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Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2012, 07:55:56 PM »

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The only way I see Smith coming here and us being able to match the appropriate salary is with a S & T next season including Paul's contract. And the only way I see Paul's contract in play is if we win the title next season and Paul decides he wants to walk out on top. We trade his expiring contract with maybe Sully for a resigned Smith.
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Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2012, 08:40:23 PM »

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Another thing to consider with Smith will be retaining him; he is a free agent after next season.  We have to ask ourselves not only if we can keep him, but what it's going to take. 

His 13 million dollar salary isn't terrible.  But is it going to take even more to keep him? 

I like Smith, but I don't think he's worth max dollars.  And that could be a sticking point moving forward. 

I am quite sure Smith will want at least 15 million and will probably get it from some team.  But then again given everything he does, he is probably worth that, especially for a team like Boston that needs young athletic players that fit with Rondo.  Josh Smith is the perfect compliment to Rondo and yet is still a good fit with KG and Pierce. 

I don't know how great a compliment he is. He is atheletic and can run but other than that how does he compliment Rondo?

I'd say most guys that compliment Rondo well are guys that can shoot the ball. Maybe he compliments Rondo in some aspects but "the perfect compliment"?

J. Smith does some things better than other guys but shooting definitely isn't one of them and when you are playing with a guy like Rondo, taking shooters off the floor could hurt in many aspects

Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2012, 08:27:48 AM »

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Jeff Green will prove to be a better overall player than smith. Plus his contract is much more cap friendly. Josh smith is not worth 13mil to the Celtics or any other team otherwise a trade would have already happened...
Jeff Green is 7 months younger than Josh Smith and has never even come close to a season like Josh Smith's last SIX years in Atlanta.  I like Jeff Green, but he doesn't hold a candle to Josh Smith and that was before he missed an entire season with a heart defect.

Then why hasnt any team in the NBA made a move for him? Atlanta had been shopping him last year. They made it known that he was available. hes not worth it.
Because Atlanta knows how good he is, had him locked up for more than a year, and wasn't selling him for pennies on the dollar.

They want to trade him because they know how good he is? don't quite see your logic there... They are being offered pennies on the dollar because hes good? I don't follow....
No they don't want to trade him, but Smith is going to test free agency and very well might leave them with nohting.
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Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2012, 09:16:20 AM »

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Bass AB Green and picks for smith?! HELL NO! Might as well try to trade for dwight with a package like that! Anyways i like our team and i don't wanna go f'in things up midway through the season. We have more depth now than ever before. Lets run with it ! We already have enough to seriously compete for banner 18 so leave it at that.

Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2012, 09:17:48 AM »

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Also we have to see how AB bounces back. If he comes back playing like he did before he got hurt no way we trade him.

Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2012, 09:25:16 AM »

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Yeah we stay the course unless it looks like we need to switch things up or if there's an injury.

If we are doing fine and the team is playing well J Smith IMO isn't a guy you can bring in that will automatically make you better. There are still concerns with him.

Now if we have an injury or certain players aren't living up to expectations than I can see mixing it up. But Smith isn't a superstar you trade for no matter what.

Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2012, 09:43:15 AM »

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Another thing to consider with Smith will be retaining him; he is a free agent after next season.  We have to ask ourselves not only if we can keep him, but what it's going to take.  

His 13 million dollar salary isn't terrible.  But is it going to take even more to keep him?  

I like Smith, but I don't think he's worth max dollars.  And that could be a sticking point moving forward.  

I am quite sure Smith will want at least 15 million and will probably get it from some team.  But then again given everything he does, he is probably worth that, especially for a team like Boston that needs young athletic players that fit with Rondo.  Josh Smith is the perfect compliment to Rondo and yet is still a good fit with KG and Pierce.  

I don't know how great a compliment he is. He is atheletic and can run but other than that how does he compliment Rondo?

I'd say most guys that compliment Rondo well are guys that can shoot the ball. Maybe he compliments Rondo in some aspects but "the perfect compliment"?

J. Smith does some things better than other guys but shooting definitely isn't one of them and when you are playing with a guy like Rondo, taking shooters off the floor could hurt in many aspects
He is good on the pick and role.  He is an excellent cutter.  Superb around the rim.  He is actually pretty similar to Amare offensively and he was a great fit with Nash (Smith is a bit better off the dribble and outside and not quite as strong down low, but similar to Amare).

