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Cs are not as far from #1 in East as advertised
« on: July 21, 2012, 02:42:29 AM »

Offline tarheelsxxiii

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I don't see the rationale behind Simmon's comment in today's article: " Right now, there's a steep drop from Miami to the next five Eastern playoff contenders (Boston, Chicago, New York, Brooklyn and Indiana). It's just a fact."

I understand most analysts and even posters here seem to agree with this sentiment. But I'm unable to understand the reasons beyond the typical "because they are the champs." My question is, why? I know teams can go on some big runs (Spurs and Lakers combined for 8/11 up to 2010), but I also disagree with such a strong statement based on a few points:

2012 Playoffs:
1) The 66-game season: By the end, we were cooked. Each series wore us down even more. And the losses were huge. I think non-Cs fans largely underestimated AB's potential impact in the playoffs. Ray and Steamer couldn't stay on the court or were often non-factors. Pierce lost his step, attacked the rim less and couldn't score in iso when we were desperate for a bucket. I recall a crucial point in a playoff game that we had Dooling, Marquis, and Hollins on the court. Wow.

2) The Bosh impact: An aberration. When has Bosh ever nailed 3-4 corner treys? To every one watching, Bosh's return marked the end of the ECF. Did it? Yeah. How many times out of 100 is he spreading the court like that, on that stage? I'll go comfortably with less than 10%. Remove that little one-game aberration and we're in the Finals.

3) Battier/Miller: Can their performances be repeated? I don't know. I wouldn't bet against Battier. But 1/2 of the hired snipers in the league would've had that huge game in Miller's position - with no one within 10 feet of him, against a team on its heels & terrified as they witnessed Lebron's transcendence to manhood. That leads me to 4...

4) Lebron's impact: He won the 'chip. You could see it in his eyes game 6 - he was taking it at any cost. But he found help exactly when he needed it. And a lot of it.

Will he be hungry enough to repeat that performance? Will it be even easier now with all the pressure off? I'm not sure... but I do know a healthy, deeper Cs defense cuts off his/Wade's driving lanes and recovers to Battier/Miller/Chalmers 10x more effectively. That's how we got to the series.

Looking ahead:
5) Heat in 2013: They got better. We have had enough Ray talk - he will see fewer mins, his health is in question, etc. Rashard Lewis can benefit from open 3s like Ray - he won't be an eye-popping difference, in my opinion. But maybe I'm wrong... and if they both have big seasons, how can we match-up?

6) Cs in 2013: We got A LOT better. Again, AB is still underestimated - in my humble opinion, if he's healthy, he's going to be a star. Terry provides the big scoring threat, a seasoned vet and confidence off the bench that we've been craving, a lot of energy, and a back-up PG if need be. He has the clutch gene, too... the guy can/will hit huge shots for us when it matters most. I've no question. Wilcox, if healthy, will be a huge addition. He runs the floor well with Rondo, rebounds well, he's familiar with our system, selfless, and he's a tough inside presence. Green is Green... he's good at worst, very very good at best... giving Pierce spells, alone, is huge. He will be productive offensively. If he becomes confident, he can be really productive offensively and a long, flexible option defensively as well.

7) The NBA: There's a lot of bball to be played before the 2013 playoffs. There's the Dwight Howard situation, the inevitable injuries, and a lot of talented, hungry teams. But we're selling ourselves - and the Cs - short if we forget where we come from. We haven't lost our identity since the Red/Russell/Bird years... we are a culture, a tight-knit group that goes to battle every night... and when the time comes, whether we are playing Lebron/Wade and Co., Kobe/Nash/Howard, or Durant/Westbrook, we will be close. I've no doubt. Danny has prepared us well for 2013 and beyond and, in my opinion, there isn't a better coach - from an X's and O's standpoint AND a mentor - in the league than Doc. In spite of Ainge's "tough love" (which I generally hate), our age in the past and our new identity towards the future, Doc is a big part of why we remain a tight-knit, cohesive unit. And he'll be there with us in the trenches, again, this year.
 
