder, Lakers and maybe Spurs.

Major sleepers in either conference seem to be Clippers and maybe the Nets.  On paper, the Nets look surprisingly good.

I agree with u..Nets are looking very good. Going to take time for that team to play together but after the All Star game look out

[European NBA fan]

The Bulls will struggle this season. Not only will they have Hinrich as their starting point guard for most of the season, but they have lost their bench identity with Asik, Korver, Watson, Brewer. That bench was the key factor for them last season, while Rose was out. And without Rose and the bench mob, they are not a top 3 team in the east.  

Do not underestimate NYK.

I'm not sure, that I get your point, but I guess you are saying, that the Knicks will compete for a top 3 spot. That depends on whether they are better than the Celtics, since we are division rivals. I don't think that they have improved enough, but only time will tell.

[thirstyboots18]

lets watch some games first, see who breaks out, and see how the rosters play themselves out. It is way too early to determine stuff like this.

Agreed.

Way too early to make these assumptions.

After all, we were 15-17 up to the All-Star break last season, and we all know how that ended up.

Yeah, us losing to the heat for the second year in a row.

without avery, green, wilcox, JO, and pierce/ray/stiemsma playing injured.

excuses? no but we had almost no depth and we took them to 7. its not the same as "losing to the heat."

Nah you can't do that.  If you're playing the excuse game then you have to acknowledge that the Celtics had trouble beating the Hawks once Horford showed up (understandably rusty with several months away from the game).  Healthy Horford would have been trouble.  You'd also have to acknowledge that the Bulls would have torched us in the 2nd round had they not been without the 2011 MVP and 2nd best player.  Also have to acknowledge that the Heat took care of us easily once Bosh started getting minutes.  

King James and the Heat are the champs until otherwise noted.  The second best team in the East has to be a healthy Bulls team (they were seen as the favorite until the injuries).  Celtics at the most are 3rd.

The heat did not take care of us easily with bosh. Last i checked they lost to us in game 5, and LEBRON NOT bosh is the one who had the awesome night in game 6, and last I checked we had a 10 point lead on the road in game 7. We just could not close out for all the reasons stated before. Bosh did play well at the end of that game without a doubt. Again though, I'll take Kenny Smith's opinion over yours. Which has been discussed here ad nauseum.

And I agree, the Heat are the team to beat in the east right now and they deservedly should be. But for the Original Poster who started the thread his defeatist attitude is sad indeed.

oh and yes he can do that, bottom line is regardless who was out for the bulls, heat, celtics, hawks, is the heat were supposed to DESTROY the celts in 4 maybe 5. in no way shape  or form did they demonstrate that nor were they in a position to do that. The heat were in a fight for their lives and they knew it. The celtics shoulda/coulda have beaten the sixers in 5....and we all know it but they got lax. The sixers did not play us like we did the heat. Our offense was better against the heat than philly.  I'll give the sixers credit for that.

I hate when people use this STUPID argument. Doesn't matter how many games it takes you to beat a team all that matters is you beat the team. Took us 7 games to beat the hawks and the cavs in the championship year so what.
Please do NOT belittle other people, their posts, or their arguments.

Aren't you doing the same thing by calling some ones argument STUPID?

sorry,.. sketch....that was my statement.  my name dropped off by accident.  thirstyboots18

[All Star Matt Clement]

The celtics have had at least one key injury every year since the championship year. No reason to believe this season will be any different. Id be shocked if we go into the playoffs with all of our key guys.

haha optimistic much?

who was hurt in 2010? Perk went down in Game 6 of the finals but they were generally healthy during the regular season and most of playoffs right?

[slamtheking]

I 'll like to see how the cHeat handle the year after. Are they going to be as hungry? Or layed back? Boston came out just as hungry, bit KG's injury kept them out.

Were we got killed last year was bench points. Terry, Lee or AB,Green, Wilcox,Sully can add 30 to 40 points a game. Thats pretty big. A lot better than the 2 we got in game 7. We pretty much played that series 5 on 9, and the Heat had the refs help as well.

Chances are good, better than last year for sure.

I think you've raised some good points that many people have overlooked.  Despite Bron bragging about the number of titles he was going to win in Miami, there is a question as to whether he'll be just as hungry for another title as he was with this one.  Same for Bosh and Wade.  I can see KG and PP really wanting to get that second title (Ray too for the Heat) but we won't know Bron's drive for #2 until we see it.

As for the C's chances of beating the Heat -- I think they have the best chance of any team in the League.  C's are now much deeper and talented in the positions where Miami is strongest and even stronger at PG than Miami.  Center isn't strong for either team (unless KG plays there and/or Sully shows he's a real stud this year).   Bron will always be the best player on the floor in a series but it'll be up to the C's to make the rest of that team beat them.  I think with the dramatically improved bench, the C's have a legit chance to knock them off. 

of course injuries could change that but let's see the season play out before we start bemoaning that problem all over again.