The Mickael Pietrus update thread

[Snakehead]

I hope the BAE is enough to sign this man.

[kozlodoev]

I think we need MP, Delfino and another big who can be as good as Steamer was when steamer was playing ok. and we need all this because of injuries and the superteams on the horizon: Miami, and LA with Howard. We can match them, or nearly so but unfortunately we do need even more than has already happened this summer.

That's not happening. Pick two of these three.

[BostonArizona]

I'm still not sure if Carlos Delfino at vet min or Mickael Pietrus at BAE is a better value.

[Professor of Rondology]

I mean, the difference between the vet min and the BAE isn't huge by NBA contract standards -- $600k or so, so I don't know what "BAE-worthy" is.  If there's someone they like, and they can offer the BAE while another team can't/won't, it could be enough to sway.

And while I like Wilcox, if someone beats him out for minutes, so be it.  Same goes for Sullinger.  There are certainly minutes to compete for in the center/power forward rotation even when everyone is healthy, much less with the inevitable injuries (which is why I want one more big to begin with.)

The difference (between min and BAE) would keep Peaches from going abroad, hopefully.  
And the inevitable injuries have begun- with Avery Bradley.  We can't use our only asset (the BAE) to guard against future injuries when we already have an injured player and no replacement.
Having more big men to compete with Wilcox and Sully would be awesome, but we don't have the $ or roster spots to do this.

[saltlover]

I mean, the difference between the vet min and the BAE isn't huge by NBA contract standards -- $600k or so, so I don't know what "BAE-worthy" is.  If there's someone they like, and they can offer the BAE while another team can't/won't, it could be enough to sway.

And while I like Wilcox, if someone beats him out for minutes, so be it.  Same goes for Sullinger.  There are certainly minutes to compete for in the center/power forward rotation even when everyone is healthy, much less with the inevitable injuries (which is why I want one more big to begin with.)

The difference (between min and BAE) would keep Peaches from going abroad, hopefully.  
And the inevitable injuries have begun- with Avery Bradley.  We can't use our only asset (the BAE) to guard against future injuries when we already have an injured player and no replacement.
Having more big men to compete with Wilcox and Sully would be awesome, but we don't have the $ or roster spots to do this.

But we can pay Pietrus the non-Bird, instead of the vet min, which is what I've been saying.  That's $1.62 mil, which right in between the $1.35 mil for the vet min, and $1.95 mil for the BAE.

I still think they're trying hard to get Lee, and I personally think that will happen, which would spell the end of Pietrus here.  But if they miss on Lee, I expect MP to be back for the non-Bird, and them to use the BAE for a big, as that's the best allocation of resources.  Doing so would put their roster at 15, assuming that Williams non-guaranteed contract goes away, and Moore stays.

[slamtheking]

I mean, the difference between the vet min and the BAE isn't huge by NBA contract standards -- $600k or so, so I don't know what "BAE-worthy" is.  If there's someone they like, and they can offer the BAE while another team can't/won't, it could be enough to sway.

And while I like Wilcox, if someone beats him out for minutes, so be it.  Same goes for Sullinger.  There are certainly minutes to compete for in the center/power forward rotation even when everyone is healthy, much less with the inevitable injuries (which is why I want one more big to begin with.)

The difference (between min and BAE) would keep Peaches from going abroad, hopefully.  
And the inevitable injuries have begun- with Avery Bradley.  We can't use our only asset (the BAE) to guard against future injuries when we already have an injured player and no replacement.
Having more big men to compete with Wilcox and Sully would be awesome, but we don't have the $ or roster spots to do this.

But we can pay Pietrus the non-Bird, instead of the vet min, which is what I've been saying.  That's $1.62 mil, which right in between the $1.35 mil for the vet min, and $1.95 mil for the BAE.
I still think they're trying hard to get Lee, and I personally think that will happen, which would spell the end of Pietrus here.  But if they miss on Lee, I expect MP to be back for the non-Bird, and them to use the BAE for a big, as that's the best allocation of resources.  Doing so would put their roster at 15, assuming that Williams non-guaranteed contract goes away, and Moore stays.

This is what I think the most likely and reasonable options are.  If Pie takes the raise and we can bring back Steimsma for the BAE, swell.  I'd like to get Lee if possible but it looks like that's a dead end.

[celticinorlando]

i think think the Cs will offer him more than any other team...the full BAE, chance to start for a bit...and him loving the Cs...

[Brendan]

Priority 1: C's need a big that can bang and play D. Maybe OKC will amnesty Perk? He'd be good Center behind KG. (Saying that only in jest... kind of.)

Priority 2: C's need a wing that can start at SG until AB comes back, and then provide a third option at both the SG/SF going forward.

Priority 3: C's need to make a decision about Moore as the "third string" PG (behind Rondo and JET), if they cannot count on him they need to resign Dooling or maybe Daniels for insurance.

If all three done, the team will be:

KG / new center / Melo
Bass / Wilcox / Sullinger / JJJ
Pierce / Green / Joseph
AB / new wing
Rondo / JET / Moore (or Dooling)

With JJJ as fourth PF, it leaves us a little thin at SG, but because the PG depth and SF depth can cover that spot, it's not a big deal. (e.g. JET will play a lot of minutes with Rondo IMO.) This is even more true if you consider JJJ a combo forward and also depth at SF.

I don't expect Melo, JJJ, Joseph, or Moore to play a significant role. I think Sullinger, the new center, and the new wing play platoon role based on the other team. Which means the top 8 guys in the rotation are already signed.

