Could Greg Stiemsma be S&T'd to the Wolves?

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Can't seem to find clarification on this in Larry Coon's FAQ -- could the Cs sign Stiemsmer, package him with, say, JJJ and our two unguaranteed contracts, and trade him to the Wolves, for Ridnour or Wesley Johnson, for example? What's the max Greg could get paid in that scenario, and would it count against the Cs $1.7mil exception?

Any clarification and / or feedback on this would be appreciated...

[saltlover]

Can't seem to find clarification on this in Larry Coon's FAQ -- could the Cs sign Stiemsmer, package him with, say, JJJ and our two unguaranteed contracts, and trade him to the Wolves, for Ridnour or Wesley Johnson, for example? What's the max Greg could get paid in that scenario, and would it count against the Cs $1.7mil exception?

Any clarification and / or feedback on this would be appreciated...

I mean, he technically could, I think, but at money around the qualifying offer of $1 mil, as a three year deal, so why would any of the parties involved do that?  Minny's willing to give him somewhere in the neighborhood of $3 mil.

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Can't seem to find clarification on this in Larry Coon's FAQ -- could the Cs sign Stiemsmer, package him with, say, JJJ and our two unguaranteed contracts, and trade him to the Wolves, for Ridnour or Wesley Johnson, for example? What's the max Greg could get paid in that scenario, and would it count against the Cs $1.7mil exception?

Any clarification and / or feedback on this would be appreciated...

I mean, he technically could, I think, but at money around the qualifying offer of $1 mil, as a three year deal, so why would any of the parties involved do that?  Minny's willing to give him somewhere in the neighborhood of $3 mil.

if indeed the $$$ per year would need to be that low, agreed it doesn't make sense. I guess I was wondering he he could be paid more.

i ask about johnson and ridnour because i'd wager strongly that neither is on the wolves after the trading dealine this year.

[saltlover]

Can't seem to find clarification on this in Larry Coon's FAQ -- could the Cs sign Stiemsmer, package him with, say, JJJ and our two unguaranteed contracts, and trade him to the Wolves, for Ridnour or Wesley Johnson, for example? What's the max Greg could get paid in that scenario, and would it count against the Cs $1.7mil exception?

Any clarification and / or feedback on this would be appreciated...

I mean, he technically could, I think, but at money around the qualifying offer of $1 mil, as a three year deal, so why would any of the parties involved do that?  Minny's willing to give him somewhere in the neighborhood of $3 mil.

if indeed the $$$ per year would need to be that low, agreed it doesn't make sense. I guess I was wondering he he could be paid more.

i ask about johnson and ridnour because i'd wager strongly that neither is on the wolves after the trading dealine this year.

In order to S&T Stiemsma, we'd need to be able to fit his contract in under our current cap room (which we have none of) or use a valid exception.  S&T deals need to be for at least three years, so his qualifying offer doesn't count, since it's for one year, nor does the BAE, since that's a max of two years.  The only exception we could use would be to sign him to a non-Bird contract, which is 120% of his last year salary, at about $915k.  Accordingly, there is no realistic way to S&T him.

[Lioney]

''Looks like we lose Stimesma.

Get Randolph.

Stiemsma to Wolves, Randolph to Celtics(S&T).

He is better premetier shooter than JJJ. Same age with JJJ. He can play PF and C. He can take charge and block shoots and very good rebounder.  But I want to use him as a SF. He is tall and very good athlete and he is young.

We can use him to defend Lebron(and Durant) on the low-post.

Injury pronoun still a problem but we have Pierce and Green already. Joseph looks like promising role player but I want to use him as a SG(Also I want to use Moore as a PG and get some size to every positions).

Get him and finally end of 'Why we didn't pick Perry Jones' saga and 'Any Chance to JJJ to play SF' saga ''

I was planning to write this thought yesterday but its too late Because he went to Denver. In this summer this is the second move that hurts me as a celtics fan. The other one (Johnson to Kings -only for a second round pick-).

Now there are rumors about Austin Day.  Pistons thinking of trading him because of Ben Wallace(to open up a roster spot).

He doesn't have defensive capability as much as Randolph or Johnson does but he is an excellent shooter and because of his height and huge wingspan, he is an excellent shot blocker. His ability to shoot from long range would create a lot of spaces for our cutters and quick legs . Rondo can give him a lot of opportunities to make easy shoots. His strength is not enough to defend Lebron on the low-post but his long arms and block ability would always be threat. I think his strength enough for Durant.