I'm not sure where this notion that you can only pair shooters with Rondo came from.  PF's throughout basketball history have rarely been great shooters. 
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Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2012, 09:58:36 AM »

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Another thing to consider with Smith will be retaining him; he is a free agent after next season.  We have to ask ourselves not only if we can keep him, but what it's going to take.  

His 13 million dollar salary isn't terrible.  But is it going to take even more to keep him?  

I like Smith, but I don't think he's worth max dollars.  And that could be a sticking point moving forward.  

I am quite sure Smith will want at least 15 million and will probably get it from some team.  But then again given everything he does, he is probably worth that, especially for a team like Boston that needs young athletic players that fit with Rondo.  Josh Smith is the perfect compliment to Rondo and yet is still a good fit with KG and Pierce.  

I don't know how great a compliment he is. He is atheletic and can run but other than that how does he compliment Rondo?

I'd say most guys that compliment Rondo well are guys that can shoot the ball. Maybe he compliments Rondo in some aspects but "the perfect compliment"?

J. Smith does some things better than other guys but shooting definitely isn't one of them and when you are playing with a guy like Rondo, taking shooters off the floor could hurt in many aspects
He is good on the pick and role.  He is an excellent cutter.  Superb around the rim.  He is actually pretty similar to Amare offensively and he was a great fit with Nash (Smith is a bit better off the dribble and outside and not quite as strong down low, but similar to Amare).

I'm not sure where this notion that you can only pair shooters with Rondo came from.  PF's throughout basketball history have rarely been great shooters. 
 

I think you are really underrating Amare's footwork and mid-range game.  Smith is a great finisher at the basket and an incredible athlete.  He thrives in the open court, but struggles in traffic in the halfcourt. I think Amare is a significantly better pick and roll player (or he was before his body started breaking down).

Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2012, 10:41:51 AM »

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Another thing to consider with Smith will be retaining him; he is a free agent after next season.  We have to ask ourselves not only if we can keep him, but what it's going to take.  

His 13 million dollar salary isn't terrible.  But is it going to take even more to keep him?  

I like Smith, but I don't think he's worth max dollars.  And that could be a sticking point moving forward.  

I am quite sure Smith will want at least 15 million and will probably get it from some team.  But then again given everything he does, he is probably worth that, especially for a team like Boston that needs young athletic players that fit with Rondo.  Josh Smith is the perfect compliment to Rondo and yet is still a good fit with KG and Pierce.  

I don't know how great a compliment he is. He is atheletic and can run but other than that how does he compliment Rondo?

I'd say most guys that compliment Rondo well are guys that can shoot the ball. Maybe he compliments Rondo in some aspects but "the perfect compliment"?

J. Smith does some things better than other guys but shooting definitely isn't one of them and when you are playing with a guy like Rondo, taking shooters off the floor could hurt in many aspects
He is good on the pick and role.  He is an excellent cutter.  Superb around the rim.  He is actually pretty similar to Amare offensively and he was a great fit with Nash (Smith is a bit better off the dribble and outside and not quite as strong down low, but similar to Amare).

I'm not sure where this notion that you can only pair shooters with Rondo came from.  PF's throughout basketball history have rarely been great shooters. 
 

I think you are really underrating Amare's footwork and mid-range game.  Smith is a great finisher at the basket and an incredible athlete.  He thrives in the open court, but struggles in traffic in the halfcourt. I think Amare is a significantly better pick and roll player (or he was before his body started breaking down).
Smith has all of those skills Atlanta just doesn't have the dynamic PG or the offensive structure of a lot of places.  They are a pretty heavy ISO team (like Boston), which is why Smith would fit in with KG and Pierce well, but he also has the skills to be successful in a much different offensive scheme, which is where Boston is headed.
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Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2012, 10:43:54 AM »

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Smith had a very good season for Atlanta last year. I'm not sure what a realistic deal between Boston and Atlanta would look like.
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Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2012, 10:44:10 AM »

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Another thing to consider with Smith will be retaining him; he is a free agent after next season.  We have to ask ourselves not only if we can keep him, but what it's going to take.  

His 13 million dollar salary isn't terrible.  But is it going to take even more to keep him?  

I like Smith, but I don't think he's worth max dollars.  And that could be a sticking point moving forward.  

I am quite sure Smith will want at least 15 million and will probably get it from some team.  But then again given everything he does, he is probably worth that, especially for a team like Boston that needs young athletic players that fit with Rondo.  Josh Smith is the perfect compliment to Rondo and yet is still a good fit with KG and Pierce.  