[Professor of Rondology]

But we can pay Pietrus the non-Bird, instead of the vet min, which is what I've been saying.  That's $1.62 mil, which right in between the $1.35 mil for the vet min, and $1.95 mil for the BAE.

I still think they're trying hard to get Lee, and I personally think that will happen, which would spell the end of Pietrus here.  But if they miss on Lee, I expect MP to be back for the non-Bird, and them to use the BAE for a big, as that's the best allocation of resources.  Doing so would put their roster at 15, assuming that Williams non-guaranteed contract goes away, and Moore stays.

I had not been considering the extra $ we could give Pietrus.  If he would take that offer than I would sign him in a heartbeat and (like you said) look to find a big for the BAE.  That would be great.  
The reason I am not keen on using the BAE on a center is that I don't see any names out there that are worth that money AND I assumed we'd need the BAE to get Peaches.  If that second part is incorrect than I suppose I wouldn't mind overpaying a C like Chris Anderson or Darko Milicic. 
Do you know of any Centers that are any good that are still available?  I'll take Anderson/Darko but that doesn't mean I think they're any good.

For the record, I'm assuming Steamer goes to Minny.  If he would take the BAE and MP takes the min (with raise) then we can call it an off-season and get ready to ball already.

[action781]

Pietrus didnt exactly ball out of control last year to deserve more then a vets min contract lol if he askin for too much then pass

Pietrus had two enormous possessions (drawing Lebron's 6th foul and grabbing the two o-boards) that essentially won us game 4 against the Heat.  How many vet min players can you expect such a huge potential contribution from?

And the man was injured.  And he shot terribly this postseason, but he shot 45% and 39% from 3 in his two postseasons prior to this one.  I'd expect him to come back to form and shoot much better from 3 next postseason.  (I mean, nobody expects Ray to shoot 30% from 3 next postseason, right?)  Defense is what you are paying this guy for anyways - the 3's are a bonus.

And he's a great chemistry guy for the team.

I don't understand how people think he isn't "worth" the BAE.  The only reason I wouldn't give him the BAE is because giving it to him is giving him only 300k more than using his bird rights, but giving him that 300k would prevent us from using an entire 1.9M on another player.  

But whatever, I want this guy back at almost whatever possible cost at this point.  He is a celtic.

[Snakehead]

Pietrus didnt exactly ball out of control last year to deserve more then a vets min contract lol if he askin for too much then pass

Pietrus had two enormous possessions (drawing Lebron's 6th foul and grabbing the two o-boards) that essentially won us game 4 against the Heat.  How many vet min players can you expect such a huge potential contribution from?

And the man was injured.  And he shot terribly this postseason, but he shot 45% and 39% from 3 in his two postseasons prior to this one.  I'd expect him to come back to form and shoot much better from 3 next postseason.  (I mean, nobody expects Ray to shoot 30% from 3 next postseason, right?)  Defense is what you are paying this guy for anyways - the 3's are a bonus.

And he's a great chemistry guy for the team.

I don't understand how people think he isn't "worth" the BAE.  The only reason I wouldn't give him the BAE is because giving it to him is giving him only 300k more than using his bird rights, but giving him that 300k would prevent us from using an entire 1.9M on another player.  

But whatever, I want this guy back at almost whatever possible cost at this point.  He is a celtic.

Agreed.

People have a really funny idea of what you should get for the vet min.  It's the MINIMUM.  He's a steal for that and really deserves $4 mill per or so.  For the BAE he's still a good deal.

[Interceptor]

Priority 1: C's need a big that can bang and play D. Maybe OKC will amnesty Perk? He'd be good Center behind KG. (Saying that only in jest... kind of.)

You owe me a new keyboard.

[relja]

I think a lot of people here don't know what they're talking about.

Resigning Sasha, Dooling or Quisy is a waste of ink, money and roster places.. Signing Dooling for insurance? Really? Moore can only get better and he is.. You give arguments like Dooling is a good guy and can hit a three once in a while.. We don't need "once in a while", we need that all the time.. Sasha, Dooling and Quisy are washed up and will only cause us to break our keyboards and be nervous..

And half of people here who are chasing Courtney Lee didn't know who he was.. Pietrus is the best solution, he's big, in shape, a great defender and can play, [dang] it.. Plus, he is eager to come back..

[Lucky17]

I think a lot of people here don't know what they're talking about.

Always a good way to start a response.

Signing Dooling for insurance? Really? Moore can only get better and he is.. You give arguments like Dooling is a good guy and can hit a three once in a while.. We don't need "once in a while", we need that all the time..

Shooting percentages last year:
E'Twaun Moore: FG% .381   3PT% .378
Keyon Dooling: FG% .405   3PT% .333

From a shooting perspective, I don't think there's a whole lot separating Moore from Dooling.

[CelticSooner]

I think a lot of people here don't know what they're talking about.

Resigning Sasha, Dooling or Quisy is a waste of ink, money and roster places.. Signing Dooling for insurance? Really? Moore can only get better and he is.. You give arguments like Dooling is a good guy and can hit a three once in a while.. We don't need "once in a while", we need that all the time.. Sasha, Dooling and Quisy are washed up and will only cause us to break our keyboards and be nervous..

And half of people here who are chasing Courtney Lee didn't know who he was.. Pietrus is the best solution, he's big, in shape, a great defender and can play, [dang] it.. Plus, he is eager to come back..

I'd love to see Peaches back. If I had to choose between the two I would go with Lee though. Younger and no knee problems.