Perhaps my homerism is reaching new heights with our successful off-season. But based on last post-season, our rosters on paper, and all the intangibles that make us us, I feel we are neck-in-neck with Miami Beesh.
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Re: Cs are not far from #1 in East as advertised
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2012, 02:43:49 AM »

Offline lightspeed5

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as advertised where? in a 2x2 inch ad on a jersey?

Re: Cs are not far from #1 in East as advertised
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2012, 02:46:08 AM »

Offline bfrombleacher

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Hush HUSH

Keep it on the down low. Let the fools keep counting the good teams out. Let them keep eating up the media crap about the cHeat and the Thunder and the Lakers being the only teams in the NBA.

Shhh...

...Before they realize it, it'll be BOS vs Whoever in the finals.

Re: Cs are not as far from #1 in East as advertised
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2012, 03:52:17 AM »

Offline arambone

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the locker room should be great again also.

Lots of scorers who can also pass the ball.

Rondo probably wants to show that he is mature and the team leader.

3 more years of elite, championship level basketball.

Only possible because of rondo's super-friendly contract, and kg taking a pay cut as well.

Celtics are built to withstand injuries to any starter cept rondo and still win a title.

Re: Cs are not as far from #1 in East as advertised
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2012, 04:03:49 AM »

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That's good stuff

Re: Cs are not as far from #1 in East as advertised
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2012, 05:27:59 PM »

Offline nostar

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Celtics are built to withstand injuries to any starter cept rondo and still win a title.

Actually Jet would probably be a pretty good starting PG. He wouldn't distribute as well but he'd score effectively enough that we'd just have to re-structure our offense around it. KG would feel less pressure to shoot and Paul would probably play point-forward a little more. AB would step in as backup PG and Paul would slide to the 2 spot more I think.

This is not to say I think we have a shot at #18 without Rondo. I don't think that. I just think we're still a lock for ECSF and a likely ECF team without him.

Additionally serviceable backup PGs are far easier to come by mid-season than good backup wings/centers. The NBA is flooded with SF/PF tweeners and PGs. That is most likely why Scott Machado went undrafted averaging 13/10 with 50% fg and 40% 3pt :( Okay he was in a weak conference but still.

Last thing. I still want Sheed. I know Collins pretty much shuts that door but I love Wallace and want his balding smile back on our bench.

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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2012, 06:14:17 PM »

Offline All Star Matt Clement

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Mark Cuban's accusation against Skip Bayless about sportswriters probably applies to Simmons in this case as well. The media is in LeBrons head!!!!

Re: Cs are not as far from #1 in East as advertised
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2012, 06:21:26 PM »

Offline BudweiserCeltic

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Mark Cuban's accusation against Skip Bayless about sportswriters probably applies to Simmons in this case as well. The media is in LeBrons head!!!!

Problem with Simmons is that it's hard to tell what we should take seriously, what is tongue in cheek, and what's an attempt from him to do one of his famous reverse jinx.

So I just have fun with what he says, and don't give it too much thought.

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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2012, 06:29:38 PM »

Offline WsAllDay

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Bill Simmons is a pretty big Celtics fan so i don't think he's fallen in love with the Heat his assessment isn't that far fetched

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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2012, 12:04:05 AM »

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I don't see logic in Simmons comments. It should be widely acknowledged that Miami is the best team in the NBA. They are the champions and deserve that claim. We know that they have improved somewhat, but the question remains have they improved enough to pull away from a team than ran them to a game 7 in the ECF?

In my opinion, the Celtics had the better off-season and if anything, are closer to the Heat in terms of overall quality than not. Does that mean a repeat ECF 7 game series? No it doesn't.

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2012, 07:03:10 AM »

Offline mctyson

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I don't see the rationale behind Simmon's comment

You spent way to much time writing a post trying to counter Bill Simmons.  If you read his NBA stuff often, you would see that he produces far less Celtics-based content than ever.  He is trying to be an objective analyst of the NBA without letting his superfandom for the Celtics show.  He also does this because he is crazy and believes he has the power to reverse-jinx the team by either a) saying they suck, or b) saying nothing at all about them.

He knows the Celtics gave Miami everything they could handle, and is on record as saying that if we had Avery Bradley that very easily could have been our series.  He is now just pumping them up because of the Ray acquisition, and because Lebron won his ring.