I don't know how great a compliment he is. He is atheletic and can run but other than that how does he compliment Rondo?

I'd say most guys that compliment Rondo well are guys that can shoot the ball. Maybe he compliments Rondo in some aspects but "the perfect compliment"?

J. Smith does some things better than other guys but shooting definitely isn't one of them and when you are playing with a guy like Rondo, taking shooters off the floor could hurt in many aspects
He is good on the pick and role.  He is an excellent cutter.  Superb around the rim.  He is actually pretty similar to Amare offensively and he was a great fit with Nash (Smith is a bit better off the dribble and outside and not quite as strong down low, but similar to Amare).

I'm not sure where this notion that you can only pair shooters with Rondo came from.  PF's throughout basketball history have rarely been great shooters. 
 

I think you are really underrating Amare's footwork and mid-range game.  Smith is a great finisher at the basket and an incredible athlete.  He thrives in the open court, but struggles in traffic in the halfcourt. I think Amare is a significantly better pick and roll player (or he was before his body started breaking down).
Smith has all of those skills Atlanta just doesn't have the dynamic PG or the offensive structure of a lot of places.  They are a pretty heavy ISO team (like Boston), which is why Smith would fit in with KG and Pierce well, but he also has the skills to be successful in a much different offensive scheme, which is where Boston is headed.
I don't see it.

Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #56 on: July 24, 2012, 11:16:05 AM »

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Another thing to consider with Smith will be retaining him; he is a free agent after next season.  We have to ask ourselves not only if we can keep him, but what it's going to take.  

His 13 million dollar salary isn't terrible.  But is it going to take even more to keep him?  

I like Smith, but I don't think he's worth max dollars.  And that could be a sticking point moving forward.  

I am quite sure Smith will want at least 15 million and will probably get it from some team.  But then again given everything he does, he is probably worth that, especially for a team like Boston that needs young athletic players that fit with Rondo.  Josh Smith is the perfect compliment to Rondo and yet is still a good fit with KG and Pierce.  

I don't know how great a compliment he is. He is atheletic and can run but other than that how does he compliment Rondo?

I'd say most guys that compliment Rondo well are guys that can shoot the ball. Maybe he compliments Rondo in some aspects but "the perfect compliment"?

J. Smith does some things better than other guys but shooting definitely isn't one of them and when you are playing with a guy like Rondo, taking shooters off the floor could hurt in many aspects
He is good on the pick and role.  He is an excellent cutter.  Superb around the rim.  He is actually pretty similar to Amare offensively and he was a great fit with Nash (Smith is a bit better off the dribble and outside and not quite as strong down low, but similar to Amare).

I'm not sure where this notion that you can only pair shooters with Rondo came from.  PF's throughout basketball history have rarely been great shooters. 
 

I think you are really underrating Amare's footwork and mid-range game.  Smith is a great finisher at the basket and an incredible athlete.  He thrives in the open court, but struggles in traffic in the halfcourt. I think Amare is a significantly better pick and roll player (or he was before his body started breaking down).
Smith has all of those skills Atlanta just doesn't have the dynamic PG or the offensive structure of a lot of places.  They are a pretty heavy ISO team (like Boston), which is why Smith would fit in with KG and Pierce well, but he also has the skills to be successful in a much different offensive scheme, which is where Boston is headed.
I don't see it.
Just look at what Wilcox did last year by running with Rondo. Smith would find himself with a lot of opportunities for alley oops with Rondo. The difference is Smith can rebound extremely well and block shots as well as hit a mid range jumper (he can hit the midrange shot it's when he takes long two's that he misses)
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Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2012, 11:33:10 AM »

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It would have to be something involving green and a few draft picks. I'd trade bass, Bradley, filler and a first round pick for smith in a heartbeat

Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #58 on: July 24, 2012, 12:58:40 PM »

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The ONLY trade I would do would be:

Bass,Bradley and future 1sts for Josh Smith

That's fair to both sides in my opinion.
ATL gets a stud at SG and young dependable PF to play next to Horford
Plus draft picks

Boston gets a player that would immediately start at PF next to KG and be a constant alleyoop threat and weak side defender.
A future of Rondo,Lee,Green,Smith, and Sully could be competitive
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Re: Trade deadline: Are we able to get Josh Smith ?
« Reply #59 on: July 24, 2012, 01:05:11 PM »

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Signing Green by DA, means that Cs are not interested on Josh Smith