Anyway. If Doc and Danny believe the kid can improve his defensive ability, I want him a heartbeat.

I think future second round pick is enough to get him.

[European NBA fan]

As saltlover already has stated, there is no realistic way to sign and trade Stiemsma. The limitations in a sign and trade are even harsher than in a normal signing. We would be better of just signing him for the BAE, if he would accept that.

[guava_wrench]

If we could S&T Stiemsma, then why wouldn't we  just sign him and keep him instead?

The whole point with the Wolves is that they can pay him more than we can.

[Lucky17]

GW has it right.

[European NBA fan]

If we could S&T Stiemsma, then why wouldn't we  just sign him and keep him instead?

The whole point with the Wolves is that they can pay him more than we can.

That was also the point of my post 

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If we could S&T Stiemsma, then why wouldn't we  just sign him and keep him instead?

The whole point with the Wolves is that they can pay him more than we can.

don't follow. teams sign and trade players in order to get assets back for them when they don't wish to keep that individual for the money they'll get paid.

why did the Cs sign and trade Baby to Orlando? because they didn't want to keep him, and liked a player that was expendable on the other side of the table.

the guys i mentioned are expendable in Minny. of course all of this is moot because the s&t won't work anyway.

[Lucky17]

If we could S&T Stiemsma, then why wouldn't we  just sign him and keep him instead?

The whole point with the Wolves is that they can pay him more than we can.

don't follow. teams sign and trade players in order to get assets back for them when they don't wish to keep that individual for the money they'll get paid.

why did the Cs sign and trade Baby to Orlando? because they didn't want to keep him, and liked a player that was expendable on the other side of the table.

the guys i mentioned are expendable in Minny. of course all of this is moot because the s&t won't work anyway.

Minnesota can simply outbid the Celtics for Stiemsma's services.

Why would Stiemsma agree to take less money so he could be signed-and-traded?

[European NBA fan]

If we could S&T Stiemsma, then why wouldn't we  just sign him and keep him instead?

The whole point with the Wolves is that they can pay him more than we can.

don't follow. teams sign and trade players in order to get assets back for them when they don't wish to keep that individual for the money they'll get paid.

why did the Cs sign and trade Baby to Orlando? because they didn't want to keep him, and liked a player that was expendable on the other side of the table.

the guys i mentioned are expendable in Minny. of course all of this is moot because the s&t won't work anyway.

Minnesota can simply outbid the Celtics for Stiemsma's services.

Why would Stiemsma agree to take less money so he could be signed-and-traded?

And both the Celtics and Stiemsma would prefer him to stay here, all other things being equal.

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i think my point is largely being missed, but i got the answer to my question, so thanks...

[Lucky17]

S&T deals need to be for at least three years, so his qualifying offer doesn't count, since it's for one year, nor does the BAE, since that's a max of two years.

I went to the Coon CBA FAQ, and confirmed this. Learn something new everyday. TP.

[AshyLarry]

''Looks like we lose Stimesma.

Get Randolph.

Stiemsma to Wolves, Randolph to Celtics(S&T).

He is better premetier shooter than JJJ. Same age with JJJ. He can play PF and C. He can take charge and block shoots and very good rebounder.  But I want to use him as a SF. He is tall and very good athlete and he is young.

We can use him to defend Lebron(and Durant) on the low-post.

Injury pronoun still a problem but we have Pierce and Green already. Joseph looks like promising role player but I want to use him as a SG(Also I want to use Moore as a PG and get some size to every positions).

Get him and finally end of 'Why we didn't pick Perry Jones' saga and 'Any Chance to JJJ to play SF' saga ''

I was planning to write this thought yesterday but its too late Because he went to Denver. In this summer this is the second move that hurts me as a celtics fan. The other one (Johnson to Kings -only for a second round pick-).

Now there are rumors about Austin Day.  Pistons thinking of trading him because of Ben Wallace(to open up a roster spot).

He doesn't have defensive capability as much as Randolph or Johnson does but he is an excellent shooter and because of his height and huge wingspan, he is an excellent shot blocker. His ability to shoot from long range would create a lot of spaces for our cutters and quick legs . Rondo can give him a lot of opportunities to make easy shoots. His strength is not enough to defend Lebron on the low-post but his long arms and block ability would always be threat. I think his strength enough for Durant.

Anyway. If Doc and Danny believe the kid can improve his defensive ability, I want him a heartbeat.

I think future second round pick is enough to get him.

Randolph went to the Nugs I'm pretty sure. Wouldn't want him anyway.